WHY Massachusetts voted for McCain

[speciallyblend]

true

This movement existed long before this election cycle and it will exist long after.

i agree ,since i was an activist before i ever heard of ron paul though if mccain wins, i would have to question the sanity of actually thinking we can take the gop back, we must not let mccain win and reward the corruption of the gop..


we need to focus this grassroots on action to do whatever it takes to make sure mccain crash and burns!!!!

 

[MsDoodahs]

i agree ,since i was an activist before i ever heard of ron paul though if mccain wins, i would have to question the sanity of actually thinking we can take the gop back, we must not let mccain win and reward the corruption of the gop..

It is going to take time to infiltrate the GOP from the local level up.

It can be done, because our ideas are sound and ... hell, if a pack of vile neocons can con the GOP membership and lead them this far away from their conservative roots, I KNOW freedom advocates can persuade them back in the opposite direction.

I recall wishing Ron could debate any of the neocon candidates one on one...why?

We all KNEW how bad Ron would kick butt.

Well, time for us to kick butt - locally - based on our ability to persuade those around us to the soundness of the ideas.

 

[Ninja Homer]

To the Ron Paul delegates who sold their votes for inroads to the Republican party:

It isn't my place to judge you. I wasn't in your shoes, and I don't know what it was like. I'm sure it was a hard decision, and I'm glad it wasn't mine to make.

I'm sure there must have been a lot running through your mind, weighing on your conscience, for example:
How many millions of dollars of campaign funds did it take to get you there?
How many hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours did it take to get you there?
How many thousands of Ron Paul supporters does your vote represent?
If McCain wins, and continues to "follow the course" and invade countries, how many lives of US soldiers does your vote represent? How many innocent lives in other countries?
If McCain wins, how many years will your children or grandchildren be debt slaves as a result of McCain's spending?

Like I said, it's not my place to judge... Those are just some of the things that would have weighed on my decision and my conscience.

I hope you got your agreement in a document that will hold up in court, because I wouldn't count on those lying bastards to hold up their end of the bargain even if McCain's own mother's life depended on it.

 

[Rhys]

we need to focus this grassroots on action to do whatever it takes to make sure mccain crash and burns!!!!

McCain and working to do anything regarding his win or loss is a big loss for us all.

We work and focus on spreading OUR ideas, not making sure someone loses because then no one wins.... ever again.

We carry the banner, as RP said, of liberty... that does not mean we carry any banner of stopping anyone else. we advance. they do whatever they do. we win.

 

[trapfive]

I see it as the will of the people was subverted, again. They had a duty to represent their constituents by voting the way they wanted them to vote. The whole point of voting is to vote your conscience, and it is even more important to vote the way the people in your district demanded it. This is a good way of excusing their duty to the constituents.

The GOP will never change when it doesn't feel threatened, if PAUL was shown to have 200 delegates up on the big screen for all to see, for the pundits to ponder, for the country to discuss, that to me is real change. What we saw was a party self congratulating itself throughout for the job well done. HORSESHIT. The battle is one of perception, and that battle was lost because as a collective we managed a murmur with a handful of votes, we managed a murmur because these delegates made the wrong decision, playing politics with the one chance Ron Paul's views on liberty had to shine through the pitch dark that is the GOP has become. There is strength in numbers, and by caving the RP people showed weakness.

The problem with American politics is just that nobody votes on principle anymore. These people should be ashamed of themselves.

"They had a duty to represent their constituents by voting the way they wanted them to vote."

Oh really, why the dvd's for delegates then. This argument is flawed.

 

[TER]

If it is true that it is better for this movement if McCain loses this election, than I can't accept the excuses of these delegates.

 

[sidster]

I see it as the will of the people was subverted, again. They had a duty to represent their constituents by voting the way they wanted them to vote. The whole point of voting is to vote your conscience, and it is even more important to vote the way the people in your district demanded it. This is a good way of excusing their duty to the constituents.

I agree, people actually think that these delegates are doing their duty to take OUR VOTES and make sure that voice is heard at the convention. Caving to "build bridges" to help play the game does NOT sound like they did their job at all.

You can make buddies before and after the convention and simply let them know that it is not "your" vote you are casting but the THOUSANDS who entrusted their votes with your ONE..

I could not agree more with these two comments. I can't believe
the a-holes who thought they could do what they did, piss away
their obligations and stifle the voices of those they were representing
at the convention. Who the fuck do these jerks think they are?
They weren't there as individuals, they were there as REPRESENTATIVES!

 

[speciallyblend]

i will treat the gop like they treated ron paul!!!!! so crash and burn mccain you so deserve it!!!!

 

[tomaO2]

I came to change Washington but in the end Washington changed me.


To understand what it happening we must remember what has been done in the past. When Goldwater took the nomination he did so on a groundswell of conservative support. Those conservatives went through the system and eventually elected a Regan. Regan was not a Goldwater but he was close enough for those that had helped Goldwater. He said the right things and seemed aright. Even Ron Paul voted for him. However, he was not even close to what we needed but it was too late by then.

