Thomas Massie, forum member & elected official, is running a winnable race; let's help!

[BamaFanNKy]

"On a more emotional level, I've have my own life experiences with fair-weather friends willing to throw me under the bus to maintain their social status."

What are you talking about? I swear some of you are worse than a jilted ex-girlfriend.

 

[Austin]

Interviewer:

"Now, you've also said in some ways you also agree with Ron Paul, his [Rand's] father…uh, is he, the candidate you most agree with in the Presidential race?"

Massie:

Danced around the question, gave some weird looks...doesn't say yes and then says he disagrees with Ron's "defense" policies…?? See: The Constitution of the United States. Then he brings up national debt being a threat to national security? How much did Iraq cost again? $4 TRILLION?

The correct answer would have been YES (especially if this is a RECENT video) - Ron IS the candidate I most agree with and here's why (or don't even give the whys unless asked).

Yeah, he could have handled the interview better. That much has been established. But here are the facts:

Massie was inspired by Ron to run for office
Massie has donated substantial amounts to Ron and Rand
Massie volunteered for Rand
Massie opposes NDAA/SOPA/PATRIOT Act

With that in mind, I'm donating another $20.12.

Like his facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/ThomasMassieforCongress

Amount: $20.12
Transaction ID: EZNP3CA01D47
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-20 22:18:20

 

[TheTyke]

I know Thomas Massie personally, as do many of the people who've posted on this thread, and I strongly believe we don't get candidates this good very often, nor conditions this good for winning. He's been supportive of Ron Paul on his Facebook, at events in KY and helped with the moneybombs that got us to this point. A congressman is a big deal, but after Ron's run we will only have one 100% with us (Justin Amash) - the future of the liberty movement is relying on electing reinforcements. Moreover, Thomas knows how to win, and this is a race we WILL win - IF we get him the resources to be competitive - right now.

This is the exactly same thing we encountered when Rand ran.... while hundreds of us on the ground in KY put countless hours, blood, sweat and tears into his campaign here to WIN, a handful of people on the forums sat back in their chairs, dissecting every statement he (or the media) made to find evidence he "wasn't pure enough" and dampened the enthusiasm of the liberty movement to support our efforts. Yet Rand put in the effort and did what it took to win, and has moved the discussion in the Senate farther toward our message than anyone has in decades. I had to decide early on if he was for real, and I did, and it was one of the best decisions I ever made. And short of Ron Paul himself, who I trust most of all, Thomas Massie is one of those in politics who I have most confidence in.

And even though I'm about broke and could regret this, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

Thank you for your generous donation!
Amount: $20.12
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-20 22:18:26

 

[Adrock]

Many here refused to back Rand because he wasn't pure in their eyes. I followed the campaign closely and remember all of the "kooky" comments. I think Massie is following the playbook that Rand wrote in 2010.

 

[Austin]

Many here refused to back Rand because he wasn't pure in their eyes. I followed the campaign closely and remember all of the "kooky" comments. I think Massie is following the playbook that Rand wrote in 2010.

Bingo. He's not as seasoned as Rand, as evidenced by that interview.. but that's definitely what he's doing. It's a victory playbook that he's following.

And thanks for your support, Tyke!

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Many here refused to back Rand because he wasn't pure in their eyes. I followed the campaign closely and remember all of the "kooky" comments. I think Massie is following the playbook that Rand wrote in 2010.

Notice the Campaign Manager is Rand's right hand man. SAME PLAYBOOK! Thomas may add "The Interesting Thing....." to all his answers.

 

[Mini-Me]

"On a more emotional level, I've have my own life experiences with fair-weather friends willing to throw me under the bus to maintain their social status."

What are you talking about? I swear some of you are worse than a jilted ex-girlfriend.

Don't be dense. What do you think I'm talking about? If you're unwilling to publicly stand by your friends (e.g. Ron) when it's politically/socially inconvenient, it says a lot about your courage. You might not consider that important, but I do, and by the looks of this thread, I'm not alone in feeling this way.

I'm not saying I'm writing Massie off. What I'm saying is, he hasn't earned my support yet, whereas others have.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Don't be dense. What do you think I'm talking about? If you're unwilling to publicly stand by your friends (e.g. Ron) when it's politically/socially inconvenient, it says a lot about your courage. You might not consider that important, but I do, and by the looks of this thread, I'm not alone in feeling this way.

Yep. You are not alone in acting like half the purists on here who complained about Rand.

 

[MRoCkEd]

I know Thomas Massie personally, as do many of the people who've posted on this thread, and I strongly believe we don't get candidates this good very often, nor conditions this good for winning. He's been supportive of Ron Paul on his Facebook, at events in KY and helped with the moneybombs that got us to this point. A congressman is a big deal, but after Ron's run we will only have one 100% with us (Justin Amash) - the future of the liberty movement is relying on electing reinforcements. Moreover, Thomas knows how to win, and this is a race we WILL win - IF we get him the resources to be competitive - right now.

This is the exactly same thing we encountered when Rand ran.... while hundreds of us on the ground in KY put countless hours, blood, sweat and tears into his campaign here to WIN, a handful of people on the forums sat back in their chairs, dissecting every statement he (or the media) made to find evidence he "wasn't pure enough" and dampened the enthusiasm of the liberty movement to support our efforts. Yet Rand put in the effort and did what it took to win, and has moved the discussion in the Senate farther toward our message than anyone has in decades. I had to decide early on if he was for real, and I did, and it was one of the best decisions I ever made. And short of Ron Paul himself, who I trust most of all, Thomas Massie is one of those in politics who I have most confidence in.

