Who exactly are these people commenting on Amash's Facebook?

[Spoa]

Yes, because whether you agree with the war or not...they went to sacrifice their lives as AMERICAN soldiers. They signed up to fight, believing that they are fighting for something good. They wear an American uniform, protecting the American flag. Even if you don't agree with the war they are fighting, I hope you will not deny that they are still our fellow Americans who deserve our utmost respect.

 

[jj-]

Yes, because whether you agree with the war or not...they went to sacrifice their lives as AMERICAN soldiers.

If an American kills an innocent foreigner in a war that isn't related to the security of the United States, I don't see why I should side with an American killer just because he is an American.

 

[Brett85]

Yes, because whether you agree with the war or not...they went to sacrifice their lives as AMERICAN soldiers. They signed up to fight, believing that they are fighting for something good. They wear an American uniform, protecting the American flag. Even if you don't agree with the war they are fighting, I hope you will not deny that they are still our fellow Americans who deserve our utmost respect.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Spoa again."

 

[Spoa]

I can see we aren't getting very far with our argument here, so let me put it this way...if these men and women had not gone to fight in the wars...congress would have started a military draft and force people like you to go fight in a war that you don't even like, under the penalty of jail time or treason. You may start thinking, "How unconstitutional!" I'm sorry, few in Washington D.C. would care about your opinion...you fight or you spend time in jail. So, if you can't be thankful to these men and women because you don't believe they are fighting for your freedom, at least be thankful that they are fighting so that you don't have to go to war yourself.

 

[Spoa]

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Spoa again."

Thanks Traditional Conservative! I'm glad to see we are in agreement.

 

[Brett85]

I can see we aren't getting very far with our argument here, so let me put it this way...if these men and women had not gone to fight in the wars...congress would have started a military draft and force people like you to go fight in a war that you don't even like, under the penalty of jail time or treason. You may start thinking, "How unconstitutional!" I'm sorry, few in Washington D.C. would care about your opinion...you fight or you spend time in jail. So, if you can't be thankful to these men and women because you don't believe they are fighting for your freedom, at least be thankful that they are fighting so that you don't have to go to war yourself.

That's a very good point that I've never thought of before. I'm having a debate on Facebook with someone over this particular issue; I'll have to bring up the point you just mentioned.

 

[jj-]

I can see we aren't getting very far with our argument here, so let me put it this way...if these men and women had not gone to fight in the wars...congress would have started a military draft and force people like you to go fight in a war that you don't even like, under the penalty of jail time or treason. You may start thinking, "How unconstitutional!" I'm sorry, few in Washington D.C. would care about your opinion...you fight or you spend time in jail. So, if you can't be thankful to these men and women because you don't believe they are fighting for your freedom, at least be thankful that they are fighting so that you don't have to go to war yourself.

So in other words... I should be thankful to an American killer who killed an innocent foreigner in a war that wasn't related to the security of the United States, because if he didn't go it would've been more likely that Congress would draft me, and thus, the killer saved me the inconvenience of figuring out how to avoid a draft. Sorry, the argument is very weak from my point of view.

 

[qh4dotcom]

I can see we aren't getting very far with our argument here, so let me put it this way...if these men and women had not gone to fight in the wars...congress would have started a military draft and force people like you to go fight in a war that you don't even like, under the penalty of jail time or treason. You may start thinking, "How unconstitutional!" I'm sorry, few in Washington D.C. would care about your opinion...you fight or you spend time in jail. So, if you can't be thankful to these men and women because you don't believe they are fighting for your freedom, at least be thankful that they are fighting so that you don't have to go to war yourself.

In that case, everyone needs to refuse and Washington needs to be called out for their bluff...Washington can't jail the whole country.

 

[jj-]

In that case, everyone needs to refuse and Washington needs to be called out for their bluff...Washington can't jail the whole country.

Yeah. I have at least two issues with Spoa's argument:

1. It assumes we lost and shouldn't even try to fight.
2. It assumes it's ok to kill an innocent man, as long as he is a foreigner and such killing saves us from inconveniences such as avoiding a draft. Then we should be thankful to the killer.

 

[qh4dotcom]

So in other words... I should be thankful to an American killer who killed an innocent foreigner in a war that wasn't related to the security of the United States, because if he didn't go it would've been more likely that Congress would draft me, and thus, the killer saved me the inconvenience of figuring out how to avoid a draft. Sorry, the argument is very weak from my point of view.

Well said

 

[Spoa]

So in other words... I should be thankful to an American killer who killed an innocent foreigner in a war that wasn't related to the security of the United States, because if he didn't go it would've been more likely that Congress would draft me, and thus, the killer saved me the inconvenience of figuring out how to avoid a draft. Sorry, the argument is very weak from my point of view.