Those that had decided Regan (Ron Paul was a rare exception to this generality) was good enough never realized that the change they had gone out to give Washington had boomeranged and had infected them instead. He failed, perhaps he never was what he told his voters he was and the sad thing is no one realized it.

Today many think of Regan as some sort of wonderful conservative, a crowning moment but he wasn't. They had sold out their souls to get in office and from that moment on Republicans became more and more Liberal, because being liberal got the votes. The more we got in office the more we said we had to unite and become even MORE liberal to GET in office. We did that until we lost anything that made Republicans different.

Today we nominate the most liberal Republican yet. If he wins there will be no conservative resurgence because to do so would take away why we are winning. We don't want McCain to win. It doesn't matter if we are blamed. It might even be good because they know they have to get back to thier roots to gain our support.

For McCain to win is to justify selling out again, to show the innate correctness of following the policies of liberalization. You can't work from the inside to change things when the things you want to change are the reason why your side is winning. They don't fear losing your vote because you keep going back, like a battered wife. No matter how bad they treat you eventually, you reason, they are bound to start treating you right. However, the day you feel they are finally doing so is the day you completely sold out. Their views have become yours. Washington has finally changed you into a political creature that you rallied against in your youth.

We all like to think we can keep our principals but history has shown that we sacrifice them to win. Worse, we offer ourselves platitudes saying "I'll just bend here and then I'll win and then in power I'll change things." However, by that point they start thinking "I can be voted out in two years, I can't afford to risk as much as I like." So they console themselves saying they are still true conservatives while they become more liberal.

Those that voted for McCain have taken their first step to total sell out. Oh sure, they will give reasons but that's to sooth their own minds.

Those that support them have also sold out. You should not debate anyone trying. Each and every one of these people are a lost cause and are no further value to this movement. It's be sad if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[Cinderella]

massachusetts sucks!!!

 

[hard@work]

I cannot think of what "concession" could have been granted that was worth this "political move". It is a sellout and a straight mistake. There is no benefit to us by us sending our representatives anywhere and having them represent another group. We needed to show these numbers in every area. After the abuse and the unethical rule breaking that occurred at every corner in every state with the establishment and career political operatives you would think the reps we had would be fired up to make their protest vote and be heard.

What benefit was given for this? Was there a threat of force relieved? Was there a devalued dollar promised?

God help us all if you who fell did so for a promise of political power.


If anything I think all of us should look at this as a massive warning. The corrupting influences or perhaps the fears of men leading to poor decisions under pressure - regardless - are to be made a focal point even for our own representatives.

On a positive note: they know our numbers even if they found ways to hide them, and they know they do not know how many sympathizers we have that will grow into supporters.

 

[sidster]

To the Ron Paul delegates who sold their votes for inroads to the Republican party:

It isn't my place to judge you. I wasn't in your shoes, and I don't know what it was like. I'm sure it was a hard decision, and I'm glad it wasn't mine to make.

I'm sure there must have been a lot running through your mind, weighing on your conscience, for example:
How many millions of dollars of campaign funds did it take to get you there?
How many hundreds of thousands of volunteer hours did it take to get you there?
How many thousands of Ron Paul supporters does your vote represent?
If McCain wins, and continues to "follow the course" and invade countries, how many lives of US soldiers does your vote represent? How many innocent lives in other countries?
If McCain wins, how many years will your children or grandchildren be debt slaves as a result of McCain's spending?

Like I said, it's not my place to judge... Those are just some of the things that would have weighed on my decision and my conscience.

I hope you got your agreement in a document that will hold up in court, because I wouldn't count on those lying bastards to hold up their end of the bargain even if McCain's own mother's life depended on it.

The more i think about this the more frustrated I get. As you
pointed out so much hard work, money and effort were spent
to get these jokers to the convention so that they could just
do ONE SIMPLE THING and these CLOWNS couldn't even do
that right.... simply amazing.


also this John Cunningham people should email this idiot and
demand he remove the 'Ron Paul Republican' tag line off of
his campaign. He is a sellout chicken-sh!t. his actions do not
represent anything Ron Paul has stood for all these years in
Congress.

 

[bbachtung]

WHORES!

Remember when Ron Paul stood up to those neo-con stooges in the South Carolina debate? He courageously took on a crowd of pitchfork-wielding fascists, egged-on by Benito Giuliani and the rest of the GOP warmonger crowd.

Ron Paul stood alone on a stage and took a stand on principle. Ron Paul stands up every day in Congress and votes no on all unconstitutional bills. Ron Paul is ridiculed and mocked by the establishment. Ron Paul is a hero.

The animals who sold out for a seat at the cool kids table in the cafeteria disgust me. The heroes from the Oklahoma delegation who stood on principle are the antithesis of the evil represented by Cunningham and the other neo-con lackeys. I hope that Cunningham loses so badly in his congressional race that he is embarassed to show his face in public. He and his buddies make me sick.

