Trump Supporters Are GW Bush Supporters LARPing As Ron Paul Supporters

[Theocrat]

You Can't See the "Ron Paul Forums" Sign

Time will tell.

I'm not going to change your mind and you won't change mine, only Trump's actions for the next 5 years will.

I'm not trying to change your mind because you've already swallowed the "Blue Pill." So, for you, ignorance is bliss.

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not trying to change your mind because you've already swallowed the "Blue Pill." So, for you, ignorance is bliss.

That's what someone who swallowed the black pill would say.

 

[Ender]

You can't call someone like Edward Snowden "a total traitor," but then turn around and claim you're going to "drain the swamp." The two sentiments are simply contradictory.

Yep.

 

[PAF]

I'm not trying to change your mind because you've already swallowed the "Blue Pill." So, for you, ignorance is bliss.

It is fruitless, I and others have tried. It is not so much that ignorance is bliss in this case, SS is a “very good republican” [ie: Statist with a capital S].

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Is there a Trump supporter here that would have taken Trump over Rand?

I don't think so.

I took Trump over Rand because Rand didn't have the chutzpah to deal with these criminals, IMHO. However, as of late, Rand has been impressively going afters these criminals and I believe he has a really good mentor that has shown him the way.

And she's far far from the most extreme Trump supporter here.

There are a lot who took Trump over Hillary. I don't think they were "duped." I think they knew they had a crappy choice and went with the least crappy.

If they thought he would be less crappy, they were duped. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

The same thing is likely to happen this year.

In the mean time, the r3volution is doing absolutely nothing to prepare for 2024. We're pretty good at bitching and moaning though.

This is true. Part of the reason is that half of the movement has been suckered back into the swamp by Trump's siren song, and half of the ones who didn't get suckered by Trump think that anyone who complains about people being suckered is "deranged ". Seriously multiple members have repeatedly said over many years that they chose Trump over Rand; let's not bury our heads in the sand.

Some people here have TDDS: Trump derangement derangement syndrome.

 

[devil21]

Is it to early to start the Rand2024 thread?

"I Stand with Rand"?

"Randstanding"? lol

"Join the Randwagon" - LOL

"Randeros" - supporters of Rand

Dude, those are pretty catchy! "Randstanding" "Randstanders" very nice.

The general public already knew about collusions amongst the FBI, CIA, and State Department before there was a conspiracy against Donald Trump and his associates, and that knowledge was escalated through Edward Snowden's whistleblowing. Trump hasn't woken anyone up to that, and he should've been exposing our intelligence community from the beginning, not when it was politically expedient for himself.

Nonetheless, Trump thinks Snowden ought to be dealt with harshly, as recorded in the video above. And for what?

What Trump never does is point out who the Deep State is, outside of Swordy's mere surface labels like "it's teh FBI". Nothing about who the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc really work for. Nothing about the CFR and the CFR's parent org, the RIIA, in London, for example. What has been "exposed" is surface level nonsense to divert deeper investigation into who's really running things in this country, and has for a long time, and therefore who is running Trump and our cherished national elections overall.

 

[RonZeplin]

If they thought he would be less crappy, they were duped. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

Trump = Hillary = America's worst.

 

[TheTexan]

Is it to early to start the Rand2024 thread?

"I Stand with Rand"?

"Randstanding"? lol

"Join the Randwagon" - LOL

"Randeros" - supporters of Rand

I could get behind a Don Jr / Rand ticket with Rand as VP

 

[Anti Federalist]

Trump didn't peel off the Ron Paulers.

Bernie did.

A large percentage, perhaps a majority of the Ron people, had no interest in limited government and liberty, but were in fact just lefties driven by weed legalization, queeer marriage or were anti-war.

Once a perceived better fit came along in the shape of Bernie, they were gone.

Which left the remaining few of us standing around looking like dickheads and wondering what happened.

 

[TheTexan]

Trump didn't peel off the Ron Paulers.

Bernie did.

