When Does Open Immigration Become An Invasion?

You are correct about that, but Buckley was the guy behind hijacking the American Right by neocons. An agent of action for the Idea Man. To this day neocons and apologists like Limbaugh cite Bill Buckley as an important influence.

Buckley certainly did that. You're right. But, there is a bad habit around here of calling any and all big government establishment figures in the Republican Party, neocons, and they are not. Neocons are not the only big government wings in the Republican Party.
 
Buckley certainly did that. You're right. But, there is a bad habit around here of calling any and all big government establishment figures in the Republican Party, neocons, and they are not. Neocons are not the only big government wings in the Republican Party.

Yeah, I agree there. "Neocon" has a very specific meaning, and certain people try to abuse it (perhaps not understanding it themselves) and use it as an epithet to shut down discussion. :P
 
That's not what I said, actually. Our borders have been INVADED. It is beyond stupid to allow that, because then there is no chance that they will be assimilated into our culture. In fact, such large numbers will insure that they will change the culture that exists.

What you said was, "No one said they hated immigrants. They said they didn't like ILLEGAL immigrants."

Those are your exact words.

As you are now explaining, that was a lie. It's not just illegal immigrants you hate. It's immigrants, legal or not. And you want illegal immigration to stay illegal.
 
Hey erowe, just wondering... is there anything that you support that doesn't involve some short-term personal financial benefit? Like some moral principle that you feel is just even though you can't maximize your monetary gain by following it?
 
Hey erowe, just wondering... is there anything that you support that doesn't involve some short-term personal financial benefit? Like some moral principle that you feel is just even though you can't maximize your monetary gain by following it?

Yes. None of my policy positions are based on what anyone's financial benefits will or won't be. They are all based on morality.

Since the immigration laws you support are immoral, I am obligated to oppose them. Even if implementing them benefitted me personally, I would have no choice but to oppose them on the basis of their immorality.
 
Yes. None of my policy positions are based on what anyone's financial benefits will or won't be. They are all based on morality.

Define morality for us please.

Since the immigration laws you support are immoral, I am obligated to oppose them. Even if implementing them benefitted me personally, I would have no choice but to oppose them on the basis of their immorality.

Are you a cuckservative or just trolling ?
 
Sure, there have been "times" for everything. But, that was back when the country needed people to settle the land. That hasn't been the case for a very long time.

I've been thinking about this.
Question for the group:
Is her statement more racist against Hispanics, or Indians?
 
Define morality for us please.

God's laws of right and wrong. For example, theft, murder, and kidnapping are immoral.


Are you a cuckservative or just trolling ?

I've been seeing that word pop up lately. As I understand it, cuckservative is the label that white nationalists use for conservatives who aren't white nationalists, or in the case of the current presidential race, everyone except Trump supporters. They're whites who are fine getting figuratively "cuckolded" by allowing their race's women to have children from men of other races, without getting shocked by that as some kind of atrocity that demands they take up arms to stop it. Is that right?

If so, yeah, I guess that's what I am, just like Ron and Rand Paul are. But then, considering what website this is, that's to be expected.

If you support laws that require employers to report to the federal government who all works for them and make sure they all have the right government-issued papers to have the government's permission to work here, then wouldn't that make you the troll here?
 
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If so, yeah, I guess that's what I am, just like Ron and Rand Paul are. But then, considering what website this is, that's to be expected.

Erowe, don't conflate your open borders wet dream with anything having to do with Ron or Rand Paul. Because they disagree with you.


NOTE: To those of you who have ordained yourself to be the lynch mob against mentioning Trump on this forum. You go after people who have been long-time members of this forum because they don't share your level of venom about Trump, yet it appears to be just fine with you to let Erowe run around lying about Ron and Rand's stands on immigration. Really? Because I think this is way more damaging to Ron and Rand than what is currently giving you high blood pressure.
 
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Maybe you're correct on that. But I just thought of it as a term coined by some internet conservatives who were finding the term RINO to be a bit tame; and wanted to get the same woodie from their political forums which they got from their favorite category of porn sites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckservative
"Cuckservative", a portmanteau of "cuckold" and "conservative", is a neologism and an epithet, primarily used by those on the American political far-right. The term is used to criticize other conservatives and/or Republicans, whom they believe to hold positions which are at odds with authentic conservatism, particularly associated with issues such as immigration, multiculturalism, and changing demographics.

