Trump Supporters Are GW Bush Supporters LARPing As Ron Paul Supporters

[Swordsmyth]

Dude, those are pretty catchy! "Randstanding" "Randstanders" very nice.




What Trump never does is point out who the Deep State is, outside of Swordy's mere surface labels like "it's teh FBI". Nothing about who the FBI, CIA, NSA, etc really work for. Nothing about the CFR and the CFR's parent org, the RIIA, in London, for example. What has been "exposed" is surface level nonsense to divert deeper investigation into who's really running things in this country, and has for a long time, and therefore who is running Trump and our cherished national elections overall.

The MSM would crucify him as a conspiracy theorist.
That's why Q takes care of that kind of thing.

 

[Swordsmyth]

It's hard for me not to look to anecdotal evidence as to why Trump is a net benefit for moving the ball forward.

If y'all only knew my mother. This is a woman who hadn't voted since Bill Clinton's first run in the early 90's.

You can imagine my shock when, in 2016 for the first time in my adult life, she voted in an election and I didn't.

I couldn't get her to watch anything Paul-related during either of Ron's first two runs but now I've got her watching Rand interviews and she's no longer apathetic. She didn't disagree with Ron Paul at the time, she just didn't care.

I don't know what it is about Trump, but he's giving us an opening to reach people, but instead of pushing forward with the message there's a lot of folks doing what libertarians usually do, which is go pout in a corner, blowing every opportunity that comes along regardless of how large or small it is.

And beating people off with sticks for not being pure enough.

 

[Theocrat]

Not Alike

It's hard for me not to look to anecdotal evidence as to why Trump is a net benefit for moving the ball forward.

If y'all only knew my mother. This is a woman who hadn't voted since Bill Clinton's first run in the early 90's.

You can imagine my shock when, in 2016 for the first time in my adult life, she voted in an election and I didn't.

I couldn't get her to watch anything Paul-related during either of Ron's first two runs but now I've got her watching Rand interviews and she's no longer apathetic. She didn't disagree with Ron Paul at the time, she just didn't care.

I don't know what it is about Trump, but he's giving us an opening to reach people, but instead of pushing forward with the message there's a lot of folks doing what libertarians usually do, which is go pout in a corner, blowing every opportunity that comes along regardless of how large or small it is.

And beating people off with sticks for not being pure enough.

Nobody is stopping you from pushing forward with "the message"; but don't confuse your message with being of the same essence as Dr. Ron Paul's because it's not. That's the problem. Those of you who support Trump are not in the same camp as those of us who have fought, taught, and advocated for the principles of a true, Constitutional republic that emphasizes things like the preservation of God-given rights, advancement of sound money and a true free-market system that doesn't have central banking at its core, a sensible and diplomatic foreign policy where we aren't policing the world and bribing foreign nations in order to steal their national resources, etc.

So if you want to support the "Orange Man," then go ahead. But don't ever define your efforts as being the same as forwarding the causes which Dr. Ron Paul stood for during his campaigns. Start your own forums, gather your own grassroots, and preach the "Gospel of MAGA" to all who will hear it, but you seriously need to leave this place and stop trying to evangelize those who have higher standards of liberty and freedom than you do.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Nobody is stopping you from pushing forward with "the message"; but don't confuse your message with being of the same essence as Dr. Ron Paul's because it's not. That's the problem. Those of you who support Trump are not in the same camp as those of us who have fought, taught, and advocated for the principles of a true, Constitutional republic that emphasizes things like the preservation of God-given rights, advancement of sound money and a true free-market system that doesn't have central banking at its core, a sensible and diplomatic foreign policy where we aren't policing the world and bribing foreign nations in order to steal their national resources, etc.

So if you want to support the "Orange Man," then go ahead. But don't ever define your efforts as being the same as forwarding the causes which Dr. Ron Paul stood for during his campaigns. Start your own forums, gather your own grassroots, and preach the "Gospel of MAGA" to all who will hear it, but you seriously need to leave this place and stop trying to evangelize those who have higher standards of liberty and freedom than you do.

Nobody here claims trump is perfect nor would we choose him if we got to appoint the President ourselves.

We support him because he is the least of all possible goods and is moving things in the right direction.

Your "holier than thou" attitude is exactly why libertarians have no real allies and never make any progress.

