Uphold the Constitution of the United States - Don't Know

[TheTexan]

Everybody is owed justice, which includes not being punished unjustly. And one reason due process is necessary is so as not to punish people who are innocent of what they're accused of. If there is some category of charge that doesn't require due process, then that means that none of us are owed due process. If the regime wants to bypass due process and deport or imprison us, or for that matter have us killed or anything else, all they have to do is charge us with that special charge and punish us for it without proving our guilt.

That's not a very strong argument in the case of deportation. First off, mistakes are very rarely made because most cases have a huge paper trail that make it obvious they aren't a citizen.

Second, in the event that a mistake is made, they probably will still be an ethnic foreigner in which case I don't care.

Third, in the extremely rare event that a white citizen is deported, worst case is they are mildly inconvenienced and they come back in after gathering the necessary documents.

This idea that I'm giving up my rights in any way by not giving illegals any rights, holds no sway for me.

Send them back!!!! And fuck their due process

 

[acptulsa]

Third, in the extremely rare event that a white citizen is deported, worst case is they are mildly inconvenienced and they come back in after gathering the necessary documents.

Step 1: Remove them from the country which contains all their documents.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: They show their papers.

Step 4: They come home.

 

[Invisible Man]

Second, in the event that a mistake is made, they probably will still be an ethnic foreigner in which case I don't care.

This is ultimately what it comes down to. To your credit, you admit it.

 

[TheTexan]

Step 1: Remove them from the country which contains all their documents.

Step 2: ???

Step 3: They show their papers.

Step 4: They come home.

People lose their documents abroad all the time and they manage somehow to get back in. Like I said, mildly inconvenienced.

Don't be an idiot lol

 

[Invisible Man]

People lose their documents abroad all the time and they manage somehow to get back in. Like I said, mildly inconvenienced.

As they should. In fact, they should be able to get back in without even being asked to show papers.

 

[acptulsa]

Like I said, mildly inconvenienced.

Meaning I have to pay for them to be kidnapped, shipped far away (possibly overseas), and shipped back.

Or is it on me to pay my fare back after some asshole ICEs me?

Fuck you. Doublecheck first, ship out slightly later.

 

[TheTexan]

As they should. In fact, they should be able to get back in without even being asked to show papers.

yea let's just make all trespass legal. Let's just make murder legal while we're at it.

Laws are a violation of muh rights

 

[acptulsa]

Laws are a violation of muh rights

Most are. They get away with passing those particular ones because of attitudes just like yours.

 

[TheTexan]

Meaning I have to pay for them to be kidnapped, shipped far away (possibly overseas), and shipped back.

Fuck you. Doublecheck first, ship out slightly later.

another weak argument.

First off, you're having to pay already just to keep them here. It's cheaper to send them back.

Second, fuck you. Send them back!

 

[TheTexan]

Most are. They get away with passing those particular ones because of attitudes just like yours.

let me get this right. They pass bad laws because I think trespassing should be illegal.

and the solution to that is to make trespassing legal?

How the fuck is that supposed to help

 

[acptulsa]

let me get this right. They pass bad laws because I think trespassing should be illegal.

Fail.

They pass bad laws because y'all think morality isn't expedient.

 

[TheTexan]

Fail.

They pass bad laws because y'all think morality isn't expedient.

If someone breaks into my house they are getting ventilated.

we're giving these trespassers a bus ticket out of town.

My conscience is clear

 

[acptulsa]

If someone breaks into my house they are getting ventilated.

If it's fam who lost the key you'll have regrets. Might take a second to be sure your target is, in fact, a target.

 

[TheTexan]

If it's fam who lost the key you'll have regrets. Might take a second to be sure your target is, in fact, a target.

you don't know my fam then

 

[PAF]

another weak argument.

First off, you're having to pay already just to keep them here. It's cheaper to send them back.

Second, fuck you. Send them back!

With all these hoops and unconstitutional measure Trump is taking, this could be solved without government intervention:

1. Stop requiring "legal" status. It's only purpose is to extort, both in paying taxes and drawing from the system.

2. Stop all form of payment, assistance, any/all incentives.

3. Leave the immigrants alone [since according to Trump and the only truthful thing he said; we have a declining population], and let them find work to support themselves. If they can't, they are on their own.

I don't need to pay for them to be here, or go back to wherever. Now that they are here, let them work, or go someplace else - on their own dime, not mine.

 

[TheTexan]

With all these hoops and unconstitutional measure Trump is taking, this could be solved without government intervention:

1. Stop requiring "legal" status. It's only purpose is to extort, both in paying taxes and drawing from the system.

2. Stop all form of payment, assistance, any/all incentives.

3. Leave the immigrants alone [since according to Trump and the only truthful thing he said; we have a declining population], and let them find work to support themselves. If they can't, they are on their own.

I don't need to pay for them to be here, or go back to wherever. Now that they are here, let them work, or go someplace else - on their own dime, not mine.

If the choice was between either 1) no borders and no taxes, or 2) borders and huge megastate,

Then yes I'd go with #1.

But that's not the choice we have.

I may have strawmanned your post by skimming too quickly.

 

[acptulsa]

you don't know my fam then

You don't either. You don't know all your third cousins twice removed, and you don't know the Family if American Citizens either.

Therefore, your analogy just fell on its ass.

 

[PAF]

If the choice was between either 1) no borders and no taxes, or 2) borders and huge megastate,

Then yes I'd go with #1.

But that's not the choice we have.

Like I said, Trump is doing everything but. How about doing the simplest and cheapest thing while he has the momentum. Everything is a choice.

I'm sick of footing the bill whether they're coming or going.

 

[TheTexan]

You don't either. You don't know all your third cousins twice removed, and you don't know the Family if American Citizens either.

Therefore, your analogy just fell on its ass.

Nah you've already admitted that 2 seconds is enough due process to take a trespassers life.

2 seconds is more than enough then to deport them.

Logic wins the day.

 

[acptulsa]

Like I said, Trump is doing everything but. How about doing the simplest and cheapest thing while he has the momentum. Everything is a choice.

Because he gets kickbacks campaign contributions from the prison work-release slave labor racket, and because he figures gentrifying the Alcatraz neighborhood will make everyone associate him with Clint Eastwood.