The oficially **official** Trump vs. Biden "debate" thread

[acptulsa]

I have had my day to be happy about how Biden’s condition was out front to anyone who saw the debate. But now back to the real world. This didn’t happen by accident. It was done in purpose. All of it. The split screens showing Biden’s blank stare, when they just have easily dropped the split screen. The orchestrated pile on after the debate by the vast majority of the talking head media afterwards. They had their talking points ready. We all know the media knew how brain dead Biden is. It is not a new thing. This is a setup.

This was done for a reason. And I am betting because it was time to do the setup for the replacement.

Well put.

Now tell me why their favored replacement isn't your boy Trump. Tell me why they aren't just purposely throwing the election.

And you can't say they have no motivation to do that. Trump will implement full lockdown stop and frisk nationwide, and Republicans who claim to love the Constitution will cheer him on because some illegal aliens will get deported as a result.

They're obviously deliberately throwing the election, and no one can show how anyone will certainly benefit but Trump. Well, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]? Is this cigar just a cigar?

 

[acptulsa]

Face it, honey. We'll never know how bad my guy would have been. But we know exactly how truly horrendous your guy was. You think all this inflation, this massive transfer of wealth, has all been Biden? They tag teamed us, honey, and Trump printed well over half if it. That's why it started to hit us before Biden was even inaugurated.

You'd do well to learn to let things lie. It's a lot less stressful than trying to figure out how to defend your own, even more evil choice.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well put.

Now tell me why their favored replacement isn't your boy Trump. Tell me why they aren't just purposely throwing the election.

And you can't say they have no motivation to do that. Trump will implement full lockdown stop and frisk nationwide, and Republicans who claim to love the Constitution will cheer him on because some illegal aliens will get deported as a result.

They're obviously deliberately throwing the election, and no one can show how anyone will certainly benefit but Trump. Well, [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]? Is this cigar just a cigar?

Because if that is all they wanted, why not just let Trump remain in office, instead of replacing him with Biden?

I am not saying with absolute certainty that Trump isn’t one of them, but right now, I don’t think he is. He opened one hell of a lot of people’s eyes that had no idea how corrupt the government was. They still haven’t seen the extent of it, but they know a lot more than they did. I have wondered… how could this be beneficial to the crew who has been driving us to world government for decades. I have considered that this might make people more willing to go into a world government, thinking it might be more honest than their own. I know that would be stupid, but I would guess you have also run into people who know our government is corrupt and bought, but to fix it, they want to give the government more power. ��

All I know is these evil sobs are many steps ahead of us. They have probably run all kinds of simulations on different plans.

As things stand right now, I think Trump is the best option, while also doing whatever we can do to get good advisors like Rand in his ear.

I don’t pledge allegiance to him and will be watching him closely. Just like I did Ron. They are all just mere human beings. Note: No, Trump is not even in the same ball park as Ron.

But back to the topic. If all they wanted to do was throw the election, wouldn’t they have scheduled the debate AFTER the convention? I think they are going to replace him.

 

[acptulsa]

Because if that is all they wanted, why not just let Trump remain in office, instead of replacing him with Biden?

Because he couldn't maneuver the lockdown over Covid, so they had to stick someone else in there to infect the country with a more visible virus imported at government expense from third world prisons.

They want the lockdown. That's the goal Trump's getting a second shot at achieving.

I am not saying with absolute certainty that Trump isn’t one of them, but right now, I don’t think he is. He opened one hell of a lot of people’s eyes that had no idea how corrupt the government was.

You can remember every time I defied you down to what you were wearing when you read it, but you can't be bothered to remember that I have always rejected that argument completely? We did that. Ron Paul did that, and we were his megaphone. It was already done before The Rise of Trump; regardless of whether it had reached every nook and cranny yet, the wildfire was already set. The R3volution opened Pandora's Box, and tptb knew for a fact that they were never going to get that genie back in the bottle.

Trump is a lightning rod. He's there to absorb our rage and short it to ground. He will harness our rage against us.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Face it, honey. We'll never know how bad my guy would have been. But we know exactly how truly horrendous your guy was. You think all this inflation, this massive transfer of wealth, has all been Biden? They tag teamed us, honey, and Trump printed well over half if it. That's why it started to hit us before Biden was even inaugurated.

You'd do well to learn to let things lie. It's a lot less stressful than trying to figure out how to defend your own, even more evil choice.

Throw anything at me that you want sweet cheeks. But, I guarantee you one thing you won’t do is bully me into silence.

 

[acptulsa]

Throw anything at me that you want sweet cheeks. But, I guarantee you one thing you won’t do is bully me into silence.