Use
Jeet Heer of The New Republic wrote that the word is a "fine example of how the sound of a word can reinforce its meaning: abrasive on the ears, cuckservative appropriately enough has an ugly origin and meaning".[1] The word was most popularly adopted in mid-2015 by some web users disapproving of the attempts by John McCain, Jeb Bush and other Republicans to establish more politically liberal positions, dubbing those who did "cuckservatives". Over a matter of weeks, the term then proceeded to attain usage additionally on social media and the wider internet.[1]

Writing for Hot Air, Taylor Millard criticized the word and its history of usage of by white nationalists within the conservative movement. He called it short-sighted, giving his opinion that Rand Paul's popularity at leading majority-black universities could make African-Americans more conservative in the future.[2] Matt Lewis, in The Daily Beast, gave his opinion that the word could become as popular with Republicans as "RINO" (Republican In Name Only), even if they were oblivious to its often racial connotations. Erick Erickson, of right-wing website RedState.com, called the word an insult to Christian Republicans by white supremacists.[3] Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart News, however, challenged the rhetoric that the term was purely racist, highlighting that "cuck" had long been used on 4chan as a term to attack any individual considered cowardly or lacking in principles.[4] Writing in The Washington Post, David Weigel described the term as arising from disaffected elements of the right wing.[5]

Elizabeth Nolan Brown of Reason argues that the Democratic party uses constant appeal of identity politics to various minority groups, and that the Republican party is at a crossroads in whether to accept a form of White identity politics.[6]

I've only seen the term used here at Ron Paul Forums. But these descriptions match with how I've seen it used here. Any time Ron and Rand Paul fail to take enough pride in their white heritage and courageously advance the cause of the betterment of white Americans, the Trump trolls smear them as cuckservatives.
 
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Erowe, don't conflate your open borders wet dream with anything having to do with Ron or Rand Paul. Because they disagree with you.


NOTE: To those of you who have ordained yourself to be the lynch mob against mentioning Trump on this forum. You go after people who have been long-time members of this forum because they don't share your level of venom about Trump, yet it appears to be just fine with you to let Erowe run around lying about Ron and Rand's stands on immigration. Really? Because I think this is way more damaging to Ron and Rand than what is currently giving you high blood pressure.

What do they disagree with me about? And when have I ever lied about their positions? Go check NumbersUSA.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuckservative
I've only seen the term used here at Ron Paul Forums. But these descriptions match with how I've seen it used here. Any time Ron and Rand Paul fail to take enough pride in their white heritage and courageously advance the cause of the betterment of white Americans, the Trump trolls smear them as cuckservatives.

While you lie about Ron and Rand's position on immigration?
 
What do they disagree with me about? And when have I ever lied about their positions? Go check NumbersUSA.

You damn well know. They are not for open borders. You are. And you claim that they are too.
 
You damn well know. They are not for open borders. You are. And you claim that they are too.

All I've said is that for all intents and purposes Ron is, based on his actual accurately represented positions, and that Rand is close. That's a true statement. If you disagree with me, that's a matter of your opinion. But when it comes to factual statement of what their positions are, I don't think you can find me ever lying about them.
 
What you said was, "No one said they hated immigrants. They said they didn't like ILLEGAL immigrants."

Those are your exact words.

As you are now explaining, that was a lie. It's not just illegal immigrants you hate. It's immigrants, legal or not. And you want illegal immigration to stay illegal.

What you said isn't even logical.

:rolleyes:
 
All I've said is that for all intents and purposes Ron is, based on his actual accurately represented positions, and that Rand is close. That's a true statement. If you disagree with me, that's a matter of your opinion. But when it comes to factual statement of what their positions are, I don't think you can find me ever lying about them.

Nope.

They don't agree with you.

Ron has said more than once that without borders, there is no nation. That might please you. Don't remember. But, it is not something Ron wants.
 
What you said isn't even logical.

Yes it is. And you keep doing it, no matter how many times it's pointed out to you.

You can't pretend that the only reason you're against illegal immigration is because it happens to be illegal, but that you otherwise wouldn't oppose it, and then turn around and say that you're also against legalizing it, so that it wouldn't be illegal any more. The fact that you want it to stay illegal proves that you're against the immigration itself, and not merely against it because it involves breaking some law.
 
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