Thomas Massie, forum member & elected official, is running a winnable race; let's help!

[BamaFanNKy]

Yeah, but Rand never said that he didn't support his father. He openly admitted to supporting his father in 2008. He's certainly been strong in his support for Ron this time around as well.

I'm not going to argue with you. If you don't understand just stop posting about it.

 

[Jeremy]

Massie has donated a lot to Ron, and he's already shown his disdain for legislation like NDAA/SOPA/PATRIOT Act, etc. He may be more like Rand than Ron on foreign policy, but those differences are minor.

If you require someone to openly endorse Ron to get your support, then Massie isn't your guy. But I'm not going to fault him for that; I know the political reality of elections like this.

I, for one, will be supporting Thomas Massie not because of who he endorses, but because he will stand up for my constitutional rights while in Congress.

Actually Austin, he is open about it.

 

[Brett85]

Um he does admit to supporting Ron on his website, Facebook, with his wallet, etc. Rand Paul said he support Ron in his book too, lol! He just didn't want to talk about POTUS politics and it came across weird. If you don't believe me, wait until someone asks him again I guess...

He must have really messed up in that interview then. It kind of sounded like he was ashamed to say that he supports Ron on television.

 

[Brett85]

I'm not going to argue with you. If you don't understand just stop posting about it.

So I'm supposed to understand that forum members here are supposed to donate money to a guy who goes out of his way to say that Ron is wrong on national security issues and won't even admit that he supports him?

 

[BamaFanNKy]

He must have really messed up in that interview then. It kind of sounded like he was ashamed to say that he supports Ron on television.

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over

 

[Brett85]

You keep saying the same thing over and over and over

You keep refusing to make sense.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

So I'm supposed to understand that forum members here are supposed to donate money to a guy who goes out of his way to say that Ron is wrong on national security issues and won't even admit that he supports him?

No, most forum members can see the 1,000 examples of how he's visually, financially and verbally supported him. You take one misconstrued and twisted distortion in your mind to say he doesn't.

 

[Brett85]

No, most forum members can see the 1,000 examples of how he's visually, financially and verbally supported him. You take one misconstrued and twisted distortion in your mind to say he doesn't.

Again, why would he financially support him but not verbally support him in that interview? You still can't answer that.

 

[Jeremy]

He must have really messed up in that interview then. It kind of sounded like he was ashamed to say that he supports Ron on television.

Look, we have a real liberty candidate here. He has even been active at our forum, especially during the Rand Paul campaign, which happened in his state. (By the way, he's been a member here longer than you.) He supports Ron like all of us. He asked people to donate to Ron on his blog: http://massiehouse.blogspot.com/2011/05/pimping-my-blog-and-promoting-great-man.html

If Ron Paul says something you don't like in a debate, are you going to start calling him a phony or something? No you're not. So instead of being negative, let's just move on and help him get elected.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Again, why would he financially support him but not verbally support him in that interview? You still can't answer that.

Because this isn't about Ron Paul 2012. It's about Liberty. Most people are on here for the message and the cause, not the man.

 

[Adrock]

I remember that Rand has said he doesn't agree with RP's Foreign Policy many times during the campaign and even in interviews lately. If you see what Rand actually says though, he is a lot more like his dad. He just expresses the ideas in a different way. While Ron's spark started everything, I also feel that Rand's style has also converted many that may have initially discounted Ron.

 

[Jeremy]

Again, why would he financially support him but not verbally support him in that interview? You still can't answer that.

Why do you think Rand does something similar? Because people like attacking Ron and use Ron to attack others. Give him a break on his first (?) TV interview.

 

[Brett85]

Why do you think Rand does something similar? Because people like attacking Ron and use Ron to attack others. Give him a break on his first (?) TV interview.

Rand doesn't do anything similar. Rand verbally supports Ron and campaigns with him. It would've been fine for Massie to say where he disagreed with Ron if he had been asked it, but he just brought it up out of the blue. He deserves to have a chance to clarify what he meant, but I'm just pointing out that it was a strange comment to make.

 

[Jeremy]

Rand doesn't do anything similar. Rand verbally supports Ron and campaigns with him. It would've been fine for Massie to say where he disagreed with Ron if he had been asked it, but he just brought it up out of the blue. He deserves to have a chance to clarify what he meant, but I'm just pointing out that it was a strange comment to make.

Well Ron makes plenty of strange comments too, you know. (In other words, we're dealing with humans, not robots)

And don't forget: http://massiehouse.blogspot.com/2011/05/pimping-my-blog-and-promoting-great-man.html

 

[Austin]

Why do you think Rand does something similar? Because people like attacking Ron and use Ron to attack others. Give him a break on his first (?) TV interview.

This.

