The oficially **official** Trump vs. Biden "debate" thread

Overturning Chevron is not a "bone".

Yes, I admit that. I freely admit that Republicans appoint better justices than Democrats do. And that this certainly still seems to be the case.

Now you admit that if we're all dead from the next engineered pathogen released during Trump's watch, or because Trump's friend Israel kicked of WWIII, Chevron won't matter much to us.
 
Here is Cenk from the super left Young Turks, he calls like he sees it, he wants the left/Democrats to win, he hates Trump.

https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1806535400065823167

Every Democrat should watch this clip, for the sake of America, get Biden out of there, this isn't even a left or right issue anymore.

That man should not be making the final call if nukes are launched in his state of mind.

I don’t think Biden is making any decisions, including what underwear to put on that day. My guess is that it the orders are going through Obama or one of his people.
 
So, you're saying you are hoping and praying that Trump is the antichrist. Because, like, that's who you're describing.

Well, like, no I'm not. The Antichrist (capital-A) has many prophetic attributes and Trump doesn't fulfill any of them that I'm aware of. He at least makes an external profession of Christian belief, the Antichrist will not do even that except, perhaps, secretly, and only as a ruse. You can be certain that the words "Jesus is Lord" will never and can never pass through the lips of the capital-A Antichrist (1 Cor. 12:3).

If that is so, then to vote for Trump is to vote for the antichrist. That is logically, purely and simply what that is. I don't want to have to explain why I knowingly voted for someone I knew very well might be the antichrist on the Day of Reckoning. And I certainly don't want that excuse to be, well, God, I was just trying to hurry You along...

You and I have gone round and round on this merri-go-round and I don't know what else to say to try to get through to you. You see the name "Trump", you go cross-eyed, and launch into some incoherent tirade about Trump being the literal Antichrist. Trump is not the Antichrist, that's not a guess, that's just reading Scripture and comparing it to the facts available to me.

Whoo-ee! I'm ready for Judgement Day! Let's get this show on the road!

Yeah, and Amen!

I think we make a major mistake when we read Revelation and think, oh, I could never vote for the antichrist!

The Antichrist will not be "voted" for. He is the son of Satan, the reincarnation of Judas, the personification of all evil in human form. He will have the powers of Satan delegated to him, and he will perform feats that cannot be done by any human being, false miracles. All of this is explained in the text, and Trump satisfies none of those criteria (and many others besides). So no, a vote for Trump is not a vote for the Antichrist, as if there even could be such a thing. The Antichrist will not be seeking people's votes, he will just conquer and impose power. He will be the most tyrannical ruler ever, worse than Nero, Caligula, Stalin, Genghis Khan and all the other tyrants of history, combined.

But what if the devil is so tricky he could present the antichrist to you as the Lesser Evil? What if the devil used a doddering, senile old codger who sold his soul to the devil decades ago as a false face? What if the devil arranged to have the antichrist run against the devil himself? Then who's the lesser evil?

Does it seem to you that only supernatural forces could be keeping Biden alive at this point?

No, it seems to me that a team of special-effects professionals -- probably trained by a three-letter agency and presently working as private mercenaries -- are keeping the image of "Biden" alive.

As for the devil's lies, you are right that nothing is past him. But that's not my concern, my concern is just how God will make clear what is the right path forward. In the end, I don't think that "our vote" is what makes the difference anyway, it's prayer that makes the difference, and the other weapons of spiritual warfare listed in Eph. 6:10ff. Nevertheless, I look for the light of dawn, and I make no assumptions about how that light will appear, because Scripture tells us to Keep Watch, meaning, we cannot predict anything other than the signs of God's appearing. This is precisely because the devil is such a supreme liar and deceiver. Only God knows what lies the devil will tell, but we don't have to know, we only need to know the signs, and how to read them. And those we know from reading God's Word...
 
