Thought y'all would want to know what Occupy DC thinks of Ron Paul

[Travlyr]

I won't bother 'debating' you on your claims. You've proven in these forums that it's a waste of time. Your claims have been thoroughly debunked throughout numerous threads in these forums. I'll settle for your own words - it just seems you had a few errors in there...



Fixed.

Bull loan ey. Empty rhetoric.

 

[Sentient Void]

Bull loan ey. Empty rhetoric.

Inane, empty, vacuous response. The board is better without such empty assertions. Try to contribute to the discussion, next time. kthnxbye

 

[noneedtoaggress]

I did indeed. You haven't. Did you read it?


Are you going to vote for Ron Paul in the primary process? Are you donating to his presidential campaign? Have you maxed out?

I don't. Do you?


Reading what Ron writes will inform people with what Ron wants others to know about him. What others write about him is rarely true.

Okay, I think that's enough of responding to you. You're not answering my questions, you're just creating a distraction by questioning me personally on how much I donated to Pauls campaign and calling voluntaryist philosophy "heretical", and when it comes directly from Ron you simply ignore it. This is pointless.

 

[Travlyr]

Inane, empty, vacuous response. The board is better without such empty assertions. Try to contribute to the discussion, next time. kthnxbye

How much have you donated to Ron Paul's campaign for president? Dollars?
How much time do you put-in to helping Ron Paul win?
How many hours have you devoted to liberty?
Answer the questions.
How much do you desire freedom in an imperfect world?

 

[Travlyr]

Okay, I think that's enough of responding to you. You're not answering my questions, you're just creating a distraction by questioning me personally on how much I donated to Pauls campaign and calling voluntaryist philosophy "heretical", and when it comes directly from Ron you simply ignore it. This is pointless.

Well if you are not going to help, then why are you here?

 

[noneedtoaggress]

First you have absolutely no idea what I have done, am doing, and will to do in the future to support Ron.

Second, putting my support on trial is completely irrelevant, and a tactic you're using to distract everyone from the topic that's been unfolding.

 

[CCTelander]

How much have you donated to Ron Paul's campaign for president? Dollars?
How much time do you put-in to helping Ron Paul win?
How many hours have you devoted to liberty?
Answer the questions.
How much do you desire freedom in an imperfect world?

Who the fuck are YOU to go around playing Grand Inquisitor?

Stop acting like such a tool.

 

[CCTelander]

ARGH, Matey!

This be t' first obstacle that prospective Voluntaryists reconcile before ever becomin' Voluntaryists. This objection was addressed decades ago. Ron Paul advocates the private production of all defense services, do you think he advocates the inevitable gang (pirate) warfare and hornswaggle that will supposedly result from it?

Avast ye!

But Wouldn't Warlords Take Over?

Corrupt Private Defense

Warring Defense Agencies and Organized Crime

Answering the Warring Defense Agencies Objection

Conflict Resolution in a Free Society

ARG! WHAT ABOUT THE WARLORDSDDSSDSD!?

http://mises.org/Community/forums/t/26494.aspx

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...pitalist-Reference-List&p=3315262#post3315262

Shiver me timbers!, this objection is not new!?!?!?! Yo Ho Ho!!!!

Ye' either be three sheets to the wind or just not payin' attention!

LOL!

One of the best responses to Rev9's nonsense to date!

 

[Sentient Void]

How much have you donated to Ron Paul's campaign for president? Dollars?
How much time do you put-in to helping Ron Paul win?
How many hours have you devoted to liberty?
Answer the questions.
How much do you desire freedom in an imperfect world?

I don't answer to you and will not answer your questions, which are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You consistently expose yourself as intellectually dishonest.

But know this, I have devoted a *significant* portion of my time, money, labor and have lost friends (as well as gained new ones) in my quest for liberty and for people to support Ron Paul for president, as well as other liberty candidates. On the internet *and* in real life (virtually my entire direct and extended family and friends are all Ron Paul supporters now, BTW). I have been to Boston numerous times to engage with other liberty lovers, and to take part in Tea Party goings ons.