Innocent foreigner? Like Osama Bin Laden!!! I'm sure that he's innocent. What about Al-Qaeda followers who helped plan the 9/11 attacks? I guess they're innocent too. If we follow your logic, we should round up all our soldiers and put them in jail. I would strongly disagree that Osama Bin Laden is an "innocent foreigner that wasn't related to the security of the United States" especially when he led the attack on New York City, the Pentagon, and almost the White House!

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Innocent foreigner? Like Osama Bin Laden!!! I'm sure that he's innocent. What about Al-Qaeda followers who helped plan the 9/11 attacks? I guess they're innocent too. If we follow your logic, we should round up all our soldiers and put them in jail. I would strongly disagree that Osama Bin Laden is an "innocent foreigner that wasn't related to the security of the United States" especially when he led the attack on New York City, the Pentagon, and almost the White House!

How do we know Osama was guilty? There was never a trial. Who decides who is and isn't a terrorist? The government, on a whim? We don't trust the government to run healthcare or student loans, but we trust them to determine who is and isn't a terrorist, and thus, who is and isn't worthy of living? All by their own decree, with zero judicial or any other sort of review?

 

[Spoa]

In that case, everyone needs to refuse and Washington needs to be called out for their bluff...Washington can't jail the whole country.

Sigh...you don't get the point. We didn't have to go fight in World War II. Vietnam and Korea were none of our business if we really want to think about it. But Rep. Paul served during the Vietnam War. Is he an American killer too since he was willing to serve his country?

In addition, politicians are smarter than you think. If they start hearing a sense of rebellion, they'll start making arrest quicker than you can think. Internet will be shut down and people will be killed. "They can't put everyone in jail" was the logic used in several other nations...looked how things ended up!

 

[qh4dotcom]

Innocent foreigner? Like Osama Bin Laden!!! I'm sure that he's innocent. What about Al-Qaeda followers who helped plan the 9/11 attacks? I guess they're innocent too. If we follow your logic, we should round up all our soldiers and put them in jail. I would strongly disagree that Osama Bin Laden is an "innocent foreigner that wasn't related to the security of the United States" especially when he led the attack on New York City, the Pentagon, and almost the White House!

Since you obviously didn't get it, JJ was talking about the innocent civilians and children that are killed in wars.

 

[jj-]

Innocent foreigner? Like Osama Bin Laden!!! I'm sure that he's innocent. What about Al-Qaeda followers who helped plan the 9/11 attacks? I guess they're innocent too. If we follow your logic, we should round up all our soldiers and put them in jail. I would strongly disagree that Osama Bin Laden is an "innocent foreigner that wasn't related to the security of the United States" especially when he led the attack on New York City, the Pentagon, and almost the White House!

You're talking about specific individuals here, whose exceptional actions don't apply to soldiers in general. They are exceptions. The norm is to kill people unrelated to the Security of the United States, such as Iraqis.

 

[qh4dotcom]

Sigh...you don't get the point. We didn't have to go fight in World War II. Vietnam and Korea were none of our business if we really want to think about it. But Rep. Paul served during the Vietnam War. Is he an American killer too since he was willing to serve his country?

He should have refused to go...and he didn't kill anyone....he served as a flight surgeon.

 

[jj-]

But Rep. Paul served during the Vietnam War. Is he an American killer too since he was willing to serve his country?

1. Ron Paul didn't kill anyone. We are talking only about people who killed innocent foreigners in a war that wasn't related to American security. You apparently are blind to the qualifiers in our statements. Read them.
2. Ron Paul said that if he was drafted with the convictions he currently has, he would refuse to serve.

 

[Spoa]

How do we know Osama was guilty? There was never a trial. Who decides who is and isn't a terrorist? The government, on a whim? We don't trust the government to run healthcare or student loans, but we trust them to determine who is and isn't a terrorist, and thus, who is and isn't worthy of living? All by their own decree, with zero judicial or any other sort of review?

There are videos of Osama Bin Laden proudly admitting that he was responsible for 9/11. Would you like to ask those soldiers who were brutally murdered by Al-Qaeda if Osama Bin Laden was this nice guy who has just been framed? Osama Bin Laden is a criminal...period. He isn't an American citizen so don't give me this... "innocent until proven guilty" stuff. He's guilty by his own admission...period!

 

[Spoa]

He should have refused to go...and he didn't kill anyone....he served as a flight surgeon.

Who still saved the lives of these "American killers" you speak about. By your standards, that would make him an accomplice to the crime.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

There are videos of Osama Bin Laden proudly admitting that he was responsible for 9/11. Would you like to ask those soldiers who were brutally murdered by Al-Qaeda if Osama Bin Laden was this nice guy who has just been framed? Osama Bin Laden is a criminal...period. He isn't an American citizen so don't give me this... "innocent until proven guilty" stuff. He's guilty by his own admission...period!

No trial = no guilt.

Additionally, saying a non-citizen is not innocent until proven guilty is taking a positivist view of government; a view that holds that government grants rights. Do you believe that government grants rights?