Absolutely. But God is. And so my primary interest in what happens in DC is "how is God arranging to save us?" Note that God is not even saving us "through" the government, because he doesn't need government, not in the way that the carnal mind imagines he does (if he wants to do something, he just does it, he doesn't need any intermediaries). Nevertheless, the government is the primary vehicle of Satan's Age-spanning slavery and oppression, and the elimination of that oppression (along with all other manifestations of sin) is God's primary goal in the church Age. Thus, we can expect that there is coming some kind of cataclysmic change in the world order, and that this cataclysmic change will be the exact opposite of what the "NWO" types think is coming. Rather than a world of never-ending slavery, oppression and war (with themselves at the top), there is coming a New Heavens and New Earth, ruled by Jesus. So, the role of the believer in the civil sphere is to be continually preparing their own heart and mind for this coming world-order (because they will join it no later than their own bodily death), and also to proclaim it to everyone around them so that they can begin preparing, as well.

I do not understand why God has permitted DC to become the cosmic menace that it has become. But whatever his reasons, it just is the cosmic menace on earth, it appears to be the headquarters of all evil on earth, and so it is essentially Mordor. The reason to pay attention to what happens in DC is the same as the reason that the Fellowship of the Ring paid attention to what was going on in Mordor. Not out of loyalty, quite the opposite, out of a desire to remain forewarned and forearmed. No one can say that Trump is not God's agent for the implosion of Mordor upon itself because no one but God would know. My hope and prayer is that that is what God is using Trump for. Perhaps that's too optimistic on my part. If so, I will simply wait upon God to see what he does next. And you're right that government is not a savior, in fact, it is a false-messiah (one of many). There is only one Savior, and he is Jesus...

Actually I feel the same way, Biden is just not the guy to lead into prophesy, I think Trump is a bit like Nebuchadnezzar, thrown out of power and forced into the wilderness and humbled just a little bit, only to regain it again. It was almost unheard of in ancient kingdoms for people to hold the power of a mad king, they would pass it on, but they held it for him for 7 years, well he dealt with his god given curse of Boanthropy
Nebuchadnezzar also had the dream of the immense image which shows at the end of days(our time) and immense stone crushing the feet and wiping out the entire image.
Trumps surprising win, lose, win could be orchestrated, for the very purpose for people to think things are improving, just before the end strikes.
My observation is Trump likes chaos to win, but once he has won he actually wants peace and order so he can brag just like Nebuchadnezzar did about all he has accomplished. He wants things to work great in America so he can say "I did this" and have a legacy in history, it's selfish for sure.
But his selfishness of trying to make the country and world better is predicted in the Bible, not especially for Trump, but for the last world power before the end strikes.
Trump could unknowingly be the catalyst for bible prophesy happening, just like king Cyrus of Persia was also used by God, another example. If this is true he can't be beat this election cycle.
 
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The Antichrist will not be "voted" for.

Of course he will. The antichrist is there to tempt us and to test us. That means, if indeed these are the End Times, that we will be presented with something evil who will press us to embrace his evilness, through temptation, charisma and trickery.

Yes, trickery. Unquestionably, there will be trickery...

...the Antichrist will not do even that except, perhaps, secretly, and only as a ruse.

What good is a secret ruse? The antichrist will be trying to fool us into believing he is sent by God. He is a counterfeit savior checking to see if we are so unprincipled we will buy his bull. He will absolutely use the Lord's name in vain, and very publicly. Are you kidding me?

This is precisely because the devil is such a supreme liar and deceiver.

Exactly. Now try to make your dogma agree with itself. Either he won't claim to be of god, or he'll be the devil's ultimate liar and deceiver. Pick only one, as both are not possible.

The Antichrist will not be seeking people's votes, he will just conquer and impose power.

Why? These events are to help God separate the wheat from the chaff. So of course his job is to conquer us, but how? Physically imposing tyranny on us (and it isn't all that easy to point to the place in the Bible which supports that theory) doesn't imperil our souls. Bodies and bellies yes, souls not so much. Revelation says we will be tempted. A temptation is a choice, man.
 
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Now you admit that if we're all dead from the next engineered pathogen released during Trump's watch, or because Trump's friend Israel kicked of WWIII, Chevron won't matter much to us.

Have you seen any evidence that Trump was behind Fauci funding it through a back door? How is it that you think Trump is responsible for what Fauci and the Wuhan lab did? Because I would like to see it.