Don't you dare question my devotion to liberty, you sad, sad, ignorant little man.

 

[Revolution9]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question



Um... the point was that it doesn't. And due to the fact that it doesn't violate ancap principles, Mises obviously was not talking about what is referred to today as anarchocapitalism by his own definition of "anarchism" in that quote thus it's not the critique (about whether it was compatible with reality) Travylr intended it to be.

The rest of what you wrote is irrelevant, vitriolic nonsense. You're interjecting to make irrelevant or ignorant remarks and attack the character of "those people you don't like" as if your cadence and belligerence could somehow make up for your useless statements. You're just embarrassing yourself.

This backslapping babble about anarchy which is built on an edifice of illusion is what is entirely irrelevant. Plus the fact you balatrons are always trying to bootstrap the Good Doctor into one of your labels. Your lot continually has to disregard real world conditions and point to some fallacy of a wonderful world of angels where everybody is decent to monkey wrench your paradigms into some semblance of workability. Ain't gonna happen in the para-moralistic malaise we have currently. There are real people in the real world trying to do something about it/the current format of the state...many from these very grassroots which you bunch are astroturfing. You people think you can push with your pinky and entire mountains will crumble to dust and reconfigure themselves in a new location. Then ya'all get all backslapperied up and take over threads that have nothing to do with this unproductive babble and think you garner respect for your psuedo-intellectual stances. Fact is by debating it as though it is real it offers your side an undeserved foray into the realm of "things the grassroots should take seriously at this time". I lodge my ditties so that folks wandering through here who perceive anarchists as the tool of communists know that the grassroots doesn't take you folks seriously and give them a chuckle or two and a brainteaser on their stroll through the forums while trying to make up their mind about this candidate.

Rev9

 

[Sentient Void]

This backslapping babble about anarchy which is built on an edifice of illusion is what is entirely irrelevant. Plus the fact you balatrons are always trying to bootstrap the Good Doctor into one of your labels. Your lot continually has to disregard real world conditions and point to some fallacy of a wonderful world of angels where everybody is decent to monkey wrench your paradigms into some semblance of workability. Ain't gonna happen in the para-moralistic malaise we have currently. There are real people in the real world trying to do something about it/the current format of the state...many from these very grassroots which you bunch are astroturfing. You people think you can push with your pinky and entire mountains will crumble to dust and reconfigure themselves in a new location. Then ya'all get all backslapperied up and take over threads that have nothing to do with this unproductive babble and think you garner respect for your psuedo-intellectual stances. Fact is by debating it as though it is real it offers your side an undeserved foray into the realm of "things the grassroots should take seriously at this time". I lodge my ditties so that folks wandering through here who perceive anarchists as the tool of communists know that the grassroots doesn't take you folks seriously and give them a chuckle or two and a brainteaser on their stroll through the forums while trying to make up their mind about this candidate.

Rev9

You have no clue as to what you're talking about, and no clue what we're talking about. You're attacking a strawman, through and through. After all of the discussions you've had with us on these forums - you're being either remarkably obtuse or remarkably dishonest.

"The Rothbardian doesn't claim that the absence of a state is a sufficient condition for bliss. Rather, the Rothbardian says that however prosperous and law-abiding a society is, adding an institution of organized violence and theft will only make things worse." - Robert Murphy

"The Constitution either gives us the government we have, or it's powerless to prevent it; either way it is unfit to exist". - Lysander Spooner

"If men are good, then they need no rulers. If men are bad, then governments of men, composed of men, will also be bad - and probably worse, due to the State's amplification of coercive power." - Ozarkia

And this one is especially for *you*...

"The idea of a strictly limited constitutional State was a noble expiriment that failed, even under the most favorable and propitious circumstances. It failed then, why should a similar expiriment fair any better now? No, it is the conservative laissez-fairist, the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, "Limit yourself"; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." -Murray Rothbard

 

[Revolution9]

LOL!

One of the best responses to Rev9's nonsense to date!

