Uphold the Constitution of the United States - Don't Know

[CCTelander]

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Just because a thing can be done doesn’t mean it should be done.

 

[nikcers]

A president's power technically isn't constrained by what the constitution says they can do but what the constitution says they can't do. Which means it's not limitless.

There technically can't be a constitutional contradiction in the power of the government that cancels out the president. That's just a false interpretation of the constitution.

He should do what the people elected him to do. That's a feature of the type of government we have.

When we don't like something in our government we have the power to change it. What good is having the type of government we have if we can't?

Are we a managed democracy?

managed democracy, is a formally democratic government that functions as a de facto authoritarian government or, in some cases, as an autocratic government.

Such hybrid regimes are legitimized by elections, but do not change the state's policies, motives, and goals.

In a guided democracy, the government controls elections such that the people can exercise democratic rights without truly changing public policy.

While they follow basic democratic principles, there can be major deviations towards authoritarianism. Under managed democracy, the state's continuous use of propaganda techniques, such as through manufacturing consent, prevents the electorate from having a significant impact on policy.

 

[TheTexan]

Well, it's not. And I don't want it suspended. So there.

Your preference has been noted!

*throws it in the bin*

 

[Swordsmyth]

Deportations do not deprive you of of life, liberty, or property.

Nor do invaders have any of the rights of citizens or legal visitors.
Invaders are not "the people".

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sorry, but an "illegal" is still a person. If they are in the U.S. any person is within the jurisdiction. Places legally controlled by the U.S. would also apply (terroritories, military bases, embassies, etc.)

If for instance, a non-citizen came into an embassy, you can't just rob them.

They are not subject to our jurisdiction, they are subjects of foreign powers and the illegals have specifically refused to be subject to our laws.

 

[wizardwatson]

They are not subject to our jurisdiction, they are subjects of foreign powers and the illegals have specifically refused to be subject to our laws.

You're going to ignore the plain accepted meaning of words?

I'm shocked.

Absolutely flabergasted.

 

[acptulsa]

You're going to ignore the plain accepted meaning of words?

Isn't that just like a liberal?

 

[wizardwatson]

Isn't that just like a liberal?

As a parent of five kids, it's funny to watch children learn to bend words and lie before they can even form full memories, and then see adults who never had the discipline and teaching necessary to mature beyond this prance about like they are ninja-gangsters who found some secret weapon to lead them through life.

No matter how many times these children trip over their shoelaces it's always, "I meant to do that."

Lying is the gateway sin. If you sanctify lying you will never escape the devil.

 

[Invisible Man]

Due process just means literally the amount of process which is owed.

So for illegals due process means 0 process because we don't owe them anything.

I'm happy to give them the process they are due. Which is 0

Everybody is owed justice, which includes not being punished unjustly. And one reason due process is necessary is so as not to punish people who are innocent of what they're accused of. If there is some category of charge that doesn't require due process, then that means that none of us are owed due process. If the regime wants to bypass due process and deport or imprison us, or for that matter have us killed or anything else, all they have to do is charge us with that special charge and punish us for it without proving our guilt.

 

[nikcers]

Everybody is owed justice, which includes not being punished unjustly. And one reason due process is necessary is so as not to punish people who are innocent of what they're accused of. If there is some category of charge that doesn't require due process, then that means that none of us are owed due process. If the regime wants to bypass due process and deport or imprison us, or for that matter have us killed or anything else, all they have to do is charge us with that special charge and punish us for it without proving our guilt.

The president derives their power from the people.

Certainly the president could classify groups of people as enemies of the state.

In fact the president has had to do it. They did it in the civil war when certain groups of people went to war against the people of the United States.

So that's a president's power.

The Supreme Court confirmed that is a constitutional power of the president in the prize case.

Trump isn't using that power unjustly. So there isn't a rational reason to oppose it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Everybody is owed justice, which includes not being punished unjustly. And one reason due process is necessary is so as not to punish people who are innocent of what they're accused of. If there is some category of charge that doesn't require due process, then that means that none of us are owed due process. If the regime wants to bypass due process and deport or imprison us, or for that matter have us killed or anything else, all they have to do is charge us with that special charge and punish us for it without proving our guilt.

If 40 million foreign troops stormed the border with tanks, and artillery and air support, we would be required to give a judicial hearing and due process to every soldier prior to shooting at them?

 

[PAF]

If 40 million foreign troops stormed the border with tanks, and artillery and air support, we would be required to give a judicial hearing and due process to every soldier prior to shooting at them?

Is that what's happening? Tanks, artillery, air support?

Last I heard, it was Trump who tried to persuade Mexico's president to allow him to send our military into their country to use bombs and artillery against dope dealers, and she said "NO".

Let me know when 40 million 100 foreign troops with "tanks, and artillery and air support" storm our border and maybe I'll reconsider.

One has to be pretty damned weak and fearful to allow dirt poor immigrants to take way our freedoms.


PS @Anti Federalist , how do like my new costume? It's so when your side wins out and they try to send me to Alcatraz, all I have to do is ditch the smoke and I'll be Jewish

 

[nikcers]

If 40 million foreign troops stormed the border with tanks, and artillery and air support, we would be required to give a judicial hearing and due process to every soldier prior to shooting at them?

I'm starting to suspect that when the United States is invaded some people will always oppose defending the United States and they will just invent reasons why it's morally objectionable to defend the United States.

Their sympathies just aren't with the United States.

 

[PAF]

Their sympathies just aren't with the United States [of Corporatism].

You're right. I'm only concerned about my own personal fiscal/liberty/freedom.

Using TheTexan's words: I'm selfish that way.

 

[nikcers]

You're right. I'm only concerned about my own personal fiscal/liberty/freedom.

Using TheTexan's words: I'm selfish that way.

Im talking about an enemy sympathizer.

The Romans had two words for enemy.

An enemy sympathizer is a person who cooperates traitorously with an enemy.

Not inimicus–the opposite of a friend (amicus) or rival.

hostis the enemy, foe, or public enemy. It specifically refers to an enemy of the state or nation.

 

[Anti Federalist]

 

[Invisible Man]

If 40 million foreign troops stormed the border with tanks, and artillery and air support, we would be required to give a judicial hearing and due process to every soldier prior to shooting at them?

Of course not. We would be acting defensively against someone in the very act of attacking us. This applies to people committing rapes, murders, and thefts, as well.

But when you're punishing someone for some crime that was alleged to have been committed in the past, it's necessary to make sure they are guilty.

 

[PAF]

As long as he doesn't deport 'Mericans to there, I'll be safe part time

 

[acptulsa]

An enemy sympathizer is a person who cooperates traitorously with an enemy.

And that's what you were programmed to be.

 

[nikcers]

And that's what you were programmed to be.

Two wings of the same bird. As Cicero said you are your own worst enemy. I do believe that.

As John Adams said there hasn't been a democracy yet that hasn't committed suicide.

We are talking about the other birds. Those other birds that would kill us or put us in chains if we didn't defend ourselves.