The oficially **official** Trump vs. Harris "debate" thread

[Sonny Tufts]

As distinct from whom?

Not from most politicians. But Trump takes lying to a much higher level, both in frequency and in narcissism.

 

[acptulsa]

I think after the dust has settled the main takeaway of the debate is going to be the blatant bias of the media, not any actual content of the debate. And that's probably going to help trump.

Absolutely. Democrats vote for authority, consensus and power. They never vote for candidates who play victim cards. Republicans vote for people who can stand up against adversity. They never vote for candidates who don't have victim cards to play.

Behold the debate where the moderators fact-checked one candidate and let the other lie her ass off (and lied when fact checking him). Behold the debate designed to change nobody's mind, but rather to leave literally everyone even more entrenched than before:

Trump Got Hammered...Right?

It doesn't even matter what these two mental midgets say at this point. It only matters how they get treated by the media.

 

[sdsubball23]

Per: https://www.livenowfox.com/news/who-won-the-debate-sept-10-2024-polls CNN and Newsweek polls both had Harris winning the debate. Fox poll had Trump winning.

Why don't Trump's supporters call him out on his somewhat lackluster debate performance? He needs accountability.

 

[dannno]

Trump offered to shake Kamala's hand and she accepted with her typical smirk.

That's not what happened..

They were both walking out, and Kamala tried to walk over in front of Trump's podium to shake his hand, he pulled the alpha dog and turned and walked behind his podium and she had to completely change direction and walk behind his podium to meet him and shake his hand. Sure, he accepted, but it was her who initiated and was insistent on the hand shake.

 

[vita3]

Trump lost.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Did Kamala just say Trump was lying about her saying she would take guns away? Excuse me while I laugh. Why are the moderators only fact-checking Trump?

Because he's a chronic and habitual liar.

As distinct from whom?

Not from most politicians. But Trump takes lying to a much higher level, both in frequency and in narcissism.

Most politicians are as narcissistic and full of themselves as Trump is. He just wears it on his sleeve.

And if you really think most politicians lie significantly less frequently (or severely) than Trump does, then I don't know what to tell you.

But in any case, none of that has anything to do with why Trump was being subjected to on-the-spot "fact checks" while Harris was not. (Unless you're going to tell us that Trump's lies are somehow "extra-special" ones in urgent need of immediate correction, while Harris' lies are somehow not even worth bothering about at all, so she should get a pass).

If they're going to put on a show of calling one of these clowns out for his lies, then they should call the other clown out for her lies, too.

But they didn't, and they won't - and you know why as well as I and everyone else does.

They could not care less about politicians' lies (nor about their frequency or the narcissism motivating them). If Harris was even more the "higher level [...] frequen[t] [...] narcissis[tic]" liar than Trump, they wouldn't have done anything differently.

 

[nobody's_hero]

Most politicians are as narcissistic and full of themselves as Trump is. He just wears it on his sleeve.

And if you really think most politicians lie significantly less frequently (or severely) than Trump does, then I don't know what to tell you.

But in any case, none of that has anything to do with why Trump was being subjected to on-the-spot "fact checks" while Harris was not. (Unless you're going to tell us that Trump's lies are somehow "extra-special" ones in urgent need of immediate correction, while Harris' lies are somehow not even worth bothering about at all, so she should get a pass).

If they're going to put on a show of calling one of these clowns out for his lies, then they should call the other clown out for her lies, too.

But they didn't, and they won't - and you know why as well as I and everyone else does.

They could not care less about politicians' lies (nor about their frequency or the narcissism motivating them). If Harris was even more the "higher level [...] frequen[t] [...] narcissis[tic]" liar than Trump, they wouldn't have done anything differently.

Frankly I think Trump's narcissism is a boon sometimes.

It's gonna take someone who is a bit full of themselves to stand up to the deep state. It may not be Trump. It certainly isn't Kamala.

Let's pretend for example, that the alphabet agencies go around the world provoking undeclared wars to erupt. (They don't do that, of course, we're just pretending.) Let's pretend that Trump doesn't want a war, and he has the audacity to think he actually has any say in the matter. (All these top generals who Kamala likes to remind everyone of, who turned on Trump, for example, would prefer it if he just stepped back and let them conduct their wars, unimpeded). He sees them as an affront to his authority. His ego, gets in the way.

Trump wants to be seen as a 'deal maker'. He gets off on it. That's his whole thing. He might not even really care about the lives of Ukrainians or Russians being lost. He just wants to make 'good deals. Great deals! The greatest deal evuh.' (my Trump imitation needs work). It's all about him. 'It was me. ME ME ME ME ME. I made those great deals.'

And you know what? I don't really care. I just think we should stop funding the war in Ukraine, and Trump, is such a damned narcissist, he might actually make that happen. If someone tells him he can't do something (YoU cAn'T juSt NegOTiatE wiTh PuTIn!), it seems to motivate him to want to do it more. And he will, of course, be doing it, just so it'll be his name in the big lights. The whole world's eyes on Trump as he negotiates a historic peace agreement between the West and Russia.

