When Does Open Immigration Become An Invasion?

[LibertyEagle]

Its only considered invasion by people who are upset that the welfare is being dipped into.....

No, it's more than that. We used to be picky about who we let immigrate here and we also let them in in small enough numbers such that they could assimilate into our culture. Also, the people who were allowed here wanted to become Americans and yes, had to be self-sufficient or have someone sponsoring them; not to mention be tested to try to keep those carrying diseases out.

None of this is the case now.

 

[fr33]

No, it's more than that. We used to be picky about who we let immigrate here and we also let them in in small enough numbers such that they could assimilate into our culture.

We also used to be less picky about it than we are now. As a conservative, what narrative are you trying to conserve?

 

[thoughtomator]

We also used to be less picky about it than we are now. As a conservative, what narrative are you trying to conserve?

How can you be less picky than an open invitation to whomever wants to crawl over the border and poop out a kid that they will get fully subsidized first-world coverage for the birth and give the kid citizenship, to boot?

We don't even get to pick. They are picking themselves.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We also used to be less picky about it than we are now. As a conservative, what narrative are you trying to conserve?

I don't think so.

Narrative? Are you thinking founding principles? American culture? What?

 

[TheTexan]

What if a giant space snail ejaculates all over us and we drown?
Woulda, coulda, and shoulda all mean
DIDN'T

Never happened, not gonna happen.

Kinda like anarchy.

Bam!

 

[William Tell]

What if China started shipping soldiers over? Just marching them across the border? Not firing a shot, just marching into the country, and straight into the voting booth, electing Chinese governors and mayors and a Chinese president? They could conquer America without firing a shot.

What if government policy encouraged millions of socialists to immigrate to the United States and vote for socialist dictators? Oh wait.

All this^^^

But the open border folks simply don't care. Their love for open borders seems to come before common sense.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So, one person actually watched the video?

 

[fr33]

How can you be less picky than an open invitation to whomever wants to crawl over the border and poop out a kid that they will get fully subsidized first-world coverage for the birth and give the kid citizenship, to boot?

We don't even get to pick. They are picking themselves.

I don't think so.

Narrative? Are you thinking founding principles? American culture? What?

There used to be a time when people came over here and paid a little bit of money and then they became citizens almost immediately instead of what we have today. Back then rich people didn't buy their way in like they do now. Dumb farmers from Germany came over here easily and settled the midwest. They didn't even speak the english language. Nowadays you have to wait in line for decades, while people like y'all bitch about law breakers instead of the ridiculous laws.

 

[timosman]

When Does Open Immigration Become An Invasion?

Never. Our glorious nation has an unlimited capacity for new immigrants and can accept as many people as we want. Pumping 1 million people into our country in a year is not a big deal. It has a great effect on our prosperous economy and has a very positive impact on deficits and wages. It actually helps us raise living standards of all hard working citizens as the immigrants usually make way more than the natives. The work ethic of immigrants can put natives to shame. After escaping terrible conditions in their home country these people will do anything for their new homeland, especially for the ruling class. I have never heard an immigrant complaining about the work conditions and, unlike many natives, demand fair treatment, living wage, work life balance and other crazy ideas which clearly have no place in the modern economy. We need to become as efficient as possible, work more hours and should not question authority. There are, unfortunately, some people who clearly do not see things for what they are. We should make sure we have enough spots reserved for them in the reeducation camps. Like, for example, this crazy lady:

 

[kcchiefs6465]

What if China started shipping soldiers over? Just marching them across the border? Not firing a shot, just marching into the country, and straight into the voting booth, electing Chinese governors and mayors and a Chinese president? They could conquer America without firing a shot.

What if we didn't vote to strip others of their rights?

America was conquered long ago if freedom is your criterion for determining if a country is or is not 'conquered.'

I've asked that same exact question of the open-borders fanatics, and they have absolutely no answer. They simply do not believe in self defense on any scale larger than the personal.

The question assumes a few things. That's more the reason why it's not responded to.

"What if they come and vote?"

The question is fallacious. You are assuming things to make your position seem more logical.

As Devil'sAdvocate said, "What if they elect [Chinese] governors?" Well what if we didn't have governors for them to elect? Oh nevermind that. 'We' just steer clear of the question as it is so concretely sound it cannot possibly be addressed.

How could you expect them to believe in self defense of the nation when they don't even want you to have a gun for self defense?

