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[acptulsa]

Logic wins the day.

Generally. Got some?

 

[CCTelander]

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Trespassing?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Let’s take this by the numbers, shall we?

Most “liberty advocates/activists” I’ve ever known agree that the federal government has no legitimate claim to the control/possession/ownership of the vast tracts of non-privately owned land, especially out west, that it claims to own.

If the fedgov doesn’t legitimately own it, then there simply can’t be any legitimate claim on the part of subjects/citizen of that government to any kind of ownership stake in that land.

If the subjects/citizens have no legitimate ownership claim, then they are not in any way entitled to the protection of laws against trespassing. That would be like me accusing someone of trespassing for walking across the empty lot down the street, when I don’t own that lot.

The trespassing argument is, in legal/moral terms, “frivolous and without merit.”

To quote a wise statement I saw made by someone else, “logic wins the day.”

Next?

 

[TheTexan]

Like I said, Trump is doing everything but. How about doing the simplest and cheapest thing while he has the momentum. Everything is a choice.

I'm sick of footing the bill whether they're coming or going.

As AF is fond of saying, everything is downstream of culture.

economy, prosperity, security, all of it is the result of culture.

And we are witnessing the  rapid destruction of our culture.

Historically, when a culture was destroyed, it was replaced, with whatever culture they were conquered by. For better or worse they still had a culture.

Our culture is just being  eroded. To zero. Faster than ever historically possible.

Without culture, society ceases to function. Everything breaks down. Big government is the result of trying to keep everything functioning.

Modern technology has brought the world into an unfortunate new Era of unprecedented immigration and political and cultural integration.

It is not possible to overstate the significance of the choices we makes as humans over the following decades.

It is entirely possible we will see the global annihilation of culture as a concept. That path could end in an anarchist utopia but more likely it would end I'm outright Globalist tyranny.

The preferred outcome is that we protect and keep our cultures and continue to progress and evolve as we gave for 1000s of years.

But to do that, we have to Send. Them. BACK!

 

[acptulsa]

Our culture is just being  eroded. To zero. Faster than ever historically possible.

Aliens are the gun, not the shooter. Soros and Miriam Adelson and Peter Thiel are the kind of people who deserve no due process.

 

[PAF]

As AF is fond of saying, everything is downstream of culture.

economy, prosperity, security, all of it is the result of culture.

And we are witnessing the  rapid destruction of our culture.

Historically, when a culture was destroyed, it was replaced, with whatever culture they were conquered by. For better or worse they still had a culture.

Our culture is just being  eroded. To zero. Faster than ever historically possible.

Without culture, society ceases to function. Everything breaks down. Big government is the result of trying to keep everything functioning.

Modern technology has brought the world into an unfortunate new Era of unprecedented immigration and political and cultural integration.

It is not possible to understate the significance of the choices we makes as humans over the following decades.

It is entirely possible we will see the global annihilation of culture as a concept. That path could end in an anarchist utopia but more likely it would end I'm outright Globalist tyranny.

The preferred outcome is that we protect and keep our cultures and continue to progress and evolve as we gave for 1000s of years.

But to do that, we have to Send. Them. BACK!

The ptb goal is to implement a technocratic society where every man, woman and child is tracked and traced, and eventually controlled by Neuralink/AI.

They are using this supposed/manufactured "culture war / border war" to advance their agenda, knowing that folks like you and AF will buy into it. With the information that is out there, as well as their publicly stated goal, if you ignore it, and/or play along with it, you are complicit. I would urge you to look at the bigger picture, perhaps follow the money, before falling prey to them.

 

[TheTexan]

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Trespassing?

ROTFLMAO!!!

Let’s take this by the numbers, shall we?

Most “liberty advocates/activists” I’ve ever known agree that the federal government has no legitimate claim to the control/possession/ownership of the vast tracts of non-privately owned land, especially out west, that it claims to own.

If the fedgov doesn’t legitimately own it, then there simply can’t be any legitimate claim on the part of subjects/citizen of that government to any kind of ownership stake in that land.

If the subjects/citizens have no legitimate ownership claim, then they are not in any way entitled to the protection of laws against trespassing. That would be like me accusing someone of trespassing for walking across the empty lot down the street, when I don’t own that lot.

The trespassing argument is, in legal/moral terms, “frivolous and without merit.”

To quote a wise statement I saw made by someone else, “logic wins the day.”

Next?

The legitimacy of a nation can be measured by the percentage of people who want to secede from it.

And for better or worse, this country is mostly legitimate by that measure.

The vast majority of this country are voluntary members of its jurisdiction.

They have a legitimate right to run this country the way they see fit.

What they don't have a right to do, is to prevent you from seceding.

Their violation of your right to secede, does not somehow magically give you the right to dictate how they govern their property.