 

[kahless]

Nobody is stopping you from pushing forward with "the message"; but don't confuse your message with being of the same essence as Dr. Ron Paul's because it's not. That's the problem. Those of you who support Trump are not in the same camp as those of us who have fought, taught, and advocated for the principles of a true, Constitutional republic that emphasizes things like the preservation of God-given rights, advancement of sound money and a true free-market system that doesn't have central banking at its core, a sensible and diplomatic foreign policy where we aren't policing the world and bribing foreign nations in order to steal their national resources, etc.

So if you want to support the "Orange Man," then go ahead. But don't ever define your efforts as being the same as forwarding the causes which Dr. Ron Paul stood for during his campaigns. Start your own forums, gather your own grassroots, and preach the "Gospel of MAGA" to all who will hear it, but you seriously need to leave this place and stop trying to evangelize those who have higher standards of liberty and freedom than you do.

Sounds like the propaganda you were taught to ensure libertarian beliefs are an extreme minority politically in this country. In the real world you have to make sacrifices, alliances, make in roads so you do not lose more of your rights and move us closer in the right direction. Sometimes that means supporting candidates that will erode less of our rights since what is the alternative?

I believe the establishment elites and Socialists have made significant in-roads to ensure libertarians are not and are never a factor politically in this country. They do it through this brainwashing of claiming to be libertarians and then telling people like you to stick to your guns 100% and sit home if you have to at election time. Voter suppression with the intended consequence to move the country further to the left each cycle.

 

[Theocrat]

Grab a Shovel and Stop Staring at Orange Lights

Nobody here claims trump is perfect nor would we choose him if we got to appoint the President ourselves.

We support him because he is the least of all possible goods and is moving things in the right direction.

Your "holier than thou" attitude is exactly why libertarians have no real allies and never make any progress.

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is why our country never makes any progress. Generation after generation, people compromise on the axioms and principles which uphold a free republic, all for the sake of "doing something." The fact that you believe Trump is "moving things in the right direction" illustrates the delusion which is characteristic of those who continue to "vote for the lesser of two evils" instead of voting for what's objectively good.

Under Trump, we still have slaughter of the unborn, inflation of our money supply, continue occupation of foreign lands, violations of the Constitution by the executive branch, incremental sieges of the right to own whatever we want to defend ourselves, and the list goes on. You're so busy looking at treatments of symptoms that you've completely ignored root causes, and because of that, people like you will never make any progress.

So I'm not "holier than thou"; I'm just digging deeper than you are to undermine ideas that keep us in debt, in confusion and turmoil, and most of all, keep us with blood on our hands.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Voting for "the lesser of two evils" is why our country never makes any progress. Generation after generation, people compromise on the axioms and principles which uphold a free republic, all for the sake of "doing something." The fact that you believe Trump is "moving things in the right direction" illustrates the delusion which is characteristic of those who continue to "vote for the lesser of two evils" instead of voting for what's objectively good.

Under Trump, we still have slaughter of the unborn, inflation of our money supply, continue occupation of foreign lands, violations of the Constitution by the executive branch, incremental sieges of the right to own whatever we want to defend ourselves, and the list goes on. You're so busy looking at treatments of symptoms that you've completely ignored root causes, and because of that, people like you will never make any progress.

So I'm not "holier than thou"; I'm just digging deeper than you are to undermine ideas that keep us in debt, in confusion and turmoil, and most of all, keep us with blood on our hands.

Trump is NOT the lesser of two evils, he is least of all possible goods.
He is moving things in the right direction, our enemies didn't get us where we are overnight and we can't undo what they did overnight either.

You are "holier than thou" for telling those of us who choose some progress over demanding perfection and getting nothing that we don't want the same end results you and Ron want.

 

[Theocrat]

Au Contraire, Manchurian Voter

Sounds like the propaganda you were taught to ensure libertarian beliefs are an extreme minority politically in this country. In the real world you have to make sacrifices, alliances, make in roads so you do not lose more of your rights and move us closer in the right direction. Sometimes that means supporting candidates that will erode less of our rights since what is the alternative?

I believe the establishment elites and Socialists have made significant in-roads to ensure libertarians are not and are never a factor politically in this country. They do it through this brainwashing of claiming to be libertarians and then telling people like you to stick to your guns 100% and sit home if you have to at election time. Voter suppression with the intended consequence to move the country further to the left each cycle.

