Thomas Massie, forum member & elected official, is running a winnable race; let's help!

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This entire interview could have been given by:

Paul Ryan
Chris Christie
Scott Walker
Marco Rubio
Newt Gingrich
Mitt Romney

Sorry, but if he's libertarian, or even Constitutionalist or anti-establishment, or even in any way different than a typical Repugnican, he is deep undercover. I'll trust Rand, but I'm not going to trust someone just because they have a forum account. No red meat rhetoric nor track-record? Fine. No help from me. Good luck duping the masses into supporting your wildly freedom-loving self, or in being a typical meaningless politician. Either way. Because I have no way of telling which it will be.
 
This entire interview could have been given by:

Paul Ryan
Chris Christie
Scott Walker
Marco Rubio
Newt Gingrich
Mitt Romney

Sorry, but if he's libertarian, or even Constitutionalist or anti-establishment, or even in any way different than a typical Repugnican, he is deep undercover. I'll trust Rand, but I'm not going to trust someone just because they have a forum account. No red meat rhetoric nor track-record? Fine. No help from me. Good luck duping the masses into supporting your wildly freedom-loving self, or in being a typical meaningless politician. Either way. Because I have no way of telling which it will be.
Some of us here know him personally and have talked with him over the years he has been here. So why don't you trust your fellow RPFers, who by the way are a lot of the 07ers and old timers, defending him. This is one of the first times he has been interviewed on TV and I don't think you should be using it against him.
 
Geoff Davis' endorsement is going to be crucial in this race. He is very well-liked in District 4. Maybe Thomas is angling for that endorsement.


If I were running in this district, I wouldn't want to be painted into the "Ron Paul corner" in regards to the issues. Like it or not, in Northern Kentucky, the "kook" meme is still strong. I would have no problem fashioning myself as a Rand Paul fiscal conservative. That is how the nominee is going to win this thing. Geoff had a pretty decent fiscal conservative record.
 
Some of us here know him personally and have talked with him over the years he has been here. So why don't you trust your fellow RPFers, who by the way are a lot of the 07ers and old timers, defending him. This is one of the first times he has been interviewed on TV and I don't think you should be using it against him.

Argh. I suppose he's a solid improvement over current politicians, based on the secondhand accounts that he's a forum member, from people who know him. I don't know him. I wish him well, and I would probably vote for him...but I'm not going to trip all over myself to wholeheartedly support and donate to a guy without the spine to openly support Ron Paul. In contrast, Tom Davis had the courage to put his neck out, and he's not even an RPF's member. Those are the kind of guys we really need, and those are the kind of guys we should focus our efforts on supporting.

Massie sounds like a good guy, but I can't get excited about sheepishness. Rand plays politics, but he led a one-man filibuster when he needed to, and he's still out campaigning his ass off for Ron. People have valid reasons to criticize him, but I can appreciate his approach. Ron's plan is self-described as modest (and it is, compared to where we SHOULD be), but it's still totally radical compared to the status quo. Massie suggests moving in the right direction, but calling his pace modest seems to be an understatement; I'd call it more like "glacial." This country may very well be over by the time a 1%/year plan has made a real dent. Besides, are we to reduce the number of innocent people we bomb by 1% every year too?

Moreover, think about the way compromise works: One side offers a proposal, the other side counters, and the final agreement will be somewhere between the two positions. Massie's timid "baby step" proposals are basically coming from a position of weakness. We're finally beginning to win the battle for hearts and minds, and we're to the point now where the public's openness to our message rests on "social proof." In other words, the more that people see others who take Ron Paul seriously, the more they'll begin to recognize it's socially acceptable and give his platform a fair hearing themselves. Outside the national media, we're already past the "political leper" stage; now is NOT the time to backpedal.

It goes without saying that Massie is doing more for liberty than I am, so I'm in no position to crap on him. That said, I get excited about Ron because of his passion, his principles, and his unrivaled courage. I can also get behind Rand, because he's close enough to make a real difference...but if you're asking me to spend real money on Thomas Massie when I can give it to Ron Paul or Glen Bradley...no way. I believe that an exceptional amount of courage and self-confidence is necessary to survive in politics without becoming assimilated by the corrupt establishment...and I'm not seeing that in Massie right now. I hope he changes my mind someday, and I hope I can get into a position where I can do better someday instead of just criticizing from my armchair.
 
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Well all I can say is wait to see if he clarifies his opinions on Ron.
 
I am proud that Thomas is taking a stand in KY and will do what I can to support him even if it means going to KY this summer to campaign for him or with him.
 
I am proud that Thomas is taking a stand in KY and will do what I can to support him even if it means going to KY this summer to campaign for him or with him.

Work for Karen Kwiatkowski, you won't have to travel very far to do so, and you'll be supporting someone who actually push for a harder platform than the one Ron Paul himself is running on.

So this guy is the best non-incumbent "liberty candidate" for the U.S. House? Is B.J. Lawson running again?

Karen Kwiatkowski. B.J. Lawson and John Dennis would be close behind.

It is patently absurd to expect any of us diehard Ron Paul supporters to support someone who openly rejected the central platform to Ron Paul's presidential message. This is like saying "I'm going to get death metal into the mainstream," then promoting Killswitch Engage while disparaging "noisy" blast beats and "obnoxious growly" guttural vocals. Completely self-defeating, and will yield zero results downstream.
 
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Thomas is genuinely a friend of liberty. He will represent the movement well in Congress, and continue the fight that Ron Paul started. I have met him in person several times, and I hope he will eventually win the support of these forums.
 
Also, here is an excerpt from "The Tea Party Goes to Washington" by Senator Rand Paul:

Thomas and Rhonda Massie grew up in Lewis County. They excelled in school and eventually ended up at MIT. The Massies invented software involving virtual reality, which has been useful in robotic surgery, and formed a company that became a financial success. The Massies would eventually sell their company and move back to Kentucky. Thomas and Rhonda were big fans of Ron Paul and became early supporters of mine. It was a pleasure to meet them and I was humbled by their patriotism and concern for our future. Thomas was one of the many people who were motivated to run for office because of my father's presidential campaign. He ended up running for judge executive of Lewis County. He won.

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The reason we love Ron Paul is his courage to say things that are not politically proper for a certain crowd. He tells it like it is. If this Massie guy is too timid to support a candidate that he supposedly he likes, then he's just like the other politicians in the Republican party.
 
The reason we love Ron Paul is his courage to say things that are not politically proper for a certain crowd. He tells it like it is. If this Massie guy is too timid to support a candidate that he supposedly he likes, then he's just like the other politicians in the Republican party.

STFU and donate.
 
there is a way to avoid endorsing Ron Paul without criticizing him. massie could've just answered the question with "I'll endorse the nominee" without saying anything bad about RP's foreign policy. if he was asked if he supported Ron's foreign policy, he could've said "which part?". if he was asked something specific and wanted to be vague, he could've said "it's worth debating".
 
there is a way to avoid endorsing Ron Paul without criticizing him. massie could've just answered the question with "I'll endorse the nominee" without saying anything bad about RP's foreign policy. if he was asked if he supported Ron's foreign policy, he could've said "which part?". if he was asked something specific and wanted to be vague, he could've said "it's worth debating".

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Yeah, how do we know the candidate supports Ron. He could be a plant by the establishment to join the board in September of 2009. Hold events for Rand, donate to Rand and Ron, promote Ron on his blog, Run for office for County Judge, Cause Geoff Davis to retire and then win to help the establishment bring in the NWO....

Seriously, the purity test on here..... it's baffling.
 
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