You have a right to secede from them, and you have a right to take whatever military actions needed to secure that secession, but you don't have a right to dictate the policies they can and cannot set within their jurisdiction. For that would make you no better than they are.

Again, logic wins the day.

 

[acptulsa]

...but you don't have a right to dictate the policies they can and cannot set within their jurisdiction. For that would make you no better than they are.

In other words, they have no right.

 

[TheTexan]

The ptb goal is to implement a technocratic society where every man, woman and child is tracked and traced, and eventually controlled by Neuralink/AI.

They are using this supposed/manufactured "culture war / border war" to advance their agenda, knowing that folks like you and AF will buy into it. With the information that is out there, as well as their publicly stated goal, if you ignore it, and/or play along with it, you are complicit. I would urge you to look at the bigger picture, perhaps follow the money, before falling prey to them.

The destruction of culture is not some propaganda lie.

It's obvious both in observation and in logical conclusion.

While I share your concerns about technology, those issues can only be exacerbated by the previously mentioned destruction of culture.

 

[TheTexan]

In other words, they have no right.

If by "they" you mean CC and yourself then yes effectively you have no rights. And neither do I really.

We are slaves owned and operated by the voluntary majority.

if you don't like it I encourage you genuinely to do something about it

 

[CCTelander]

The legitimacy of a nation can be measured by the percentage of people who want to secede from it.

And for better or worse, this country is mostly legitimate by that measure.

The vast majority of this country are voluntary members of its jurisdiction.

They have a legitimate right to run this country the way they see fit.

What they don't have a right to do, is to prevent you from seceding.

Their violation of your right to secede, does not somehow magically give you the right to dictate how they govern their property.

You have a right to secede from them, and you have a right to take whatever military actions needed to secure that secession, but you don't have a right to dictate the policies they can and cannot set within their jurisdiction. For that would make you no better than they are.

Again, logic wins the day.

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You’re making a subjective argument against an objective truth.

You’re also rationalizing and justifying tyrannical acts, like “majority rule” and the denial of my rights, simply on the bases of “because that’s the way it is,” and twisting logic and morality into unrecognizable shapes by attempting to convert the victims of those tyrannical acts, such as myself, into the aggressors via your ludicrous accusation of their attempting to “dictate the policies…”

Logic and morality fail.

 

[CCTelander]

If by "they" you mean CC and yourself then yes effectively you have no rights. And neither do I really.

We are slaves owned and operated by the voluntary majority.

if you don't like it I encourage you genuinely to do something about it

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In other words, tyranny is fine because “it is what it is.”

Oooookaaaay.

 

[PAF]

The destruction of culture is not some propaganda lie.

It's obvious both in observation and in logical conclusion.

While I share your concerns about technology, those issues can only be exacerbated by the previously mentioned destruction of culture.

To the contrary, it will be the eradication of the Bill of Rights and endless spending, in favor of the technocratic global police-state. If white-only culture means so much to you, you are free to join or form a small-cell or other community of your choosing.

 

[acptulsa]

We are slaves owned and operated by the voluntary majority.

And you want to be the "voluntary majority", or at least bend or seduce it to your will?

First, this is theoretical bullshit because the representative government is corrupt and the elections are illegitimate.

Second, the very premise of the Republic is that majorities don't get such "rights".

Therefore, you're saying the majority is right to say I have to let evil forces enslave me because they'd rather be enslaved than think. Well, give them your blessing, then. But stop wasting your breath trying to get me to.

 

[TheTexan]

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You’re making a subjective argument against an objective truth.

I would ask what this objective truth is that you speak if, but there's no such thing as an objective truth.

You’re also rationalizing and justifying tyrannical acts, like “majority rule” and the denial of my rights, simply on the bases of “because that’s the way it is,”

It's not on the basis of "because that's the way it is."

It's on the basis of their own rights.

They have a right to form a nation, and they have a right to set rules on how that nation is governed.

You have absolutely zero right to deny them that.

You are foolish for trying to deny them their rights while whining about how they are denying your rights.

You have a right to secede. That's it. Full stop.

You don't have a right to tell them how to govern their nation.

If you want your rights protected then you should focus on the only one that matters: your right to secede.

and twisting logic and morality into unrecognizable shapes by attempting to convert the victims of those tyrannical acts, such as myself, into the aggressors via your ludicrous accusation of their attempting to “dictate the policies…”

Logic and morality fail.

You simultaneously whine about "muh rights" while actively seeking to deny the rights of others. Pure hypocrisy.

The solution, as always, is secession. Whining about muh rights, is counterproductive, useless, and frankly, pathetic.

 

[TheTexan]

And you want to be the "voluntary majority", or at least bend or seduce it to your will?

First, this is theoretical bullshit because the representative government is corrupt and the elections are illegitimate.

Second, the very premise of the Republic is that majorities don't get such "rights".

