The oficially **official** Vance vs. Walz "debate" thread

[Occam's Banana]

Please try to contain your excitement.

Watch Live: JD Vance and Tim Walz vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAGZGQg31hs
{CBS News | 01 October 2024}

Ohio Sen. JD Vance and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz are facing off in their first vice presidential debate, hosted by CBS News, on Tuesday, Oct. 1. "CBS Evening News" anchor and managing editor Norah O'Donnell and "Face the Nation" moderator and CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Margaret Brennan are moderating the debate. Watch live coverage on CBS News 24/7 starting at 4 p.m. ET ahead of the debate, which will run from 9 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. ET.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[Anti Federalist]

I have no idea why any GOP, or Libertarian politician for that matter, would agree to participate in these dog and pony shows any more.

They are not debates in any true sense of the word, they are nothing more than staged puppet shows designed by the Marxist media organs to generate negative sound bites and "gotchas" to be used against them.

 

[Intrepid]

Vance eat some fried chicken and claim it's a cat.

Walz jump around and do weird moves.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Vance eat some fried chicken and claim it's a cat.

Walz jump around and do weird moves.

That sounds way more interesting than what it will probably be.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's much more interesting than it will probably be.

Speaking of weird moves, why is Trump still closing out his rallies with a song about cruising for young hommosexual men in NYC bathhouses in the 1970s?

 

[A. Havnes]

Speaking of weird moves, why is Trump still closing out his rallies with a song about cruising for young hommosexual men in NYC bathhouses in the 1970s?

I’m in the dark about this one. Enlighten me!

 

[acptulsa]

Me too. I thought he had to stop using those two Village People songs.

 

[jmdrake]

You know Waltz is going to bring up the cat thing!

 

[jmdrake]

Speaking of weird moves, why is Trump still closing out his rallies with a song about cruising for young hommosexual men in NYC bathhouses in the 1970s?

???



Seriously, considering that Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are Trump fans i'm not sure why he isn't exclusively using their music.

 

[CaptUSA]

I have no idea why any GOP, or Libertarian politician for that matter, would agree to participate in these dog and pony shows any more.

They are not debates in any true sense of the word, they are nothing more than staged puppet shows designed by the Marxist media organs to generate negative sound bites and "gotchas" to be used against them.

Fundraising material. That's it.

 

[sparebulb]

This will be as interesting as a Pence/Kaine debate where you couldn't slip a feeler gauge between them when it comes to liberty issues.

 

[CaptUSA]

Seriously, considering that Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are Trump fans i'm not sure why he isn't exclusively using their music.

YES! Stranglehold!

Here I come again now, baby
Like a dog in heat
You can tell it's me by the clamor now, baby
I like to tear up the streets

Now I been smokin' for so long
You know I'm here to stay
Got you in a stranglehold, baby
You best get outta the way

The road I cruise is a bitch now, baby
But no, you can't turn me round
And if a house gets in my way, baby
You know I'll burn it down

You ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold, baby
You better trust your fate

 

[Anti Federalist]

???

Not sure what the question is...

Seriously, considering that Ted Nugent and Kid Rock are Trump fans i'm not sure why he isn't exclusively using their music.

I've been saying that for months now.

This is a pretty song, I don't care what anybody says, and much more touching than that Lee Greenwood song.



"You can knock me down and watch me bleed but you can't put no chains on me"

 

[jmdrake]

YES! Stranglehold!

Here I come again now, baby
Like a dog in heat
You can tell it's me by the clamor now, baby
I like to tear up the streets

Now I been smokin' for so long
You know I'm here to stay
Got you in a stranglehold, baby
You best get outta the way

The road I cruise is a bitch now, baby
But no, you can't turn me round
And if a house gets in my way, baby
You know I'll burn it down

You ran the night that you left me
You put me in my place
I got you in a stranglehold, baby
You better trust your fate

Yeah baby!

 

[jmdrake]

I've been saying that for months now.

This is a pretty song, I don't care what anybody says, and much more touching than that Lee Greenwood song.

Yeah...that works for a GOP rally. But imagine if he left to bawitdaba. (I still don't know what that means).

Edit: I forgot this Kid Rock lyric.
And this is for the questions that don't have any answers
The midnight glancers, and the topless dancers
The can of freaks, cars packed with speakers
The G's with the forty's and the chicks with beepers
The northern lights and the Southern Comfort
And it don't even matter if your veins are punctured
All the crackheads, the critics, the cynics
And all my heroes at the methadone clinics
All you bastards at the I.R.S
For the crooked cops and the cluttered desks
For the shots of Jack and the caps of meth
Half pints of love and the fifths of stress
All the hookers that are tricking out in Hollywood
And for my hoods of the world misunderstood
I said it's all good and it's all in fun
Now get in the pit and try to love someone!​

 

[Anti Federalist]

I’m in the dark about this one. Enlighten me!

YMCA has been a queeer anthem since the 1970s.

The queeer scene in NYC in the 70s revolved around bathhouses and gyms, particularly the YMCAs and places like Plato's Retreat.

That's what the song YMCA is about.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Me too. I thought he had to stop using those two Village People songs.

IIRC, people were bitching at Village People about it, trying to get them to demand that the Trump campaign stop using their songs.

But VP didn't have a problem with it. One of the band's members said they were just glad people were still hearing and enjoying their stuff.

And good on them for it.

(It's refreshing to encounter entertainers who actually understand what their proper place and role is.)

 

[jmdrake]

IIRC, people were bitching at Village People about it, trying to get them to demand that the Trump campaign stop using their songs.

But VP didn't have a problem with it. One of the band's members said they were just glad people were still hearing and enjoying their stuff.

And good on them for it.

(It's refreshing to encounter entertainers who actually understand what their proper place and role is.)

Remember when Neil Young wanted his music off of Spotify because they allowed Joe Rogan to speak facts about COVID? Then he came crawling back?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Remember when Neil Young wanted his music off of Spotify because they allowed Joe Rogan to speak facts about COVID? Then he came crawling back?

My favorite example is all the bitching and moaning after the Reagan campaign started using Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. at their campaign events for the '84 election.

[...]

There were a lot of people who bitched about the Reagan campaign's use of the song in Reagan's second presidential bid - including Springsteen himself. But whoever it was in Reagan's camp who decided to use the song understood its appeal and why it was popular far, far better than all the people who bitched about how the "Reagan people" were too "stupid" to understand the song. On the contrary, they were not stupid at all. They understood how the mood of the song (if not every line of its lyrics) "fit" with the wider post-Vietnam zeitgeist of the '80s in general - and the Reagan campaign's "city on a hill" message in particular. While the disapproving sour-pusses were "technically" correct (with respect to how Springsteen had intended the song), they were utterly clueless (with respect to how the vast majority of the audience received the song).

I often think of "Born in the USA" as Exhibit A in the case against the twin notions that (1) "artists" are the final arbiters of the meaning of their creations, and (2) audiences are (or should be) passive receptacles for whatever "wisdom" or meaning artists imagine they are expressing through their works.

I remember seeing some "Top 20" or "Top 100" list on MTV or VH-1 in the early 2000s.

One of the clips they played in relation to that song was Richard Belzer (an '80s stand-up comedian), who was still whinging about it nearly two decades later. LOL