Nobody's trying to bully you into silence. Silencing people was your gig. You didn't silence as many as Zuckerberg, but you sure tried, Ms. Banhammer. So please don't be a hypocrite.

But you could stand to be dragged kicking and screaming into the year 2024. Think I can pull that off?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Because he couldn't maneuver the lockdown over Covid, so they had to stick someone else in there to infect the country with a more visible virus imported at government expense from third world prisons.

They want the lockdown. That's the goal Trump's getting a second shot at achieving.

You can remember every time I defied you down to what you were wearing when you read it, but you can't be bothered to remember that I have always rejected that argument completely? We did that. Ron Paul did that, and we were his megaphone. The R3volution opened Pandora's Box, and tptb knew for a fact that they were never going to get that genie back in the bottle.

Trump is a lightning rod. He's there to absorb our rage and short it to ground. He will harness our rage against us.

I don’t want to mess with the tags, so I will just remark on everything here. What argument are you saying you rejected and that Ron Paul megaphoned? That our government is corrupt? Yes we did, but most people didn’t hear it and many who did hear it, didn’t believe it. Heck, I was raised on this stuff. I knew how bad the CIA was and most every international organization, our tax-exempt Foundations and that a lot of our congressmen were sold out, etc. But I have to tell you that I was shocked at the depth of FBI corruption, etc. And them going after a former President had never happened before.

With that said, what you said about Trump is in the range of possibilities for sure. I always have it in the back of my mind and am watching him. But for the time being, I will be voting for him. I don’t think he will be running against Biden though, unfortunately. We shall see.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yesterday, the SCOTUS ruled, with Trump appointed judges, to overturn the "Chevron Doctrine".

That would not have happened with judges appointed by a leftist president, Clinton or Biden or whomever.

It was the Chevron doctrine that allowed government agencies like OSHA to mandate lockdowns, mask wearing and forced jabs.

40 years of tyranny by regulation was struck a giant blow.

That is real, not overheated conspiracy theories.

It is one of the five reasons I will vote for Trump this fall.

 

[acptulsa]

Yes we did, but most people didn’t hear it and many who did hear it, didn’t believe it.

You say Trump grew that fire bigger. I say Trump did a controlled burn that kept it contained. By making it overtly hyperpartisan, for starters, he kept it from spreading to liberals. We had been getting a few of them upset, too.

I don’t think he will be running against Biden though, unfortunately. We shall see.

But if he is still officially running against Biden when November rolls around, you certainly won't consider that evidence that I might be right. Will you...?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Nobody's trying to bully you into silence. Silencing people was your gig. You didn't silence as many as Zuckerberg, but you sure tried, Ms. Banhammer. So please don't be a hypocrite.

But you could stand to be dragged kicking and screaming into the year 2024. Think I can pull that off?

Yes, I banned people who needed to be banned. The only one I regret is a 3 day ban I gave.

As far as the 2024 comment, is that with regard to me reminding you of your strong support for a proven traitor? I mean the guy had co-chaired a big Council on Foreign Relations task force with reps from the US, Canada and Mexico to destroy our sovereignty, our Constitution and our currency. It’s ok. We all make mistakes, right? Can I ask you something? Have you ever admitted that it maybe might have not been the best choice? I only ask that because what usually causes me to remind you about Johnson/Weld is when I happen in a thread where you are personally insulting anyone who doesn’t hate Trump with the same gusto that you do. Because that is exactly what you were also doing back then.

 

[LibertyEagle]

You say Trump grew that fire bigger. I say Trump did a controlled burn that kept it contained. By making it overtly hyperpartisan, for starters, he kept it from spreading to liberals. We had been getting a few of them upset, too.



But if he is still officially running against Biden when November rolls around, you certainly won't consider that evidence that I might be right. Will you...?

Tulsa, if you look back at what I have already written, I have said it could be true. And that I have my eyes open. I have also played many similar scenarios in my head. I said this also, long before this. It is possible; it sure is. But for now, he has my vote.

Note: Tulsa, yeah we got a few liberals. At the time. It was really exciting and encouraging. But, you know as well as I do, that the vast majority of them were outta here, even those who made it to the end of the campaign, and started loving on Bernie.

I loved what we did. I know a whole lot of us put an enormous amount of time, effort and money into it. But the fact is, Ron was brushed off by most of the voters. And yes I remember all the things that went on. I was hoping Rand could grab the whatever they grab in a race, and go farther. But, his campaign was horrible. I know opinions may vary, but that is mine. So, what do we do now at the presidential level? I have said before that at this point I think our country is too far gone to be able to turn it around. Frankly I would love it if Texas seceded from the union. In my opinion, we are never going to get one of our guys as President. Those guys are pre-selected. So regardless of who we vote for, we get one of their guys. The mainstream media and all the various machinery ensures that. Trump had the chance of being different, because he had such name recognition. His team also seemed to understand how to use social media to get Trump’s platform out. Could he also be a bad guy? Yup, sure could.

