The oficially **official** Trump vs. Harris "debate" thread

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WarriorLiberty said:
You guys realize what her win would mean right?

She would be bad for the southern borders and free speech.

The economy will be cooked under Harris.


Harris is a supporter of this ESG/DEI in companies.
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I haven't seen a single person in this thread argue for a Kamala Harris win. That said...

God grant me the courage to change the things I can change....the serenity to accept the things I can't change...and the wisdom to know the difference.

I will sleep like a baby on November 5th.
 
jmdrake said:
I haven't seen a single person in this thread argue for a Kamala Harris win. That said...

God grant me the courage to change the things I can change....the serenity to accept the things I can't change...and the wisdom to know the difference.

I will sleep like a baby on November 5th.
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again."
 
How are we here just calmly discussing this while Haitians in Ohio are eating post-birth abortion babies?
 
Brian4Liberty said:
And Kamala wins the debate.
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Anti Federalist said:
So, can I get an objective opinion of who "won"?
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See above.

Trump was overconfident. Just the fact alone that the Trump campaign agreed to the "rules" and venue for this debate proves that.

Trump thrives on an audience. He is a performer, like a stand-up comedian, and he needs the back and forth with an audience. How many POTUS debates don't have an audience? They took the biggest part of Trump's debate performances away from him. Then there is agreeing to the biased moderation. It just seems like Trump wings everything, and he takes every debate as an "ask me anything" kind of interview. He lets the opponent and the moderators drive the conversation.

Also, Trump's age is showing more and more. Anyone over 70 is going to have problems coming up quickly with words. When Trump is up against Biden, he looks good relative to a senile old man. But now Trump comes off as the old man.

In this scenario, who could argue that Vivek, Tulsi or DeSantis wouldn't have done a better job? They would have facts and figures, they would be more articulate, and they wouldn't be as susceptible to manipulation, baiting and allowing the opposition to fully control the direction of the debate.

All that being said, a debate at this point doesn't mean anything. Everyone has made up their minds. We know what the policies will be. None of that changes. An arm wrestling or acapella rendition of the national anthem contest would be just as relevant to the election.
 
TheCount said:
How are we here just calmly discussing this while Haitians in Ohio are eating post-birth abortion babies?
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Come on man, is that as important as Trump being at the white supremacist meetings plotting how to put immigrant anchor babies back into their mothers so they can be deported?
 
Brian4Liberty said:
All that being said, a debate at this point doesn't mean anything. Everyone has made up their minds. We know what the policies will be. None of that changes. An arm wrestling or acapella rendition of the national anthem contest would be just as relevant to the election.
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Oh, I disagree. This debate DOES mean something. You're right about people having already made up their minds, but this "election" isn't about the votes. It's about plausibility. And many Trump supporters came away from that scared. Why? Because now they think there's a chance they could lose. And that's what matters. Because if enough people think it's plausible, it gives the intel agencies free rein to rig the result.

Trump may salvage this yet, but he royally screwed up. Again.
 
CaptUSA said:
Oh, I disagree. This debate DOES mean something. You're right about people having already made up their minds, but this "election" isn't about the votes. It's about plausibility. And many Trump supporters came away from that scared. Why? Because now they think there's a chance they could lose. And that's what matters. Because if enough people think it's plausible, it gives the intel agencies free rein to rig the result.

Trump may salvage this yet, but he royally screwed up. Again.
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Ah yes, comrade. I had temporarily forgotten how democracy works in America.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
Also, Trump's age is showing more and more. Anyone over 70 is going to have problems coming up quickly with words. When Trump is up against Biden, he looks good relative to a senile old man. But now Trump comes off as the old man.

In this scenario, who could argue that Vivek, Tulsi or DeSantis wouldn't have done a better job? They would have facts and figures, they would be more articulate, and they wouldn't be as susceptible to manipulation, baiting and allowing the opposition to fully control the direction of the debate.
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How I wish Vivek or Tulsi had been on that debate stage! They would easily have dismantled Kamala, and one of them had already done so in the 2020 debates. Even so, with moderators like those two, it would be hard for either of them to maintain the upper hand, but I think they would've fared better than Trump did.

Trump speaks in generalities and uses grandiose, non-specific statements. It works great at rallies, but it comes across as weak compared to someone like Kamala, even as she name-drops neocons left and right and pretends she has real bipartisan support. I'm not saying Kamala came to this debate prepared and with facts, figures, and statistics in her back pocket, but her general wording and at least pretending to keep the focus on American people who really want the government to wriggle its tentacles into every facet of their lives made her seem personable and more eloquent than we've come to expect from her.
 
Anti Federalist said:
So, can I get an objective opinion of who "won"?
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Harris won - by not losing. She didn't screw up in any major way.

Compared to Biden's performance in the previous "debate" (not a high bar), she was smooth, glib, and well-practiced - she didn't cackle even once (though several times she looked like she was on the verge of doing so).
 
A moment of honesty: I'm worried about where this is going. The very fact that Trump conceded to have this debate on ABC and get gang-stomped by the "moderator" and Kamala in absolute cahoots, shows that something isn't right. Trump literally dodged a bullet in Butler, PA but be honest: a network of actors who are desperate and capable enough to take a crack shot at a former US President and current Presidential candidate (and, by all rights, should have blown his head off) isn't going to stop after they miss, no matter how frustrated they may be at having missed the shot. Remember, just being able to set up a shot like that is practically impossible. No "lone 20-year-old gunman" could just "somehow" arrange to even get in position for a shot like that. So, whoever did that had not only the motive but also the means to create that opportunity. The debate was basically the verbal equivalent of an assassination in respect to how absolutely one-sided it was. Kamala came out looking rational. She did not come across as her usual airhead schtick. It doesn't matter how astroturfed it was behind the scenes, 90+% of Americans are utterly clued out to that kind of thing. All they see is the broadcast itself. Soviet propaganda works. That's how you get communism, duh, because the propaganda actually works. So, if you're pinning your hopes on Americans "seeing through the lies", I suspect you are in for a desperate disappointment. I don't know how this election will turn out, but I rate the chances of Trump winning fairly and the results being honestly acknowledged, to be less than 1%. The potshot in Butler, PA was a stretch-goal, meaning, it wasn't their main hope. Throwing the 2024 election is the main goal, their last line of defense. And if they throw this one again, 40+% of Americans will wake up to what's really going on. But this time, it really will be too late. All that is left to do is to pray...
 
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Brian4Liberty said:

https://x.com/ggreenwald/status/1833685173101056492
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I didn't watch the debate but I saw a clip where harris strung together about 5 blatant lies and the moderators never even questioned her about them.

I think after the dust has settled the main takeaway of the debate is going to be the blatant bias of the media, not any actual content of the debate. And that's probably going to help trump.
 
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