A large percentage, perhaps a majority of the Ron people, had no interest in limited government and liberty, but were in fact just lefties driven by weed legalization, queeer marriage or were anti-war.

Once a perceived better fit came along in the shape of Bernie, they were gone.

Free is popular

 

[The Rebel Poet]

Trump didn't peel off the Ron Paulers.

Bernie did.

A large percentage, perhaps a majority of the Ron people, had no interest in limited government and liberty, but were in fact just lefties driven by weed legalization, queeer marriage or were anti-war.

Once a perceived better fit came along in the shape of Bernie, they were gone.

Which left the remaining few of us standing around looking like dickheads and wondering what happened.

Trump did peel off the Ron Paulers.

Bernie also did.

Two thirds of the Ron people had no interest in limited government and liberty, but were either just lefties driven by weed legalization, queeer marriage or were anti-war, or right wingers driven by lower taxes, deregulation, or were anti-immigrant.

Once perceived better fits came along in the shape of Bernie and Trump respectively, they were gone.

Which left the remaining few of us standing around looking like dickheads and wondering what happened.

 

[TheCount]

You're missing the point, Swordsmyth.

He's not missing the point, he's actively avoiding it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Trump did peel off the Ron Paulers.

This is anecdotal of course, but I have yet to meet a single one.

Any of the "rightist" or "paleo" types like me, that I know of, dug in their heels in 2016 and either refused, wrote in, voted LP or what have you.

Even in 2016 I saw large numbers of ex-Paulers that were now in the Bernie camp.

The of the former, like myself, that have grudgingly decided to support Trump in 2020 do so only after 4 year of watching what has been happening.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

With close to 90% Republicans supporting Trump (allegedly, going by MSM polls) while he is sending thousands of more troops to mideast/escalating military strikes in Iraq AND about same %age of Republicans supporting Bush-Cheney during 3rd year of Buh term, there has to be a strong overlap between supporters of neocons led Bush-Cheney and globalist neocons funded Trump.

But Trump is not as disciplined and committed to any principle, even though both claimed to be Biblical Christians. Trump seems to go with the winds of populism and may have been even bigger interventionist than Bush-Cheney in 2003 when 70% of public supported Iraq freedom invasion.
On global internventions, more of the same but on social issues Trump is Left wing whereas Bush remained Right wing while he was in office. On gun control, LGBTQ civil rights/gay marriage (Bush second election startegy's major issue to mobilize GOP base) and to an extent on abortion/diversity models Trump is aligned with Lieft/Progressive Liberals. Part of it could be changing times/drifting Republican morality and part of it could be due to 'follow the money doctrine' as Trump's top donor couple are American-Israeli "democrats" with history of funding dems/liberals.

 

[RPtotheWH]

Trump didn't peel off the Ron Paulers.

Bernie did.

A large percentage, perhaps a majority of the Ron people, had no interest in limited government and liberty, but were in fact just lefties driven by weed legalization, queeer marriage or were anti-war.

Once a perceived better fit came along in the shape of Bernie, they were gone.

Which left the remaining few of us standing around looking like $#@!s and wondering what happened.

How true, I was on here lurking everyday back in 2010-2012, it sure has changed. Now it seems there is a shill from every campaign here, communists, and any old posters seem pretty bitter. Everything is still a conspiracy though, so that is still fun.

 

[RonZeplin]

With close to 90% Republicans supporting Trump (allegedly, going by MSM polls) while he is sending thousands of more troops to mideast/escalating military strikes in Iraq AND about same %age of Republicans supporting Bush-Cheney during 3rd year of Buh term, there has to be a strong overlap between supporters of neocons led Bush-Cheney and globalist neocons funded Trump.