And even though I'm about broke and could regret this, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is.

Thank you for your generous donation!
Amount: $20.12
Transaction date/time: 2012-01-20 22:18:26

Awesome! +REP

 

[Adrock]

Please keep in mind that this is a district where if we win the primary, we will win the general. If he is well funded, this seat is low hanging fruit. I hope to see Massie working as hard as Rand did.

 

[QWDC]

Yeah, it's sad to realize but Ron Paul doesn't have the highest approval ratings in the south. I'm willing to bet most people who voted for Rand had no clue that Ron was his father, or who Ron was at all. At long as the strategy works, I say go for it. NH is trying to become a libertarian state with the FSP, and we are trying to turn KY into a libertarian state by successfully electing congressmen close to the libertarian core of ideas. If you think there is a better way of moving the national narrative closer to libertarianism, I'd be happy to hear it.

 

[Austin]

Please keep in mind that this is a district where if we win the primary, we will win the general. If he is well funded, this seat is low hanging fruit. I hope to see Massie working as hard as Rand did.

If how hard he worked for Rand in 2010 is any indication, he will outwork the other candidate's combined.

 

[Adrock]

Rand can go on Hannity and say he doesn't agree with all of his father's foreign policy. He effectively disarms the host and goes about espousing almost all of the foreign policy ideas his father stands for in a different way and by the end most of the time the host ends up agreeing with him. I appreciate Ron's approach and Rand's approach, they both are effective in their own way.

 

[Bergie Bergeron]

Notice the Campaign Manager is Rand's right hand man. SAME PLAYBOOK! Thomas may add "The Interesting Thing....." to all his answers.

 

[Mini-Me]

Yep. You are not alone in acting like half the purists on here who complained about Rand.

Are you trying to start a flame war or something? Cut it out with the straw man "purist" attacks. Using your loose standard for "purist" name-calling, mainstream Republicans might as well taunt you for being a "purist" because you won't support Romney. In truth, Romney is just too far from you in terms of ideology and character, for you to support him.

I agree with Rand's critics that he's imperfect, but I've always urged people to give him some breathing room. On the balance, he has earned my support. My standard for "purity" is actually pretty lax, but the farther you get from my position, and the more you try to distance yourself from people who hold my position, the less excited I'm going to get for you. That's not absolutism; it's just the natural way of things.

I think Thomas is a good guy, and I think he has a bright future in this movement, but he has not yet earned my support in this race. Part of it is because other liberty candidates - also desperate for support - are much more willing to openly stand up for what I believe in. Part of it is a matter of character. Courage goes a long way with me, and I'm waiting to see some from Thomas.

I'm not posting in this thread to crap on his candidacy or divide. If you're happy to support him, I'm happy for you, and I have no intention of dissuading you. I'm posting in this thread to offer constructive criticism and say what it will take for Thomas to earn my support, and the support of others who think like me.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Are you trying to start a flame war or something? Cut it out with the straw man "purist" attacks. Using your loose standard for "purist" name-calling, mainstream Republicans might as well taunt you for being a "purist" because you won't support Romney. In truth, Romney is just too far from you in terms of ideology and character, for you to support him.

I agree with Rand's critics that he's imperfect, but I've always urged people to give him some breathing room. On the balance, he has earned my support. My standard for "purity" is actually pretty lax, but the farther you get from my position, and the more you try to distance yourself from people who hold my position, the less excited I'm going to get for you. That's not absolutism; it's just the natural way of things.

I think Thomas is a good guy, and I think he has a bright future in this movement, but he has not yet earned my support in this race. Part of it is because other liberty candidates - also desperate for support - are much more willing to openly stand up for what I believe in. Part of it is a matter of character. Courage goes a long way with me, and I'm waiting to see some from Thomas.

I'm not posting in this thread to crap on his candidacy or divide. If you're happy to support him, I'm happy for you, and I have no intention of dissuading you. I'm posting in this thread to offer constructive criticism and say what it will take for Thomas to earn my support, and the support of others who think like me.

Cool story, bro. We know the guy, we've witnessed the guy, Rand has written about the guy.... we're trying to raise money. You're trying to work through some bad feelings of friends and to put down a guy everyone who works for Ron and Rand in Kentucky supports.

Move on Broham. Some of us are trying to win a race, not make you have good feelings.

 

[low preference guy]

Move on Broham. Some of us are trying to win a race, not make you have good feelings.

not making donors have good feelings = less money. that's what your little brain can't grasp.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

not making donors have good feelings = less money. that's what your little brain can't grasp.

Yeah, I remember what you used to say about Rand.

 

[Adrock]

Many here didn't fully support Rand because he wasn't a carbon copy of Ron. Many others looked past that and decided to support him because of the potential. Then he earned our trust while in office. If enough of us didn't go out on a limb to support Rand in the beginning, then he would have never had the opportunity to earn our trust. I think we can agree that Massie should at least get some slack on his first interview.

 

[TheDriver]

So this guy is the best non-incumbent "liberty candidate" for the U.S. House? Is B.J. Lawson running again?

How many times has he lost?