 

[acptulsa]

Can I ask you something? Have you ever admitted that it maybe might have not been the best choice?

As compared to what? As compared to writing in Ron Paul in a state where writing in a name voids your whole ballot?

Or as compared to the even more evil choice you made?

You inflate my "gusto". I said at the time I considered him the lesser of three evils, and that the main thing I liked about him was he didn't represent the "Two Party System".

You want me to repent of that. But I talk about the currency devaluation and the poison jabs, and you say nothing at all. If you really want to hijack this thread further, why not admit what's good for this gander is good for the goose too, and do a little repentance yourself?

Or maybe we could let the thread get back to current events. Gary Johnson, fortunately, is completely irrelevant in the Year of our Lord 2024.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to bookmark this page. I weary of watching you beat a horse which has long since expired, so from now on when your OCD gets a grip on you I'm just going to repost this.

Tulsa, if you look back at what I have already written, I have said it could be true. And that I have my eyes open. I have also played many similar scenarios in my head. I said this also, long before this. It is possible; it sure is. But for now, he has my vote.

An open mind is a wonderful thing to have. Unfortunately, it has been my experience that it's an easier thing to boast if than to maintain. I do hope you're too superhuman to have to struggle with that.

 

[PAF]

Tulsa, if you look back at what I have already written, I have said it could be true. And that I have my eyes open. I have also played many similar scenarios in my head. I said this also, long before this. It is possible; it sure is. But for now, he has my vote.

You can vote, or not, however you want, keeping in mind that when you do so you are giving your express consent.

I personally do not consent, and I refuse to be contributory, so therefore no vote from me.


Donald Trump On The Record

 

[acptulsa]

Donald Trump On The Record

Now there's a good use for eyes that are wide open. There's proof in that pudding.

Yesterday, the SCOTUS ruled, with Trump appointed judges, to overturn the "Chevron Doctrine".

That would not have happened with judges appointed by a leftist president, Clinton or Biden or whomever.

It was the Chevron doctrine that allowed government agencies like OSHA to mandate lockdowns, mask wearing and forced jabs.

40 years of tyranny by regulation was struck a giant blow.

That is real, not overheated conspiracy theories.

It is one of the five reasons I will vote for Trump this fall.

Now you know why red-blooded American men don't stand up and throw the rascals out. It's because sometimes one of them throws us a bone. That seems to be all they need to do to keep all us lemmings marching toward WWIII.

 

[ProBlue33]

Here is Cenk from the super left Young Turks, he calls like he sees it, he wants the left/Democrats to win, he hates Trump.

https://x.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1806535400065823167

Every Democrat should watch this clip, for the sake of America, get Biden out of there, this isn't even a left or right issue anymore.

That man should not be making the final call if nukes are launched in his state of mind.

 

[acptulsa]

Every Democrat should watch this clip, for the sake of America, get Biden out of there, this isn't even a left or right issue anymore.

That man should not be making the final call if nukes are launched in his state of mind.

Absolutely. But if you had watched RFKJr ripping them both to shreds, if you hadn't been so rightly horrified by the elder abuse, you'd have noticed that Trump shouldn't be making that call either.

But I submit you're worrying about the wrong thing. Neither one would be making the final call. They're both figureheads reading from teleprompters. Better we should concern ourselves with the puppet masters pulling both their strings.

This really is the most important election in our lifetimes, not because there's any significant difference between these two grumpy old men, but because we have the best chance since 1850 to reject both major parties and go a better direction.

 

[ClaytonB]

Government ["savior"] isn't coming to save us

Absolutely. But God is. And so my primary interest in what happens in DC is "how is God arranging to save us?" Note that God is not even saving us "through" the government, because he doesn't need government, not in the way that the carnal mind imagines he does (if he wants to do something, he just does it, he doesn't need any intermediaries). Nevertheless, the government is the primary vehicle of Satan's Age-spanning slavery and oppression, and the elimination of that oppression (along with all other manifestations of sin) is God's primary goal in the church Age. Thus, we can expect that there is coming some kind of cataclysmic change in the world order, and that this cataclysmic change will be the exact opposite of what the "NWO" types think is coming. Rather than a world of never-ending slavery, oppression and war (with themselves at the top), there is coming a New Heavens and New Earth, ruled by Jesus. So, the role of the believer in the civil sphere is to be continually preparing their own heart and mind for this coming world-order (because they will join it no later than their own bodily death), and also to proclaim it to everyone around them so that they can begin preparing, as well.