But Trump is not as disciplined and committed to any principle, even though both claimed to be Biblical Christians. Trump seems to go with the winds of populism and may have been even bigger interventionist than Bush-Cheney in 2003 when 70% of public supported Iraq freedom invasion.
On global internventions, more of the same but on social issues Trump is Left wing whereas Bush remained Right wing while he was in office. On gun control, LGBTQ civil rights/gay marriage (Bush second election startegy's major issue to mobilize GOP base) and to an extent on abortion/diversity models Trump is aligned with Lieft/Progressive Liberals. Part of it could be changing times/drifting Republican morality and part of it could be due to 'follow the money doctrine' as Trump's top donor couple are American-Israeli "democrats" with history of funding dems/liberals.

The leftist trumpkin bushbots are on the ash-heap of history.

 

[nobody's_hero]

This is anecdotal of course, but I have yet to meet a single one.

Any of the "rightist" or "paleo" types like me, that I know of, dug in their heels in 2016 and either refused, wrote in, voted LP or what have you.

Even in 2016 I saw large numbers of ex-Paulers that were now in the Bernie camp.

The of the former, like myself, that have grudgingly decided to support Trump in 2020 do so only after 4 year of watching what has been happening.

It's hard for me not to look to anecdotal evidence as to why Trump is a net benefit for moving the ball forward.

If y'all only knew my mother. This is a woman who hadn't voted since Bill Clinton's first run in the early 90's.

You can imagine my shock when, in 2016 for the first time in my adult life, she voted in an election and I didn't.

I couldn't get her to watch anything Paul-related during either of Ron's first two runs but now I've got her watching Rand interviews and she's no longer apathetic. She didn't disagree with Ron Paul at the time, she just didn't care.

I don't know what it is about Trump, but he's giving us an opening to reach people, but instead of pushing forward with the message there's a lot of folks doing what libertarians usually do, which is go pout in a corner, blowing every opportunity that comes along regardless of how large or small it is.

 

[Ender]

Trump did peel off the Ron Paulers.

Bernie also did.

Two thirds of the Ron people had no interest in limited government and liberty, but were either just lefties driven by weed legalization, queeer marriage or were anti-war, or right wingers driven by lower taxes, deregulation, or were anti-immigrant.

Once perceived better fits came along in the shape of Bernie and Trump respectively, they were gone.

Which left the remaining few of us standing around looking like $#@!s and wondering what happened.

Pretty much my POV.

 

[Ender]

If they thought he would be less crappy, they were duped. Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.


This is true. Part of the reason is that half of the movement has been suckered back into the swamp by Trump's siren song, and half of the ones who didn't get suckered by Trump think that anyone who complains about people being suckered is "deranged ". Seriously multiple members have repeatedly said over many years that they chose Trump over Rand; let's not bury our heads in the sand.

Some people here have TDDS: Trump derangement derangement syndrome.

TRUTH!

 

[Sammy]

With close to 90% Republicans supporting Trump (allegedly, going by MSM polls) while he is sending thousands of more troops to mideast/escalating military strikes in Iraq AND about same %age of Republicans supporting Bush-Cheney during 3rd year of Buh term, there has to be a strong overlap between supporters of neocons led Bush-Cheney and globalist neocons funded Trump.

But Trump is not as disciplined and committed to any principle, even though both claimed to be Biblical Christians. Trump seems to go with the winds of populism and may have been even bigger interventionist than Bush-Cheney in 2003 when 70% of public supported Iraq freedom invasion.
On global internventions, more of the same but on social issues Trump is Left wing whereas Bush remained Right wing while he was in office. On gun control, LGBTQ civil rights/gay marriage (Bush second election startegy's major issue to mobilize GOP base) and to an extent on abortion/diversity models Trump is aligned with Lieft/Progressive Liberals. Part of it could be changing times/drifting Republican morality and part of it could be due to 'follow the money doctrine' as Trump's top donor couple are American-Israeli "democrats" with history of funding dems/liberals.

Bill Kristol,David Frum, Max Boot & some other Neocons left the Republican Party because of Trump opposition to the Iraq war.
The are the same people who said Pat Buchanan & Ron Paul should leave the Republican Party.
I'm thankful to Trump for this alone!