I advocate that everyone bare arms, if possible, actually. I am unequivocally in favor of self-defense. Like when a friend I went to school with shot and killed two of the three men who attempted to rob him. Nothing gives me more satisfaction than instant karma.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

All this^^^

But the open border folks simply don't care. Their love for open borders seems to come before common sense.

See. It isn't my love for open borders, it is my love for freedom. It would be just as sophistic to say, "Their love for drugs seems to come before common sense," with regards to ending the drug war. One does not have to endorse immigration as benevolent to declare closed borders an authoritarian concept. Though me personally, I admire the hard working sort. I'd salute them. It is truly a shame that productive people are so railroaded by current society while tapeworms grow and prosper.

If I were for deporting anyone, I'd keep the Hispanic work force and deport the police. One would have some leg to stand on when speaking of an "invasion," then.

And yes, I don't care.

I don't care if ending the Federal Reserve causes some discomfort for a country living beyond its means, either.

 

[Ender]

See. It isn't my love for open borders, it is my love for freedom. It would be just as sophistic to say, "Their love for drugs seems to come before common sense," with regards to ending the drug war. One does not have to endorse immigration as benevolent to declare closed borders an authoritarian concept. Though me personally, I admire the hard working sort. I'd salute them. It is truly a shame that productive people are so railroaded by current society while tapeworms grow and prosper.

If I were for deporting anyone, I'd keep the Hispanic work force and deport the police. One would have some leg to stand on when speaking of an "invasion," then.

And yes, I don't care.

I don't care if ending the Federal Reserve causes some discomfort for a country living beyond its means, either.

Agree on all points.

It is also rather amusing to see a country of people where 999.999% come from immigrants, hating immigrants.

Oh the irony.

 

[LibertyEagle]

There used to be a time when people came over here and paid a little bit of money and then they became citizens almost immediately instead of what we have today. Back then rich people didn't buy their way in like they do now. Dumb farmers from Germany came over here easily and settled the midwest. They didn't even speak the english language. Nowadays you have to wait in line for decades, while people like y'all bitch about law breakers instead of the ridiculous laws.

Sure, there have been "times" for everything. But, that was back when the country needed people to settle the land. That hasn't been the case for a very long time.

I agree that once someone has been told they can immigrate here, that the process is ridiculously slow and something needs to be done about it. But, sorry, that doesn't follow that it's ok for one ton of people to break our laws and flood across our borders.

This isn't happening by accident. It is just one of the strategies of the one-worlders to bring down our country. And it has been working wonderfully.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Agree on all points.

It is also rather amusing to see a country of people where 999.999% come from immigrants, hating immigrants.

Oh the irony.

No one said they hated immigrants. They said they didn't like ILLEGAL immigrants.

Conflating the two is a leftist tactic.

 

[LibertyEagle]

So, one person actually watched the video?

I did.

 

[Ender]

No one said they hated immigrants. They said they didn't like ILLEGAL immigrants.

Conflating the two is a leftist tactic.

BS.

Making immigrants "illegal" is a neocon tactic.

 

[LibertyEagle]

BS.

Making immigrants "illegal" is a neocon tactic.

lol. No it's not. When I was growing up, they were called ILLEGAL ALIENS and neocons didn't exist then.

It's really very simple. They are ILLEGAL, because they are breaking our immigration laws; they are ALIENS because they are nationals of a different country than our own.

 

[kahless]

I do not remember voting for the policy of making American citizens foreigners on our own homeland.

Legal immigration needs to be suspended until something is done about the invasion of illegals. Rand said he was thinking about integrating the existing illegals as part of the total legal immigration we would normally import over 10 years. I would do that for the ones that have been here for years that have children born here. The rest round up them and send them back.

 

[erowe1]

What if China started shipping soldiers over? Just marching them across the border? Not firing a shot, just marching into the country, and straight into the voting booth, electing Chinese governors and mayors and a Chinese president? They could conquer America without firing a shot.

That is a good thought experiment to illustrate why we should stop recognizing any legitimacy of our elected officials. What you described is really no worse than what we already have now with people from America electing American governors, mayors, and presidents to rule over us.

 

[erowe1]

All this^^^

But the open border folks simply don't care. Their love for open borders seems to come before common sense.

Common sense does not compel me to support democracy. Does it do that for you?