 

[bbachtung]

It sucks, but another way to look at it - when McCain goes down hard in November they can't claim it was because the Paul supporters divided the party.

McCain is going to win in November. Trust me on this. Obama peaked too early and the Dems have already surrendered on the war, the Fourth Amendment (FISA), and everything else on which they were even marginally different from the GOP.

Palin has energized the GOP base, and the GOP base usually (2006 was a big exception) shows up in huge numbers. A significantly smaller percentage of self-proclaimed Democratic voters show up each election and with the war a dead issue (the media's not covering it this year, which means that most voters don't remember it), the Democrats have no advantage over McCain come November.

Those who sold out at the convention for unity have helped get McCain elected without controversy (not that Obama would be any better -- he'll invade Pakistan instead of Iran, raise our taxes, and take the guns from our "bitter" hands).

The blood of our fellow citizens who are sent to die in foreign lands will be on the hands of anyone who votes McCain or Obama this November.

 

[TurtleBurger]

This was not a convention, it was a coronation party. A vote for Ron Paul would not have done anything; more than likely it wouldn't have even been reported. A pledge of support from the state party to support a RP-like congressional candidate is much more valuable than any stubborn stand these 6 delegates could have made. I agree that principle is critical, but that does not mean you have to throw strategy completely out the window. It is NOT a sell-out to withdraw from an unwinnable battle in exchange for concessions that are for the good of the whole movement.

 

[pauletteNV]

It has been stated that Ron Paul organizers asked for their to be no disruptions. So, o.k., don't be rude, don't be distruptive, but like Ron Paul, go toe-to-toe and quietly vote "Ron Paul," just say "No," or abstain if that is the best you can do. It almost comes down to a point of being compromised. McCain spent years in a prison camp and one of the reasons I feel I could never truly trust him, (besides all the obvious) is that I question what really happened to him during that time of captivity and now "compromised" was he and maybe is he still. I can understand the difficult position in which the delegates were placed and I am sure that in their minds they made a good decision...the powers that be knew how to push all the right buttons...but to me, they are now compromised. Maybe they wouldn't have been allowed to vote for Ron Paul, but some did and I'd sure like to know their names so that I could thank them for their service and diligence. Those who did not vote for Ron Paul had options rather than vote for McCain if that was not to be allowed. I have seen the GOP in action and do not trust that they will ever "honor" any compromises some feel they made. Just my opinion and I have been fighting finding my true ground on this one. Bottomline, however, is we must move on, take our battle scars, and fight again.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Mondays Announcement

This ahead of Mondays announcement makes me shudder the thought that Paul will support McCain.



Like the Dems were going to pretend were one big happy family.

 

[RP4EVER]

This was not a convention, it was a coronation party. A vote for Ron Paul would not have done anything; more than likely it wouldn't have even been reported. A pledge of support from the state party to support a RP-like congressional candidate is much more valuable than any stubborn stand these 6 delegates could have made. I agree that principle is critical, but that does not mean you have to throw strategy completely out the window. It is NOT a sell-out to withdraw from an unwinnable battle in exchange for concessions that are for the good of the whole movement.

WRONG! It would have shown exactly how many people are against McCain.

MsDoodahs....since the movement exsisted far before this? Why has nothing like this ever been done?

 

[sidster]

WRONG! It would have shown exactly how many people are against McCain.

MsDoodahs....since the movement exsisted far before this? Why has nothing like this ever been done?

hear hear!!

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

What this shows is, we need to be more careful of who we vote as a delegate because some have VERY WEAK MINDS like this guy. If he caved as well as the many others than they are NOT what this effort needs AT ALL and I wish they would have told us their STUPID strategy before we voted them as delegates because we could have weeded these flip floppers out.

As far as Dr. Paul flipping to make friends, if that were the announcement don't you think he would have flip flopped with all of these shitty delegates who voted mccain so he could speak at the rnc? Why do it after the fact????

With all of those lone votes of Dr. Pauls against the majority in congress and then we have these delegates who are trying to make friends within the gop FOR WHAT? We can take over our local republican parties while voting for Ron Paul.

The point of taking it over is to REMOVE those who actual vote for assholes like mccain just due to "party friendliness".

What I would like is the lists of all our "supposed" delegates who flipped and will happily speak about it like this asshole jonny boy has done so we can MAKE SURE they are NOT voted as delegates or into office in the next elections. They are simply showing how easy they can be pushed, molded and played with for "party relations" and that is no different than the shitty politicians we already have in office.

So where do we find out who the delegates voted for?

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check out the fools website

John Cunningham - http://www.johncunningham2008.com/

there is a poll on it

"Who does John Cunningham most resemble?"
option 1 - Bruce Willis
option 2 - john mccain

I can't tell if he is talking about looks OR voting record. I think he resembles that piece of shit John Mccain on both looks and voting record.

I hope people contact that guy and voice your opinion to him

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