What Elon Musk Really Wants

[acptulsa]

If this propaganda rag is so desperate to play its partisan games on a somewhat higher-functioning audience it reveals something real, or just wants to start the predictive programming on the kind of sheep that can be conned into sterilizing their own children, we shouldn't look because it's leftist? Or are we just ignoring all the evidence today?

This is transparent commie propaganda, and posting it here is clearly an attempt to suppress votes for Trump and get Camela elected so she can turn us into Venezuela and we can go through Atlas Shrugged without Galt's Gulch existing.

Well we knew you're ignoring evidence today. You ignore evidence every day.

 

[asurfaholic]

I didn’t know Elon musk wants to stuff a space x rocket in my brain. Wow, when did he become some evil genius who wants to destroy the fabric of this country?

Lefties are so weird. The hate trump crowd is getting more and more irrational by the day. Maybe one day they will be right about something.

In the meantime - trump and Vance are the only ones talking anything resembling a coherent america first vision. Anti trump folks are ok with a complete baboon and her tampon on a leash getting elected. Elon, surely, will look to profit everything he does. That doesn’t particularly scream some dark conspiracy to destroy America. Harris on the other hand doesn’t even know left from right. Would rather have intelligent and productive people at the positions of power than a retards and freaks.

 

[acptulsa]

Anti trump folks are ok with a complete baboon and her tampon on a leash getting elected.

Where did you pick up that pearl of wisdom?

Pray tell, is this universally true of every single one? Do you suppose there might be one or two people out of a third of a billion who say, why not hate both?

People had just as much resistance to the idea that one could hate both Dubya and Gore equally. Twenty four years later we look downright sensible for having done that back then, don't we?

 

[TheTexan]

Here's a couple Elon Musk quotes taken from: https://www.teslarati.com/elon-musk-tesla-spacex-subsidies/

Do some research before you display your utter ignorance. SpaceX gets no subsidies and received half as much as Boeing for astronaut transport, but did 100 percent of the work.

As for Tesla, take a minute to read our public filings and you will see that EV incentives represent a minor part of our revenue. On the other hand, oil & gas companies get massive tax breaks that exceed those given to the EV industry by several orders of magnitude.

Wake up.

Take away the subsidies. It will only help Tesla. Also, remove subsidies from all industries!

 

[acptulsa]

Nicely spun.

SpaceX gets no subsidies and received half as much as Boeing for astronaut transport

Gets, not has never gotten. Still makes a pretty penny putting up the satellites that use the latest tech to spy on us.

As for Tesla, take a minute to read our public filings and you will see that EV incentives represent a minor part of our revenue. On the other hand, oil & gas companies get massive tax breaks that exceed those given to the EV industry by several orders of magnitude.

Sure, take away the subsidies -- as soon as you implement the ban on internal combustion, right Elon?

Yeah, sure, this guy has nothing at all to do with the Deep State. Whatever, people. Talk about deranged.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I believe that I answered his question.

I wasn't referring to whether you had answered his question or not. I was pointing out the bizarre non sequitur of inferring that he thought or believed that "Trump and Elon are Randian in philosophy". It was the OP article that implied that, not AF. AF merely asked why that would be a bad thing if it were true. Sadly, it is not true (nor did AF suggest that it was).

Furthermore, "sides" aside, subsidizing [via forced/"efficient" taxation], as well as government central planning of philosophical ideas, are contrary to a free society and individuals/voluntarists wanting to be left alone.

It's also completely contrary to everything Ayn Rand wrote and advocated. That's why the article you posted is such asinine twaddle (bold emphasis added):

"[Musk's] entanglement with Trump will be an Ayn Rand novel sprung to life, because Trump has explicitly invited Musk into the government to play the role of the master engineer, who redesigns the American state - and therefore American life - in his own image."
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Contrary to the illiterate jackass who wrote that, John Galt (unlike Elon Musk) did exactly the opposite - even when the moochers "explicitly invited" (and even outright begged) him to be their "economic dictator" (or "master engineer", as the illiterate jackass puts it).

 

[TheTexan]

If we're being real here, and I think [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] even admitted this somewhere else perhaps (or maybe that was about RFK), his hate on Elon isn't really even about subsidies (because there's not even much substance there to hate Elon on), but rather because of Elon's approval and association with Trump. That's pretty much it.

Elon hate pretty much always is cus of his relationship with Trump.

 

[acptulsa]

This is transparent commie propaganda, and posting it here is clearly an attempt to suppress votes for Trump and get Camela elected so she can turn us into Venezuela and we can go through Atlas Shrugged without Galt's Gulch existing.

It's also completely contrary to everything Ayn Rand wrote and advocated. That's why the article you posted is such asinine twaddle:

That's a perfect illustration of why any attempt to censor Marxist propaganda is as evil as their attempts at censorship.

There's certainly no question that it's transparent, and if it's transparent it's not a threat. And it could be predictive programming, in which case it's a useful warning. In any case, it pays to know what they're feeding the brainwashed masses. Censoring it would do the cause of liberty more harm than good by far.

So why assume it's an attempt to suppress anything, except whatever they're trying to accomplish by publishing it? We aren't children who need our cartoons screened for us.

 

[TheTexan]

Sure, take away the subsidies -- as soon as you implement the ban on internal combustion, right Elon?

Asking for a free market, without interference, is a "ban on internal combustion"?

Talk about deranged.