From what I saw, Trump tries to be friendly to every leader; especially those he is needing to sway. Are you thinking it would be better to punch ‘em in the gut first? lol

Do you know who is in office now? Because it ain’t Trump. It is whoever is pulling the strings for Biden that is funding Israel and selling them weapons with our own money. And it is the current administration egging on a war with Russia. If I recall, Trump talked of getting out of NATO. He was attacked for saying it, but he said it.
 
Actually I feel the same way, Biden is just not the guy to lead into prophesy, I think Trump is a bit like Nebuchadnezzar, thrown out of power and forced into the wilderness and humbled just a little bit, only to regain it again. It was almost unheard of in ancient kingdoms for people to hold the power of a mad king, they would pass it on, but they held it for him for 7 years, well he dealt with his god given curse of Boanthropy
Nebuchadnezzar also had the dream of the immense image which shows at the end of days(our time) and immense stone crushing the feet and wiping out the entire image.
Trumps surprising win, lose, win could be orchestrated, for the very purpose for people to think things are improving, just before the end strikes.
My observation is Trump likes chaos to win, but once he has won he actually wants peace and order so he can brag just like Nebuchadnezzar did about all he has accomplished. He wants things to work great in America so he can say "I did this" and have a legacy in history, it's selfish for sure.
But his selfishness of trying to make the country and world better is predicted in the Bible, not especially for Trump, but for the last world power before the end strikes.
Trump could unknowingly be the catalyst for bible prophesy happening, just like king Cyrus of Persia was also used by God, another example. If this is true he can't be beat this election cycle.

Agreed.

Of all the problems that Trump has, the two biggest are (a) his support of antichrist, false-Zionist "Israel" and (b) his refusal to criticize the Fed, let alone take it out. It may be that those issues are just too big a leap for his mind to make, I'm not sure. Or, he could secretly be an agent of them. Either way, it's one clear sign that, even if God uses Trump for good, Trump is no kind of "solution" to any of the problems in America. It could be that God's purpose in Trump is not to "turn things around" but simply to bring the continual progress in the wrong direction to a halt. Perhaps another will come after and start the process of turning things back around to the direction of the good. Or, perhaps something completely different. Either way, God is in control and God wins. So, the important thing is to be on God's side, meaning, to get right with God (the Gospel). The rest is just details...
 
Have you seen any evidence that Trump was behind Fauci funding it through a back door?

Oh come on.

You know all those people who come here and argue that the Constitution is worthless and should be abandoned because it allowed all these bad things to happen? Well, the Constitution is indeed, as Dubya said, just a piece of parchment. It can't enforce itself, we have to do that, or find someone who can. Trump was the living, breathing president. He applied for the job of watchdog, got it, and failed to do his job.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. These are the two worst presidents in history, and neither one deserves a thimbleful of support.
 
Have you seen any evidence that Trump was behind Fauci funding it through a back door? How is it that you think Trump is responsible for what Fauci and the Wuhan lab did? Because I would like to see it.

From what I saw, Trump tries to be friendly to every leader; especially those he is needing to sway. Are you thinking it would be better to punch ‘em in the gut first? lol

Do you know who is in office now? Because it ain’t Trump. It is whoever is pulling the strings for Biden that is funding Israel and selling them weapons with our own money. And it is the current administration egging on a war with Russia. If I recall, Trump talked of getting out of NATO. He was attacked for saying it, but he said it.

Trump rallied and convinced other countries to “pay their fair share” which actually enriched NATO to the point of creating new programs.

Fauci? Bill Gates? Pfizer? DARPA? OWS? Did you even bother to read Trump On the Record which will put all of your questions to rest?
 
Of course he will. The antichrist is there to tempt us and to test us. That means, if indeed these are the End Times, that we will be presented with something evil who will press us to embrace his evilness, through temptation, charisma and trickery.

Yes, trickery. Unquestionably, there will be trickery...

Trickery is too weak a word to describe what the Bible prophesies about the Antichrist. 2 Thess. 2:11 tells us that God is going to send a strong delusion, that is, an inescapable deception. Something like "Simulation Theory." Have you ever heard people talk about that? So, the Antichrist is coming with this kind of inescapable deception. No one will escape, and the elect will only escape by divine deliverance, Matt. 24:24. What is coming is a "trickery" that no one can "un-trick" themselves from, no matter how clever they are. Cleverness will not do any good in resisting the Antichrist's Great Deception. All will fall to him, except the sheep.