I do not understand why God has permitted DC to become the cosmic menace that it has become. But whatever his reasons, it just is the cosmic menace on earth, it appears to be the headquarters of all evil on earth, and so it is essentially Mordor. The reason to pay attention to what happens in DC is the same as the reason that the Fellowship of the Ring paid attention to what was going on in Mordor. Not out of loyalty, quite the opposite, out of a desire to remain forewarned and forearmed. No one can say that Trump is not God's agent for the implosion of Mordor upon itself because no one but God would know. My hope and prayer is that that is what God is using Trump for. Perhaps that's too optimistic on my part. If so, I will simply wait upon God to see what he does next. And you're right that government is not a savior, in fact, it is a false-messiah (one of many). There is only one Savior, and he is Jesus...

 

[acptulsa]

No one can say that Trump is not God's agent for the implosion of Mordor upon itself because no one but God would know. My hope and prayer is that that is what God is using Trump for. Perhaps that's too optimistic on my part. If so, I will simply wait upon God to see what he does next. And you're right that government is not a savior, in fact, it is a false-messiah (one of many). There is only one Savior, and he is Jesus...

So, you're saying you are hoping and praying that Trump is the antichrist. Because, like, that's who you're describing.

If that is so, then to vote for Trump is to vote for the antichrist. That is logically, purely and simply what that is. I don't want to have to explain why I knowingly voted for someone I knew very well might be the antichrist on the Day of Reckoning. And I certainly don't want that excuse to be, well, God, I was just trying to hurry You along...

Whoo-ee! I'm ready for Judgement Day! Let's get this show on the road! I think I'll just support the antichrist and see if that lights a fire under God's ass!

I'd rather not vote at all than explain to my Father why He caught me voting for someone I knew just might be that guy.

I think we make a major mistake when we read Revelation and think, oh, I could never vote for the antichrist! But what if the devil is so tricky he could present the antichrist to you as the Lesser Evil? What if the devil used a doddering, senile old codger who sold his soul to the devil decades ago as a false face? What if the devil arranged to have the antichrist run against the devil himself? Then who's the lesser evil?

Does it seem to you that only supernatural forces could be keeping Biden alive at this point?

 

[LibertyEagle]

As compared to what? As compared to writing in Ron Paul in a state where writing in a name voids your whole ballot?

Are you saying you did that? If so, hope it was fun for you, because who else would care?

Or as compared to the even more evil choice you made?

Far from perfect, but after Rand dropped out, by far the best choice in my opinion.

You inflate my "gusto". I said at the time I considered him the lesser of three evils, and that the main thing I liked about him was he didn't represent the "Two Party System".

You want me to repent of that. But I talk about the currency devaluation and the poison jabs, and you say nothing at all.

Probably because I agreed with you. What you seem to not get is that I haven’t hung out here hardly at all in the last years. When I do post about political things, I usually do it where it is doing more than preaching to the choir. I said plenty about the jabs, the masks, the lockdowns, the censorship and a whole lot of other similar topics. I just rarely do it here.

If you really want to hijack this thread further, why not admit what's good for this gander is good for the goose too, and do a little repentance yourself?

It takes two to tango. But we probably should apologize to the moderators. Sorry guys.

Or maybe we could let the thread get back to current events. Gary Johnson, fortunately, is completely irrelevant in the Year of our Lord 2024.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to bookmark this page. I weary of watching you beat a horse which has long since expired, so from now on when your OCD gets a grip on you I'm just going to repost this.

Grow up. Sheesh. I have said that numerous times and actually went in more detail. I would prefer you include the whole thing. I am not afraid of it.

An open mind is a wonderful thing to have. Unfortunately, it has been my experience that it's an easier thing to boast if than to maintain. I do hope you're too superhuman to have to struggle with that.

It definitely is hard. But, when I see solid, verifiable information, I take it in. One thing, depending on what it is, might not, probably won’t, be enough for me to change my mind. But enough will. I was thinking about war when I wrote that. I completely changed my mind about that. About a number of things like foreign aid, about secession, etc.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Now you know why red-blooded American men don't stand up and throw the rascals out. It's because sometimes one of them throws us a bone. That seems to be all they need to do to keep all us lemmings marching toward WWIII.

Overturning Chevron is not a "bone".

That is a massive ruling, that will essentially re-write the entire fedgov apparatus.

It is the regulatory equivalent of ending the Federal Reserve.

Ending the war in Ukraine is one of the five reasons I will vote for Trump, to reduce that threat of WWIII.