Ok.. Let's play thought experiment. You guys are on the other side of the tracks and me and my boys are over yonder. So yer comrade gets a little too geezered up on some hooch and comes riding into our side of town looking to find Mary Sue and give her a taste of his manhood. After all he has been stuck at the clubhouse backslappng it up for the last two months and his testicles were a wee bit engorged. Now Mary Sue was the sister of Big Bubba Red. He ain't too bright but he loves his momma, sister and God. A gang took his fathers life years back when this whole schtick of having to buy protection was racketed into existence. They never found out who did it as it was only him and his sister interested in his death and who mighta done it. Bubba, now being the "man of the house" tried to keep a good watch out as they were poor and had to provide their own security. The company next door kept moving the fenceline over a few yards every time their inventory got larger until he stuck the salt shotgun under the property owners nose and let him know he is liable to pull the trigger next time. So Bubba is a little strung out and anxious about his duty to protect what was his and his pappy worked his ass off fer. Well up the road comes yer comrade, so drunk his breath could knock a buzzard off a gutwagon, weaving up the road knocking shit over as he careened from shoulder to shoulder in the ditch and back out. He spots Mary Sue and gives her a holler. Bubba starts up with his shotgun. "Get yer ass outta here afore I..." , "Fuck you redneck!" says yer comrade. Bubba blows his head off right there, hauls the body out back and feeds it to his pigs. He goes out front and pockets the keys to the car and takes what is left of the hooch, goes back to his front porch and thinks what a fine night it is.

Now, you boys, being all schwag and shit got yer own private security. Yer comrade ain't shown back up and yer gonna need him to convene the backslapper sewing circle so ya get on the blower to "The Vinnie The Brow Zinjanthropia's Security Services" and get them to find out where your boy is. They send one of their hodge podgesters out to the other side of the tracks where he was last seen goin' and spot comrades automobile in Bubba's yard..but they can't really prove it as their is no rgistration number or other identifying mark since they were phased out.. They stop at Bubbas house and he greets them with his salt shotgun. "What you fellers want?" he asks. "We were looking for someone who is missing" they reply. "Well, do I look like somebody's momma? Ya'all get yer sorry nose grubbin' asses outta here afore i load yer butt full of salt."

I could write a frakkin' novel with the pitfalls of your philosophical underpinnings driving the absurdities.

Rev9

 

[noneedtoaggress]

This backslapping babble about anarchy which is built on an edifice of illusion is what is entirely irrelevant. Plus the fact you balatrons are always trying to bootstrap the Good Doctor into one of your labels. Your lot continually has to disregard real world conditions and point to some fallacy of a wonderful world of angels where everybody is decent to monkey wrench your paradigms into some semblance of workability. Ain't gonna happen in the para-moralistic malaise we have currently. There are real people in the real world trying to do something about it/the current format of the state...many from these very grassroots which you bunch are astroturfing. You people think you can push with your pinky and entire mountains will crumble to dust and reconfigure themselves in a new location. Then ya'all get all backslapperied up and take over threads that have nothing to do with this unproductive babble and think you garner respect for your psuedo-intellectual stances. Fact is by debating it as though it is real it offers your side an undeserved foray into the realm of "things the grassroots should take seriously at this time". I lodge my ditties so that folks wandering through here who perceive anarchists as the tool of communists know that the grassroots doesn't take you folks seriously and give them a chuckle or two and a brainteaser on their stroll through the forums while trying to make up their mind about this candidate.

Rev9

So much bark, so little bite.

 

[CCTelander]

So much bark, so little bite.

I know. He uses SO MANY WORDS to say so very little.

 

[Revolution9]

You have no clue as to what you're talking about, and no clue what we're talking about. You're attacking a strawman, through and through. After all of the discussions you've had with us on these forums - you're being either remarkably obtuse or remarkably dishonest.

"The Rothbardian doesn't claim that the absence of a state is a sufficient condition for bliss. Rather, the Rothbardian says that however prosperous and law-abiding a society is, adding an institution of organized violence and theft will only make things worse." - Robert Murphy

"The Constitution either gives us the government we have, or it's powerless to prevent it; either way it is unfit to exist". - Lysander Spooner

"If men are good, then they need no rulers. If men are bad, then governments of men, composed of men, will also be bad - and probably worse, due to the State's amplification of coercive power." - Ozarkia

And this one is especially for *you*...