Ok then do something about it.

Therefore, you're saying the majority is right to say I have to let evil forces enslave me because they'd rather be enslaved than think. Well, give them your blessing, then. But stop wasting your breath trying to get me to.

That's the opposite of what I've said. You don't have to let evil forces enslave you.

But the only way to do that is to secede or conquer.

Whining about muh rights ain't gonna get you nowhere.

 

[CCTelander]

I would ask what this objective truth is that you speak if, but there's no such thing as an objective truth.



It's not on the basis of "because that's the way it is."

It's on the basis of their own rights.

They have a right to form a nation, and they have a right to set rules on how that nation is governed.

You have absolutely zero right to deny them that.

You are foolish for trying to deny them their rights while whining about how they are denying your rights.

You have a right to secede. That's it. Full stop.

You don't have a right to tell them how to govern their nation.

If you want your rights protected then you should focus on the only one that matters: your right to secede.



You simultaneously whine about "muh rights" while actively seeking to deny the rights of others. Pure hypocrisy.

The solution, as always, is secession. Whining about muh rights, is counterproductive, useless, and frankly, pathetic.

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So, you’re a total relativist and subjectivist, as well as a collectivist.

Understood.

It just means there’s absolutely no point in attempting to discuss or debate anything with you. There’s no common ground, and you will just do as you’ve done before. Even in the face of unassailable logic you’ll just redefine terms, and twist logic, reason and morality to fit your own preconceived ideas, regardless of the damage that causes.

Just be advised, you way has been tried many times throughout history and it always leads to the same outcomes: tyranny, oppression and mountains of corpses.

My way, on the other hab
Nd, as imperfect as it may be, at least offers the chance of something better.

Your choice.

 

[TheTexan]

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So, you’re a total relativist and subjectivist, as well as a collectivist.

You and your labels LOL. Whatever.

Understood.

It just means there’s absolutely no point in attempting to discuss or debate anything with you. There’s no common ground, and you will just do as you’ve done before. Even in the face of unassailable logic you’ll just redefine terms, and twist logic, reason and morality to fit your own preconceived ideas, regardless of the damage that causes.

Likewise!

Just be advised, you way has been tried many times throughout history and it always leads to the same outcomes: tyranny, oppression and mountains of corpses.

Secession has been tried before and it always leads to the outcomes of tyranny and oppression?

Okay.

My way, on the other hab
Nd, as imperfect as it may be, at least offers the chance of something better.

Your choice.

Your way, of acquiring rights by denying the rights of others? Pretty sure that's what got us here.

 

[TheTexan]

To the contrary, it will be the eradication of the Bill of Rights and endless spending, in favor of the technocratic global police-state. If white-only culture means so much to you,

White color skin is still a very strong indicator of western european culture.

So, to be clear, while I am 100% a racist and would prefer that everyone in my country be white color skin for purely aesthetic reasons because white is beautiful, that's not what's currently important. The culture is what is important, and it just happens that being white has a strong correlation with that culture.

Just to clarify my racism LOL

you are free to join or form a small-cell or other community of your choosing.

Honestly I am keeping my eye out of for such opportunities. Let me know if you see any

 

[CCTelander]

You and your labels LOL. Whatever.

If it walks like a duck…

Likewise!



Secession has been tried before and it always leads to the outcomes of tyranny and oppression?

Okay.

Secession, without a solid, clearly defined and well-developed philosophical underpinning can only result in disaster. That’s a philosophical underpinning you seem to lack.

For example, you claim that secession is the only “right” one has.

And yet, for your precious right to secession to even exist at all, it must grow out of a right to self-ownership. Either you own yourself, or someone else owns you. If someone else owns you, then you have no right to secede. Simple, unassailable logic.

Further, if you do own yourself, then you also must have a myriad of other rights relating to maintaining and defending your “self.”

So, your philosophy of secession being the ONLY right is fatally flawed.

You can secede all you want. But without a solid, clearly defined and well-developed philosophy to base any resulting society on, it’s doomed to collapse in flames and violence.

If you continue to make nonsensical claims like secession is the only right, your philosophical ideas need a bit more development.

Your way, of acquiring rights by denying the rights of others? Pretty sure that's what got us here.

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Not denying anyone else’s rights by demanding that they, and you, leave me the fuck alone to conduct my affairs as I see fit, including associating with whomever the hell I like, trading with whomever I see fit, and just generally living in peace with my neighbors. You’re the one who repeatedly argues in favor of MY rights being violated by the almighty collective. That would be the majority on whose behalf you keep claiming victim status against me because I demand they leave me the fuck alone.

Now go ahead buddy. Claim the win.

Personally, I’m about fed up with those claiming to be allies in the cause of liberty being a greater danger to me and mine than liberty’s mortal enemies.

 

[CCTelander]

Dupe