The ballot box is not the only container we need to advance in the right direction. (By the way, you need to make sure you have the right definition of what is "the right direction" before you start moving, but that's another topic.). Besides voting, we also need the soap box, the prayer box, the coin box, and the ammo box. Those are the alternatives we have to work with when there are no candidates worthy of supporting.

Yes, we need to make sacrifices, alliances, etc., and who says that libertarians haven't done that? But choosing not to "vote for the lesser of two evils" has nothing to do with being brainwashed by establishment elites and Socialists. On the contrary, it's those of you who continue to "vote for the lesser of two evils" that have fallen in step with the establishment elites and Socialists because they know they can promote whomever they want, and just as long as that candidate says a percentage of the things which tickle the ears of certain voting blocs, those elites/Socialists know they can remain in power, at the expense of your "ballot box tithe."

That's what you call "voter suppression." So don't blame libertarians or "purists" for the political shifts every election cycle; that's on those of you who vote in fear and not in principle.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Trump supporters are run-of-the-mill GOPers, maybe weighted toward those who especially dislike Obama (Communist Muslim, Hannity, Obama Camps, etc, etc). I've not seen any real change in voting behavior for as long as I've been watching this circus act. Make sure you vote terribly hard, just in case the one partisan hack beats the other.

 

[Theocrat]

Some People Walk and Never Learn to Stand

Trump is NOT the lesser of two evils, he is least of all possible goods.
He is moving things in the right direction, our enemies didn't get us where we are overnight and we can't undo what they did overnight either.

You are "holier than thou" for telling those of us who choose some progress over demanding perfection and getting nothing that we don't want the same end results you and Ron want.

Trump just granted clemency to one of the most crooked politicians in the history of Illinois, and you have the audacity to actually type with the same fingers that you fold in prayers to our God that Trump is a "possible good"? Can you not see how inconsistent you are, Swordsmyth?

For all the death, theft, and debt that our country has been involved in, yes, I'll demand "perfection" instead of "lesser evils" or "least of possible good." There's too much at stake to be compromising our values and standards at this point. Just look at the type of people who continue to occupy the Oval Office, and observe what our chambers of Congress have become. Our children ought to be ashamed of us for the world we're leaving to them.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump just granted clemency to one of the most crooked politicians in the history of Illinois, and you have the audacity to actually type with the same fingers that you fold in prayers to our God that Trump is a "possible good"? Can you not see how inconsistent you are, Swordsmyth?

For all the death, theft, and debt that our country has been involved in, yes, I'll demand "perfection" instead of "lesser evils" or "least of possible good." There's too much at stake to be compromising our values and standards at this point. Just look at the type of people who continue to occupy the Oval Office, and observe what our chambers of Congress have become. Our children ought to be ashamed of us for the world we're leaving to them.

There goes the "holier than thou" again.

It is possible for someone to be imperfect and be more good than bad.

You can demand perfection all you want but what you will get instead is deterioration from lesser and greater evils because you refuse to deal with imperfect goods.
Your way makes things worse.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

With close to 90% Republicans supporting Trump (allegedly, going by MSM polls) while he is sending thousands of more troops to mideast/escalating military strikes in Iraq AND about same %age of Republicans supporting Bush-Cheney during 3rd year of Bush term, there has to be a strong overlap between supporters of neocons led Bush-Cheney and globalist neocons funded Trump.

But Trump is not as disciplined and committed to any principle, even though both claimed to be Biblical Christians. Trump seems to go with the winds of populism and may have been even bigger interventionist than Bush-Cheney in 2003 when 70% of public supported Iraq freedom invasion.
On global internventions, more of the same but on social issues Trump is Left wing whereas Bush remained Right wing while he was in office. On gun control, LGBTQ civil rights/gay marriage (Bush second election strategy's major issue to mobilize GOP base) and to an extent on abortion/diversity models Trump is aligned with Left/Progressive Liberals. Part of it could be changing times/drifting Republican morality and part of it could be due to 'follow the money doctrine' as Trump's top donor couple are American-Israeli "democrats" with history of funding dems/liberals.

Bill Kristol,David Frum, Max Boot & some other Neocons left the Republican Party because of Trump opposition to the Iraq war.
The are the same people who said Pat Buchanan & Ron Paul should leave the Republican Party.
I'm thankful to Trump for this alone!