What good is a secret ruse?

So as to persuade hypocritical world leaders who falsely profess faith in Christ to get on board. The Antichrist will build an alliance of world leaders, this is prophesied in Daniel.

The antichrist will be trying to fool us into believing he is sent by God.

Mmm, not quite. The Antichrist is going to proclaim that he is God-as-such, see 2 Thess. 2:1ff. Jesus said, "I have been sent by God", but the Antichrist will say, "I am God", something that Jesus never said, not because it's not true, but because claiming it is self-refuting, when you think about it. See, John 5:43.

He is a counterfeit savior checking to see if we are so unprincipled we will buy his bull.

Not quite that, either. The Antichrist is not a divine agent of God's "testing", rather, he is the work of Satan (2 Thess. 2:9) and he will only arise when God gives the world over to destruction, meaning, the last sheep has been gathered in (see John 6:39).

He will absolutely use the Lord's name in vain, and very publicly. Are you kidding me?

1 Corinthians 12:3: "Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit."

The Antichrist will not, and cannot utter the words "Jesus is Lord". It's nothing to do with taking God's name in vain, it's everything to do with confessing power. See 1 Cor. 4:20. This is not a game.

Either he won't claim to be of god, or he'll be the devil's ultimate liar and deceiver. Pick only one, as both are not possible.

It's just a false dichotomy. We can work out from the text that the Jews will accept the Antichrist as Messiah, rather than Jesus of Nazareth, an apocalyptic re-enactment of choosing Barabbas. The Antichrist will go along with the pretense of being the Messiah, but he will betray them and will sit in the rebuilt temple and proclaim himself to be God. Absolutely none of that can happen if the Antichrist is professing that Jesus of Nazareth is Lord, not even blasphemously. He simply cannot acknowledge Jesus because the entire purpose of his existence is to attempt to force Jesus back into the grave and keep him there. Of course, that is impossible (Acts 2:24) but that doesn't mean that Satan won't try... he literally has no other choice, he has painted himself into the corner and he is presently damned for it, (John 16:11).
 
Let's make it more scary and, unfortunately, realistic.

How easy would it be for Biden to be talked into launching nukes?

From what I saw during the last debate, Biden is not even in control of the government anymore.
 
Either way, it's one clear sign that, even if God uses Trump for good, Trump is no kind of "solution" to any of the problems in America. It could be that God's purpose in Trump is not to "turn things around" but simply to bring the continual progress in the wrong direction to a halt. Perhaps another will come after and start the process of turning things back around to the direction of the good. Or, perhaps something completely different. Either way, God is in control and God wins. So, the important thing is to be on God's side, meaning, to get right with God (the Gospel). The rest is just details...

Meh. Here's the disconnect, and I'm just as bad as you. We second guess God, or try to, when we don't have the knowledge, smarts, or wisdom to do it.

So I prefer to do what I can to find someone who stands a chance -- yes, even if it's a small one -- of being a solution to the problems people have. You act like I'm vain because I do think I see better than you do how the devil is conducting this game, and why. But the course of action I advise is always the same. The purpose of voting is to install someone who just might be a solution to our problems, without regard to whether he might win or not. And that's what I advise people to do, when push comes to shove, whether they agree with me about just what that course of action might be.
That's how I try to walk with God, instead of running around like His brainless lackey irritating Him with my futile attempts to anticipate His whims.

Help God by helping the devil win a battle because you think God wants the devil to win it? Not me, brother. That's vanity, and vanity is one of those deadly sin thingies.
 
... I do think I see better than you do how the devil is conducting this game, and why...

Rather, no one can see how he is conducting the game, and why, but by God's own teaching. This is Scripture, Matt. 24:24, not my opinion. That you think otherwise is the very thing I'm pointing out to you as the disagreement between us. This race won't be won for trying, John 1:13.
 
You know, we're having one hell of a lot more intelligent, coherent, cogent and relevant debate than the "only two people in America who could possibly be president the next four years" did. It's not a narrow margin, either.
 
Trickery is too weak a word to describe what the Bible prophesies about the Antichrist. 2 Thess. 2:11 tells us that God is going to send a strong delusion, that is, an inescapable deception. Something like "Simulation Theory."