"The idea of a strictly limited constitutional State was a noble expiriment that failed, even under the most favorable and propitious circumstances. It failed then, why should a similar expiriment fair any better now? No, it is the conservative laissez-fairist, the man who puts all the guns and all the decision-making power into the hands of the central government and then says, "Limit yourself"; it is he who is truly the impractical utopian." -Murray Rothbard

Ya know. I could give a goddamn about what Murray Rothbard said. I rarely appeal to authority. I use common sense and thought experiment. I remember facts. I create my opinions based on those facts. I don't need icons telling me what to think nor do I reference them to reinforce the paradigm of my parrotry as you do. Is there an original thinker amongst the lot of you..or are ya'all just a bunch of youngsters trying to get to grips with the real world?

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

So much bark, so little bite.

So much backslapping..so little substance.

Rev9

 

[Wesker1982]

Ok.. Let's play thought experiment. You guys are on the other side of the tracks and me and my boys are over yonder. So yer comrade gets a little too geezered up on some hooch and comes riding into our side of town looking to find Mary Sue and give her a taste of his manhood. After all he has been stuck at the clubhouse backslappng it up for the last two months and his testicles were a wee bit engorged. Now Mary Sue was the sister of Big Bubba Red. He ain't too bright but he loves his momma, sister and God. A gang took his fathers life years back when this whole schtick of having to buy protection was racketed into existence. They never found out who did it as it was only him and his sister interested in his death and who mighta done it. Bubba, now being the "man of the house" tried to keep a good watch out as they were poor and had to provide their own security. The company next door kept moving the fenceline over a few yards every time their inventory got larger until he stuck the salt shotgun under the property owners nose and let him know he is liable to pull the trigger next time. So Bubba is a little strung out and anxious about his duty to protect what was his and his pappy worked his ass off fer. Well up the road comes yer comrade, so drunk his breath could knock a buzzard off a gutwagon, weaving up the road knocking shit over as he careened from shoulder to shoulder in the ditch and back out. He spots Mary Sue and gives her a holler. Bubba starts up with his shotgun. "Get yer ass outta here afore I..." , "Fuck you redneck!" says yer comrade. Bubba blows his head off right there, hauls the body out back and feeds it to his pigs. He goes out front and pockets the keys to the car and takes what is left of the hooch, goes back to his front porch and thinks what a fine night it is.

Now, you boys, being all schwag and shit got yer own private security. Yer comrade ain't shown back up and yer gonna need him to convene the backslapper sewing circle so ya get on the blower to "The Vinnie The Brow Zinjanthropia's Security Services" and get them to find out where your boy is. They send one of their hodge podgesters out to the other side of the tracks where he was last seen goin' and spot comrades automobile in Bubba's yard..but they can't really prove it as their is no rgistration number or other identifying mark since they were phased out.. They stop at Bubbas house and he greets them with his salt shotgun. "What you fellers want?" he asks. "We were looking for someone who is missing" they reply. "Well, do I look like somebody's momma? Ya'all get yer sorry nose grubbin' asses outta here afore i load yer butt full of salt."

I could write a frakkin' novel with the pitfalls of your philosophical underpinnings driving the absurdities.

Rev9

tldr

 

[CCTelander]

tldr

Sadly, I actually did read it.

That's a part of my life I'll never get back.

 

[Revolution9]

I know. He uses SO MANY WORDS to say so very little.

When there is little to comment on you have to kind of ornament it for the readers elucidation.. Mark my words though. Alot of people agree with me. Most of my reps are from banging it up with your crowd and hail from across the board..not just a few posters.

Rev9

 

[Revolution9]

Sadly, I actually did read it.

That's a part of my life I'll never get back.

And what part of the Bubba and The Comrade scenario is not a plausible situation under the set-up you guys yatter about?

Rev9