That is valid point, especially early on when he ran on "ending wars" many right-wing neocons denounced him.
But to be fair, since than quite a few neoconservatives seem to have reversed/come back "home". Dennis "immorality of leaving Iraq" Prager, Daniel Pipes, Lindsey Graham being some of them.

NEXODUS: Neoconservatives from both parties joining GOP-Adelson (MAGA)
True neoconservatives:
- Elliot Abrams (Rubio, Cruz adviser)
- Sheldon Adelson (Billionaire donor, Rubio backer)
- Sen. Kelly Ayotte
- Gary Bauer
- Cofer Black (Romney adviser)
- Brad Blakeman
- John Bolton (Cruz adviser)
...[/QUOTE]

Number two on the neocons master list, who happens to be his top funder, was recently honored by America-First MAGA:

Joe Lieberman
Lindsey Graham
Alan Dershowitz
Nikki Haley
Pompeo
Jarvanka


The Immorality of Leaving Iraq and Afghanistan
By Dennis Prager
Pentagon deploys American troops in Israel
March 10, 2019

The leftist trumpkin bushbots are on the ash-heap of history.

To be fair, Trump has been closer to Hillary , Bill Clinton over the decades than Bush.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

holier than thou

God wants America to exploit its financial position in financing those deficits and the largest welfare state in the world?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

@Swordsmyth,

Are you still suckling on the teet of the middle-aged game show host?

What do you think is going to happen, in terms of the next GDP report, with China basically collapsed?

...referring to the virus.

 

[parocks]

Is there a Trump supporter here that would have taken Trump over Rand?

I don't think so.

There are a lot who took Trump over Hillary. I don't think they were "duped." I think they knew they had a crappy choice and went with the least crappy.

The same thing is likely to happen this year.

In the mean time, the r3volution is doing absolutely nothing to prepare for 2024. We're pretty good at bitching and moaning though.

Our choices are always bad and worse. We're the ones who want the liberty. We never get what we want, it always gets worse.

 

[RonZeplin]

The Best Socialist

The Trumpkin bumpkin bushbots want us to choose the best socialist.

 

[dannno]

@Swordsmyth,

Are you still suckling on the teet of the middle-aged game show host?

What do you think is going to happen, in terms of the next GDP report, with China basically collapsed?

...referring to the virus.

Why did you think that I said that Rand was a Bush supporter?

 

[Theocrat]

...But What Does God Say?

There goes the "holier than thou" again.

It is possible for someone to be imperfect and be more good than bad.

You can demand perfection all you want but what you will get instead is deterioration from lesser and greater evils because you refuse to deal with imperfect goods.
Your way makes things worse.

In light of the quote in your signature from Alexis de Tocqueville, "You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith," can you explain to me where in the Scriptures is the method of "voting for the lesser of two evils (or least of possible goods)" supported as a righteous thing to do?

 

[Swordsmyth]

In light of the quote in your signature from Alexis de Tocqueville, "You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith," can you explain to me where in the Scriptures is the method of "voting for the lesser of two evils (or least of possible goods)" supported as a righteous thing to do?

I do not advocate for voting for the lesser of two evils, a least of all possible goods is good and we are instructed to support good and oppose evil many places in the scriptures.

Here is a good way to think about it:

[h=1]Christians must support Samson–I mean, Donald Trump[/h]

 

[dannno]

In light of the quote in your signature from Alexis de Tocqueville, "You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith," can you explain to me where in the Scriptures is the method of "voting for the lesser of two evils (or least of possible goods)" supported as a righteous thing to do?

Ron Paul isn't perfect, Hillary is pure evil, Trump is somewhere in between those two.

Why not vote for the better candidate?

Ron Paul's main point back in the day was that there was not enough difference between Obama and McCain, or Obama and Romney, Or Bush and Kerry, or Bush and Gore to justify voting for any of them. That was because Bush doubled the size of government and started a bunch of wars, and Obama expanded the wars and Clinton were dropping bombs all over the place as well.

Ron Paul gave Trump a C- and that isn't bad considering pretty much all Presidents get an F. And Trump's grade by the end of his second term will be significantly higher, especially after he winds down these wars in the middle east.