And you wonder why I hate dogma.

Strong delusion =/= inescapable any damned thing. Strong delusion, the Bible says. Equating that with anything else is taking a leap of faith on zero evidence.

People have a bad habit of building up a pile of dogma on completely unsupportable assumptions just like that one. It's not the Bible telling you to grab that ball and run with it, and I don't see any reason to believe it's God either. Dogma is like watching a little true story get this detail exaggerated and that detail exaggerated until it grows into a tall enough tale to be called a legend.

Did you ever try to test that hypothesis by testing it for reasonable reasons to doubt it? Like, for instance, if God is letting the devil use trickery on us, like He allowed the devil to do things to Job, and to Jesus in the desert, then could He not be doing it for the same purpose? Why would God attempt to test us with a final exam that God knows we can't pass?

Theory full of holes. Language of the Bible doesn't actually say it. Why should I buy it?

Rather, no one can see how he is conducting the game, and why, but by God's own teaching.

Am I not relying on the Book of Job? Am I not relying on what I know of those forty days in the desert? No? Then what the hell am I using? I sure ain't using flying leaps of logic, no matter how many theological degrees the original flying leaper had.

Remember, all I need to discount that barely semi-Biblical "Simulation Theory" theory is reasonable doubt. I've provided plenty of that. Why would God go to the trouble to subject us to a test we can't possibly pass? Is that what loving Parents do?

What if the devil is in these little details of overly enthusiastic dogma?
 
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Not quite that, either. The Antichrist is not a divine agent of God's "testing", rather, he is the work of Satan (2 Thess. 2:9)...

God bless Paul, the old fart. He never doubted that God created the devil to serve His purposes, unlike some of the people who have parsed and picked his oft-translated little missives apart for centuries. Some people act like that devil and God are co-equals. No wonder some Christians get a bad name. Heresy as dogma. Admittedly it makes the Bible more like a comic book to have an adversary that dangerous, but it's still heresy as dogma.

Paul said:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
and he will only arise when God gives the world over to destruction, meaning, the last sheep has been gathered in (see John 6:39).

So God sends in the antichrist to help determine who received not the love of truth, then He's ready to gather the sheep in. Right? Or are you saying that the elect will be selected, and have their own separate rapture, and be gathered in, and then the antichrist will arise from nowhere and will hang around filling everyone left behind full of pretty lies?

Because that's not how Jesus described the rapture at all. The Lake of Fire got mentioned with minimal delay, that day on the hill. And the antichrist wasn't mentioned at all. Makes me think the antichrist didn't personally do the "destruction" executions, nor did he do all his arising after the sheep were gathered together, but was rather an agent of that other group's destruction prior to the lake of fire even opening up.

I certainly hope what Paul was trying to convey in crude Aramaic (or whatever it was) was at least that well aligned with what Jesus Himself said with His Own Lips.
 
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And you wonder why I hate dogma.

Strong delusion =/= inescapable any damned thing. Strong delusion, the Bible says. Equating that with anything else is taking a leap of faith on zero evidence.

Well, let's walk through it step-by-step. If Paul had wanted to just say "trickery", he could have used the Greek word for that, apate. See here. But he didn't use that word, he used the Greek word plane. While both words mean "to deceive", in English, we have gradations of strength in words to refer to deception. There is a misdirection or excuse, which is a very mild kind of deception. Then there is the lie, which can range from a simple lie to an elaborate conspiracy. Then there is deceit as in cunning deceit. Then there is delusion as in inducing a stupor or mind-controlled state. And so on, and so forth. So it is in Greek. Go compare the contexts of these two Greek words as they are used in the New Testament. The first word (apate) just refers in every case to simple deception, as in, a lack of complete truthfulness. This word (plane) refers to the worst kinds of deception. The Jews use it to decry the possibility of the nation believing that Jesus rose from the dead! (Matt. 27:46) That would have been for them a worst-case scenario. This is the kind of deception that Paul is referring to, the worst conceivable deception. In 1 John 4:6, John uses this word to contrast with the Holy Spirit, "the spirit of error", "the spirit of [planes]" -- this is the spirit that is the exact antithesis of the Holy Spirit. It doesn't get any worse than that.