Rand doesn't do anything similar. Rand verbally supports Ron and campaigns with him. It would've been fine for Massie to say where he disagreed with Ron if he had been asked it, but he just brought it up out of the blue. He deserves to have a chance to clarify what he meant, but I'm just pointing out that it was a strange comment to make.

Rand now verbally supports Ron, but he was not nearly as open about it in the beginning. In fact, Rand made it very clear in the beginning that he and Ron differed on foreign policy. Remember his first ad? It looks like a Santorum or Gingrich ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrVeUWTLXI

Thomas wanted to avoid being pigeonholed as an isolationist or part of blame America crowd. It is not Massie's role to defend Ron's positions. As others have stated, he was a bit brash about it, but it was indeed his first major interview.. give him a break.

 

[Brett85]

I was just criticizing the comments that he made. I wasn't saying that he's a bad candidate or wrong on the issues. We'll see how his future interviews go.

 

[MJU1983]

Interviewer:

"Now, you've also said in some ways you also agree with Ron Paul, his [Rand's] father…uh, is he, the candidate you most agree with in the Presidential race?"

Massie:

Danced around the question, gave some weird looks...doesn't say yes and then says he disagrees with Ron's "defense" policies…?? See: The Constitution of the United States. Then he brings up national debt being a threat to national security? How much did Iraq cost again? $4 TRILLION?

The correct answer would have been YES (especially if this is a RECENT video) - Ron IS the candidate I most agree with and here's why (or don't even give the whys unless asked).

 

[Jeremy]

Interviewer:

"Now, you've also said in some ways you also agree with Ron Paul, his [Rand's] father…uh, is he, the candidate you most agree with in the Presidential race?"

Massie:

Danced around the question, gave some weird looks...doesn't say yes and then says he disagrees with Ron's "defense" policies…?? See: The Constitution of the United States. Then he brings up national debt being a threat to national security? How much did Iraq cost again? $4 TRILLION?

The correct answer would have been YES (especially if this is a RECENT video) - Ron IS the candidate I most agree with and here's why (or don't even give the whys unless asked).

Listen his other interviews

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Seems many here forget the website "Too Kooky For Kentucky." This is the hot bed for those people.

 

[Mini-Me]

Exactly, it's not about Liberty or getting more candidates in office.... it's about Ron.

Don't throw ridiculous and intellectually dishonest straw man arguments in people's faces. This is not about a cult of personality, and everyone with reservations has their own reasons. I don't doubt that Massie supports Paul; his donations prove that, and he's donated far more than I can. However, educating people is extremely important to me, and courage is extremely important for me. Massie looks like a good guy, but I can't get excited about someone who is afraid to own his viewpoints and publicly support the same people he supports in private. We are finally making massive inroads with the public thanks to more and more people gaining the courage to openly stand up for liberty. "Social proof" is largely working, which is precisely why the media is doing everything they can to fight against the rising tide. Meanwhile, Massie is backpedaling and publicly treating Ron Paul like some kind of political leper, that he still has to distance himself from? Exactly how is that supposed to spread the message of liberty? How does that say, "Liberty is popular?" How does that help us intellectually defend Constitutional and/or libertarian positions?

On a more emotional level, I've have my own life experiences with fair-weather friends willing to throw me under the bus to maintain their social status. Ron has been fearlessly fighting this battle for 35 years, most of the time totally alone, and he has been ignored, mocked, scorned, dragged through the mud, and called every name under the sun for standing up for his principles. This movement is not about him, but he deserves some open respect and recognition. It is no fun to be a pariah and abandoned by your friends, and I have far more respect for true friends who publicly stick around even when it's socially/politically inconvenient for them. In short, courage and integrity are extremely important to me. Yes, I understand that sometimes liberty candidates will need to play politics if they want to influence their colleagues within the system...but there's a sliding scale here, and the further you go down that road, the less enthusiastic I become. I can accept that Rand wants to pick his battles instead of casting lone ineffectual "no" votes...but I will not pretend it doesn't sadden me. However, throwing someone under the bus, who has already suffered far more undeserved abuse than any person should have to put up with? Sorry, but count me out.

Thomas, if you're reading this, I'm not trying to crap on you. You're doing your part in your own way, and you're doing far more than I am. I know that you're running a tough race in a tough district, and I know you don't want to become a pariah yourself...but you must understand that you are competing for limited funds and support with other liberty candidates who ARE willing to stick their necks out and put their own reputations on the line. You're competing for limited funds and support with other liberty candidates who are not afraid to openly and fearlessly represent the liberty movement, and who intellectually challenge the totally monstrous status quo instead of trying to plead and reason with it. I wish you all the luck in the world...but if you want us to fully stand by you, you really need to fully stand by us.