^Yea, no kidding

 

[acptulsa]

If we're being real here, and I think [MENTION=40029]PAF[/MENTION] even admitted this somewhere else perhaps (or maybe that was about RFK), his hate on Elon isn't really even about subsidies (because there's not even much substance there to hate Elon on), but rather because of Elon's approval and association with Trump. That's pretty much it.

Elon hate pretty much always is cus of his relationship with Trump.

If we're being real here, I don't think PAF hates Musk, or Carlson, or anyone not directly related to the killing. I think he doesn't trust the agendas of either one of them. And yes, they certainly have agendas.

Are you mistaking hate for the agenda for hate for the men? Because that fucker Tucker is just pretty darned likeable.

You're right about one thing. An association with Trump doesn't increase PAF's level of trust in anyone or anything. You understood why, four years ago, before your disappointment in Trump was tempered by four years of The Clown Show (starring Chester the Molester and Harris the Hyena) deliberately trashing our nation. That kind of thing makes even crappy ass Trump look halfway decent, doesn't it?

The deranged are those thinking this is going anywhere good by any means other than God's intervention.

 

[TheTexan]

If we're being real here, I don't think PAF hates Musk, or Carlson, or anyone not directly related to the killing. I think he doesn't trust the agendas of either one of them. And yes, they certainly have agendas.

Carlson's agenda seems pretty clear to me. Basically copy and paste SS's agenda, crop out maybe some of the Mormon fundamentalism, add in a little podcast money agenda, and that's pretty much Tucker Carlson's agenda. Which I don't have any problem with personally.

Are you mistaking hate for the agenda for hate for the men? Because that fucker Tucker is just pretty darned likeable.

Whatever you want to call it. Hate, dislike, distrust, individual-directed malcontentedness, these are all petals plucked from the same rose

And yes, Tucker is pretty darned likeable... too likeable...

 

[acptulsa]

Well, you hate the Democrat agenda. And if that's the Uniparty agenda and the GOP is just being sneaky about it, you hate the GOP agenda too -- whether you see it or not.

Fact is, crap like drag queens and imported criminals are just tools the deep state is using to stir us up and piss us off. The things they really care about plenty of Congressional Republicans care about too.

 

[TheTexan]

Well, you hate the Democrat agenda. And if that's the Uniparty agenda and the GOP is just being sneaky about it, you hate the GOP agenda too -- whether you see it or not.

For the most part yea I do hate the GOP agenda. Cus it is the Democrat agenda.

The only parts of the GOP agenda I like, is the <=10% that isn't also the Democrat agenda.

 

[acptulsa]

For the most part yea I do hate the GOP agenda. Cus it is the Democrat agenda.

The only parts of the GOP agenda I like, is the <=10% that isn't also the Democrat agenda.

Both parties are being used to divide us and pit us at each other's throats. Yet they agree on 90% of stuff.

We're being played, and Trump is unquestionably one of the playas. Musk is another.

 

[TheTexan]

Both parties are being used to divide us and pit us at each other's throats.

Good

 

[TheTexan]

We're being played, and Trump is unquestionably one of the playas. Musk is another.

For Musk, I have to ask, to what end? What do you presume his agenda is.

 

[acptulsa]

For Musk, I have to ask, to what end? What do you presume his agenda is.

You audition for a play. The director is so impressed with your versatility he offers you a choice: Do you want to play a good guy or a bad guy? Knowing you, you'd probably ask for the black hat. But Musk probably sees more future profits playing the good guy.

And yes, obviously Trump's the good guy. The Democrats have even adopted the Vader Family. More established actors like the Cheneys don't get to choose. Their poll numbers determine if they're good or bad guys, and strangely enough, the bad guys are all Democrats now.

How do you eliminate elections forever? Make the DNC insanely unpopular and implode it. People will be relieved that there won't be any more elections.

 

[TheTexan]

You audition for a play. The director is so impressed with your versatility he offers you a choice: Do you want to play a good guy or a bad guy? Knowing you, you'd probably ask for the black hat. But Musk probably sees more future profits playing the good guy.

So.. Elon's primary motivation is money? That doesn't track with what I've seen. He's taken a lot of risks with his wealth, including but not limited to, pissing off people like you with his memes and general relationship with Trump, that so far, has only had negative effects for his businesses and personal wealth.

If you want to try to say he's playing the "long game"... then I guess, sure. Seems a bit of a convoluted of a plan. Most theater scripts don't get into that levels of 7-d villain chess.

I don't know Elon Musk but I know his type. His primary motivation is science and technology. He's legit passionate about that stuff. And just because he is wealthy doesn't automatically make him a bad dude lol.

 

[acptulsa]

So.. Elon's primary motivation is money?

I doubt it, except so far as money makes other things possible, as in, is power.

When, not if, Trump is ultimately installed, will he or some Cheney be in a better position to do -- whatever?

And just because he is wealthy doesn't automatically make him a bad dude lol.

An infant isn't a bad dude either, but hand him a hammer and I'll watch him like a hawk. I can trust the infant generally and still not trust him with a hammer. Musk is no infant, but maybe the power in god money should be reserved for God.

 

[TheTexan]

I doubt it, except so far as money makes other things possible, as in, is power.

When, not if, Trump is ultimately installed, will he or some Cheney be in a better position to do -- whatever?

Besides the obvious? I mean, the obvious benefit if Trump wins, that Elon has made no secret of, is that his businesses will no longer be the targets of personal vendettas by the federal government.

Did you mean something else, besides that?