But even that is not strong enough for Paul. No, he adds the adjective "strong" in front of it -- it is a strong delusion, "energeian planes". It's strongly the worst-case deception. And the purpose of this strong delusion is to cause those who fall under it to believe The Lie. It is not "a" lie, the Greek specifically says "THE" Lie. And what is The Lie, in the Bible? What's the first and greatest Lie? "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." (Genesis 3:4,5) That is The Lie. God is going to give the wicked over to believe that they have become God or gods.

Paul did not invent this, Jesus spoke of it in Matthew 24 and doubtless taught Paul what he knew during the encounter on the Road to Damascus: "For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible." (Matthew 24:24) Note how Jesus has worded this (and yes, that's how it is in the Greek): the signs and wonders that the Antichrist will do are of a nature that they would deceive even the elect... and then, as an afterthought, he adds, "if that were possible". The point is that no one will escape the coming deception. Even the elect would fall for it, but that's not possible. And why is it not possible? Is it because the elect are so clever? Nope, 1 Cor. 1:26-29. There is only one other possibility ... and that is that God will supernaturally deliver his elect from the inescapable deception of the Antichrist.

ALL WILL FALL, except the sheep. This is Scripture, not my opinion.

And note that neither Jesus nor Paul are inventing this idea of a strong delusion or inescapable deception. They are getting it from the Old Testament:

"The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit." (Isaiah 19:14)

"I trampled the nations in my anger; in my wrath I made them drunk and poured their blood on the ground." (Isaiah 63:6)

"Be stunned and amazed, blind yourselves and be sightless; be drunk, but not from wine, stagger, but not from beer. The LORD has brought over you a deep sleep: He has sealed your eyes (the prophets); he has covered your heads (the seers)." (Isaiah 29:9,10)

"I will make your oppressors eat their own flesh; they will be drunk on their own blood, as with wine. Then all mankind will know that I, the LORD, am your Savior, your Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob." (Isaiah 49:26)

See also Isa. 28:5-13, Isa. 51:17-23, Jer. 25:15-28, and many more.

In short: This is how God does judgment, and it is particularly how he will pour out his final judgment.


... Dogma ...

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Did you ever try to test that hypothesis by testing it for reasonable reasons to doubt it? Like, for instance, if God is letting the devil use trickery on us, like He allowed the devil to do things to Job, and to Jesus in the desert, then could He not be doing it for the same purpose?

Sure, and Scripture says this in respect to the last generation that will be on earth. That's what the Great Tribulation is, it's the last fiery ordeal that the church will face on earth, and then victory (forever). Peter calls it the "fiery ordeal", (1 Pet. 4:12). For those of us who believe in Jesus, the purpose is to bring us closer to God, to cleanse us from sin, and to make us ready for eternity. For everyone else, the purpose is destruction.

Why would God attempt to test us with a final exam that God knows we can't pass?

Because the Gospel is the last stop on the train to the Lake of Fire. It's our last chance to disembark that train. No future chances. So, you either get off or burn. With finality. This was part of the reason that Jesus went to the Cross... he didn't descend from heaven to be tortured and murdered in order to go on "testing humanity" for all of eternity. No, he went to the Cross in order to defeat death, thus shattering the power of the devil (Heb. 2:14,15) and damning him and all his angels to the lake of fire, John 16:11 et. al.

Language of the Bible doesn't actually say it.

Language of the Bible doesn't say "Trinity", either, and yet it clearly teaches it. While poorly-formed inferences can lead one astray, this does not mean that all inference from the text is invalid, quite the opposite, the text demands that we make inferences with our God-given brain, which was given to us for that very purpose.

Remember, all I need to discount that barely semi-Biblical "Simulation Theory" theory is reasonable doubt.

Nobody is positing Simulation Theory, you need to work on your reading comprehension. Rather, I noted that Simulation Theory (and those who believe in it) is a lot like whatever it is that Paul is referring to in 2 Thess. 2:11, and Jesus in Matthew 24:24. That belief in Simulation Theory has become widespread is surely a sign of the End Times. There have always been crazy people who believed they are living in a dream. But never before has a large part of the public been in this schizophrenic state of mind. What is happening in the world today is unprecedented.

Is that what loving Parents do?

Those who are under God's judgment are not his children. They are damned.
 
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