Trump indictment #3: 2020 election & January 6th [US / federal]

Occam's Banana said:
How many phony certifications were accepted/adopted by the Archivist?

How many fake-elector votes were tallied in the electoral college results?
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Under the law of conspiracy it isn't necessary that the conspiracy succeed.

Occam's Banana said:
Remind me: is "browbeating" a misdemeanor or a felony? I forget.
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In this case it's a felony. Almost a month after the December 8 safe harbor date for certifying electors (under the Electoral Count Act certificates filed by this date are conclusive), Trump badgered the Georgia Secretary of State to change the state's certified results by "finding" him 11,780 votes, which violated 18 USC §1512(c)(2).
 
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Sonny Tufts said:
Under the law of conspiracy it isn't necessary that the conspiracy succeed.



In this case it's a felony. Almost a month after the December 8 safe harbor date for certifying electors (under the Electoral Count Act certificates filed by this date are conclusive), Trump badgered the Georgia Secretary of State to change the state's certified results by "finding" him 11,780 votes, which violated 18 USC §1512(c)(2).
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https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1687482416187797504 *


* This is actually the foreperson of the Special Grand Jury convened in February.
 
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Occam's Banana said:
How many phony certifications were accepted/adopted by the Archivist?

How many fake-elector votes were tallied in the electoral college results?

Did Vice President Pence "unilaterally stop the electoral vote count"?
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So it's okay because they failed? Would it have been a crime if they'd succeeded?
 
TheCount said:
Occam's Banana said:
How many phony certifications were accepted/adopted by the Archivist?

How many fake-elector votes were tallied in the electoral college results?

Did Vice President Pence "unilaterally stop the electoral vote count"?
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So it's okay because they failed? Would it have been a crime if they'd succeeded?
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Sure. Why not?

After all, the rules don't seem to matter in other cases - so why should they matter in this one?

Occam's Banana said:
How many phony certifications were accepted/adopted by the Archivist?

How many fake-elector votes were tallied in the electoral college results?

Occam's Banana said:
Entirely regardless of who "really" won which races, there were numerous "irregularities" in clear violation of various election rules and regulations in Maricopa county, Arizona - and yet, not a single person has been charged with any crime (or otherwise been held accountable in any way), despite the fact that those "irregularities" were consequential (even if the ultimate outcome would have been unchanged).

But some schmucks in Michigan sign a worthless piece of paper that had zero consequences of any kind (not even minor ones), and ...

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#AnarchoTyranny
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Did Vice President Pence "unilaterally stop the electoral vote count"?
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(You and Sonny are quite adept at completely ignoring the points that are explicitly being made.)
 
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Sonny Tufts said:
Under the law of conspiracy it isn't necessary that the conspiracy succeed.



In this case it's a felony. Almost a month after the December 8 safe harbor date for certifying electors (under the Electoral Count Act certificates filed by this date are conclusive), Trump badgered the Georgia Secretary of State to change the state's certified results by "finding" him 11,780 votes, which violated 18 USC §1512(c)(2).
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hey psycho, you're just repeating what CNN told you. Use your fking brain. The CONTEXT of the conversation matters. The context is they were discussing potentially illegal invalid votes, i.e. dead people, or people registered in different states voting twice. Trump isn't saying to find him more votes, he is asking to investigate the massive fraud that occurred to invalidate illegal votes that shouldn't be counted for Biden.
 
spudea said:
hey psycho, you're just repeating what CNN told you. Use your fking brain. The CONTEXT of the conversation matters. The context is they were discussing potentially illegal invalid votes, i.e. dead people, or people registered in different states voting twice. Trump isn't saying to find him more votes, he is asking to investigate the massive fraud that occurred to invalidate illegal votes that shouldn't be counted for Biden.
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He lives in a different universe. You'd have better luck talking to a brick wall.
 
Biden’s feds seek to silence Trump over Truth Social post
Special Counsel Jack Smith argued that Trump can't be allowed to talk about the trial.
https://thepostmillennial.com/bidens-feds-seek-to-silence-trump-over-truth-social-post
Thomas Stevenson (05 August 2023)

President Joe Biden's Department of Justice is seeking to silence former President Donald Trump because of his Truth Social post in which Trump stated, "If you go after me, I'm coming for you!"

The DOJ appointed Special Counsel Jack Smith argued on Friday that Trump needs to have a strict court order to silence him about court proceedings.

The DOJ request, that was made hours after Trump posted to Truth Social, says that "the proposed order seeks to prevent... improper dissemination or use of discovery materials, including to the public."
When Trump was arrigned on Thursday, other conditions were announced that could hold Trump "pending trial" if he broke them. This measure would add to the already strict court conditions if approved.

These rules, according to NBC news, include that Trump can not engage in conduct that would influence official court proceedings nor "communicate about the facts of the case to any individual known to be a witness except through counsel."

Prosecutors argued Friday that the measure to keep Trump quiet would be imperative because he has shared information about the other pending indictments against him. Smith cited the post and said that Trump's team will be given evidence, "much of which includes sensitive and confidential information," and was concerned that it would be leaked online.

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If Trump posted the information, the prosecution said it could create a "harmful chilling effect on witnesses or adversely affect the fair administration of justice in this case."

On Friday evening, Trump delivered comments about the indictment in a speech at a Republican fundraiser in Alabama. He commented, “The fake charges put forth in their sham indictment are an outrageous criminalization of political speech. … They’re trying to make it illegal to question the results of a bad election. It was a very bad election."

Since the indictments have come down on Trump, he has still remained strong, with his polling numbers seeming to get a boost in many cases.
 
Occam's Banana said:
Sure. Why not?

After all, the rules don't seem to matter in other cases - so why should they matter in this one?


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(You and Sonny are quite adept at completely ignoring the points that are explicitly being made.)
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Alternatively, you're quite adept at not making any points.
 
TheCount said:
I guess the Republican House should impeach Ray Epps
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"I guess the Republican House should impeach Ray Epps Christopher Wray."

Fixed.

TheCount said:
Alternatively, you're quite adept at not making any points.
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I wondered how long it would be before you resorted to your Pee Wee Herman "I know you are but what am I?" schtick.

(RIP Paul Reubens, BTW.)
 
Occam's Banana said:
"I guess the Republican House should impeach Ray Epps Christopher Wray."

Fixed.
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Will it be for incitement?




Occam's Banana said:
I wondered how long it would be before you resorted to your Pee Wee Herman "I know you are but what am I?" schtick.

(RIP Paul Reubens, BTW.)
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If you have a point aside from "Trump is too incompetent to be successful at crime and therefore is innocent," it's not clear to me.
 
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