He's a narcissist. So what?

 

[Occam's Banana]

Frankly I think Trump's narcissism is a boon sometimes.

I agree.

Also, "narcissistic" doesn't mean "not charismatic".

It's gonna take someone who is a bit full of themselves to stand up to the deep state. It may not be Trump. It certainly isn't Kamala.

Let's pretend for example, that the alphabet agencies go around the world provoking undeclared wars to erupt. (They don't do that, of course, we're just pretending.) Let's pretend that Trump doesn't want a war, and he has the audacity to think he actually has any say in the matter. (All these top generals who Kamala likes to remind everyone of, who turned on Trump, for example, would prefer it if he just stepped back and let them conduct their wars, unimpeded). He sees them as an affront to his authority. His ego, gets in the way.

Trump wants to be seen as a 'deal maker'. He gets off on it. That's his whole thing. He might not even really care about the lives of Ukrainians or Russians being lost. He just wants to make 'good deals. Great deals! The greatest deal evuh.' (my Trump imitation needs work). It's all about him. 'It was me. ME ME ME ME ME. I made those great deals.'

And you know what? I don't really care. I just think we should stop funding the war in Ukraine, and Trump, is such a damned narcissist, he might actually make that happen. If someone tells him he can't do something (YoU cAn'T juSt NegOTiatE wiTh PuTIn!), it seems to motivate him to want to do it more. And he will, of course, be doing it, just so it'll be his name in the big lights. The whole world's eyes on Trump as he negotiates a historic peace agreement between the West and Russia.

Beyond gratifying his own ego, Trump has no principles (as I've mentioned more than once elsewhere).

And that still puts him ahead of much of his political opposition, who have bad principles.

He may occasionally do the right thing - or at least, the not-(as-)wrong thing - if only incidentally or by happenstance.

He's a narcissist. So what?

Ask Sonny Tufts. He's the one who seems to think it justifies holding Harris less accountable for her lies than Trump for his.

 

[A. Havnes]

I agree.

Also, "narcissistic" doesn't mean "not charismatic".



Beyond gratifying his own ego, Trump has no principles (as I've mentioned more than once elsewhere).

And that still puts him ahead of much of his political opposition, who have bad principles.

He may occasionally do the right thing - or at least, the not-(as-)wrong thing - if only incidentally or by happenstance.



Ask Sonny Tufts. He's the one who seems to think it justifies holding Harris less accountable for her lies than Trump for his.

As long as Trump thinks actual good policies will draw crowds and cheers, he’s good for us. It’s a sad thing to say, though.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

https://x.com/jimmyfailla/status/1833695122996781145

 

[unknown]

IMHO, there are a few "slam dunk" issues for the GOP:

The economy.

The war on gasoline.

The southern border.

If they can't capitalize on these issues, then they're a bunch of fucking idiots.

 

[TheCount]

IMHO, there are a few "slam dunk" issues for the GOP:

The economy.

The war on gasoline.

The southern border.

If they can't capitalize on these issues, then they're a bunch of fucking idiots.

They're too busy getting distracted with shit they literally made up.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Maybe I read that debate wrong...Harris did so bad Biden is supporting Trump.

LOL

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1833925793866772513

 

[Sonny Tufts]

And if you really think most politicians lie significantly less frequently (or severely) than Trump does, then I don't know what to tell you.

You obviously haven't been listening to Trump very much. How can you tell he's lying? His lips are moving..

But in any case, none of that has anything to do with why Trump was being subjected to on-the-spot "fact checks" while Harris was not. (Unless you're going to tell us that Trump's lies are somehow "extra-special" ones in urgent need of immediate correction, while Harris' lies are somehow not even worth bothering about at all, so she should get a pass).

No, she shouldn't get a pass. Here's a link to today's article by Politifact in which it analyzes the claims of both Trump and Harris during the debate. https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/sep/11/2024-presidential-debate-fact-check-harris-trump/

If they're going to put on a show of calling one of these clowns out for his lies, then they should call the other clown out for her lies, too.

Yes, they should. But I wonder if one factor was that Trump repeated lies he has spewed in the past and the moderators probably figured he'd do so again so they had the facts at hand, whereas Harris didn't have a long enough lying track record (compared to Trump, no one does) and they weren't sure what she was going to say.

So if it would please you, have Fox News moderate the next debate. They wouldn't fact check Trump at all.

 

[acptulsa]

...whereas Harris didn't have a long enough lying track record (compared to Trump, no one does)...

Compared to Trump? We're grading on a curve now?

Her track record of lying is long enough for anyone who isn't a stooge. And Politifact after the fact is kind of like pissing on the rubble of that house which burned down last week. Way too little, way too late.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1834263488731980187

 

[unknown]

https://x.com/AntiFeder1776/status/1834263488731980187

I love when Daniel throws in a quick comment and Dr. Paul is right on top of it.

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1834215914658582827

 

[A. Havnes]