The Official May 5th Fox Debate Thread.

[freshjiva]

Dr. Paul badly needs help preparing for these debates. I simply do not understand why he continues to refuse to get that help from someone. Perhaps someone like Doug Wead.

I agree. To us, RP is awesome. But to the average voter, he did not win any new support.

 

[Brett85]

The question was framed differently, and Ron got the crowd roaring for legalizing heroin. Seriously. In South Carolina.

I bet you loved Ron's response regarding Israel

Also, seeing the first debate, Ron and Gary are going to alternate taking the hard stances on issues. I think it's going to work out after all.

I thought that Ron's response on Israel was great, and he needs to answer all of the questions in that manner. What he said came across as being strong, but it was still the non interventionist position to take.

But were all of the people cheering for Ron the campaign for liberty people? Or do you think it was the general audience that agreed with him on that?

 

[LibertyEagle]

But were all of the people cheering for Ron the campaign for liberty people? Or do you think it was the general audience that agreed with him on that?

I'm betting it was the C4L people. None of the people in front clapped.

 

[doodle]

Didn't see this thread before staring my own soap box.


I missed first quarter and watched the rest of debate today. I got the sense that overall, debate today was bit less energetic compred to now historic 08 debates, both from the questioners and candidates camps. Part of the reason for less sparks today maybe there were no more hardcore neocon idealogues on stage to disagree with Ron's cut spending/we are broke/end foreign empire spending etc. and many on both sides of the candidates/media pundits have come to accept what Ron was predicting. Hence a lot of "we are broke" from podiums today as opposed to lonesome RP in 08.

Overall I felt Ron did better than everyone else, although RP did not display his top performance today. Maybe time to warmup for the bigger deabtes ahead.

Ron Paul raiang almost $1Mil today attests also that RP's magic is growing.

 

[tpreitzel]

Ron comes across as a very likable guy who is honest. This is good for him.

Right, Ron needs to display that charismatic smile more often. Although I disagree with Johnson's position on abortion, at least he stuck to his principles. He didn't sound like a typical waffling politician pandering to the electorate.

 

[doodle]

Ron comes across as a very likable guy who is honest. This is good for him.

That is his secret.

Ron Paul is a rarity in modern day politics with his honesty and courage to speak the truth even when it's very unpopular to do so, that is why he inspires such level of loyalty among those who get to know him even if they don't agree 100% with him on every single issue.

 

[Toureg89]

is there a youtube link in this 10+ page thread?

 

[Shane Harris]

someone needs to ask faux news how many "top-tier" candidates raised 1,000,000 dollars today??? thats what I thought.

but on the other hand at least the other candidates got shit for pussing out after the debate.

 

[SamuraisWisdom]

Youtube?? I was at work all night and couldn't watch...

 

[07041826]

 

[SamuraisWisdom]

You are awesome

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Watch this. I can walk up to a Tea Partier into Cain, and legitimately say:

"You know, I do like Cain, because he appeals the the workingman, and had a record of making things work. He will probably be able to cut a lot of red tape, he also knows how the military works, and would not have to be trained to be Commander in Chief.

He sounds ok domestically, and the right economic advisers could maybe help, and finally, as an unpolished not-politician you can be pretty sure that he actually means what he says.

But there is a problem, and it is a deal-breaker for fundamental Constitutionalist reform of government. Cain is still advancing the Wilsonian foreign policy, USA world-police, which if we don't give up on will one day break our own back as a nation. (and perhaps too soon for comfort)

It costs a lot of money to police the planet. At the moment we are indebting our unborn grandchildren to police the world today. How is that all going to work out in the end?

debate references: Thomas Jefferson, Robert A Taft, Woodrow Wilson

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Dr. Paul badly needs help preparing for these debates. I simply do not understand why he continues to refuse to get that help from someone. Perhaps someone like Doug Wead.

Debate coach Doug Wead. Heavens. we must make that happen.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I want a clip of Ron's answer to drug legalization. That was probably the single greatest answer I've ever heard to anything.

Forget "There you go again!" (Reagan v. Mondale).
Forget "...you're no Jack Kennedy" (Bentsen v. Quayle).

"Oh, yeah! ... I don't wanna use heroin, so I need the government to take care of me, so I need these laws!!"

Ron Paul FTW!

 

[Aldanga]

Debate coach Doug Wead. Heavens. we must make that happen.

I was just thinking about this tonight. This is a necessity.

 

[ForLibertyFight]

Ron seriously needs a debate coach. Like a one of the previous post said: he might sound amazing to us but he doesn't really appeal to your AVERAGE GOP voter. Dr. Paul needs to refine his image and his message to make it resonate with the average GOP voter...

-talk about his consistency
-talk about our economic problems in SIMPLE TERMS
-talk about how he pointed out our problems back in 2008
-talk about how he's the best chance the GOP has winning in 2012
-talk about how he's the ONLY candidate who served in the military

there are TONS of things that he doesn't talk about but HE NEEDS TO.

 

[doodle]

Thank you, I had missed some very important parts of the debate.

It was not a low energy debate really as I thought earlier.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I was just thinking about this tonight. This is a necessity.

What if the grassroots raised the money to pay Wead's salary and expenses to be a debate coach, and then offer his services to Dr. Paul's campaign for free?

 

[ForLibertyFight]

What if the grassroots raised the money to pay Wead's salary and expenses to be a debate coach, and then offer his services to Dr. Paul's campaign for free?

We just raised a million dollars for him tonight.
The official campaign should pay for one if they are SERIOUS about winning this time around.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Dr. Paul badly needs help preparing for these debates. I simply do not understand why he continues to refuse to get that help from someone. Perhaps someone like Doug Wead.

Debate coach Doug Wead. Heavens. we must make that happen.

Tom Woods agrees.
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/the-ron-paul-moneybomb/

The Ron Paul Debate Day Moneybomb has raised just over $1 million, a very substantial achievement. The initial goal was $2 million. One thing that would help fundraising substantially is some kind of indication that the money will be better spent this time. Many people went into considerable debt last time in order to max out to the campaign, only to see amateurish TV ads, squandered opportunities, legions of unreturned phone calls, and so on. These good people deserve better. Will things be different this time? Will the personnel change, in light of the 2008 campaign’s problems, or will we see the same names again? Will there be the kind of debate rehearsal and coaching that goes on in other campaigns? This kind of information would go a long way toward reassuring the grassroots that the official campaign is a good place to send their money.

(emphasis mine)

What if the grassroots raised the money to pay Wead's salary and expenses to be a debate coach, and then offer his services to Dr. Paul's campaign for free?

Perhaps Tom could be prevailed upon to approach the campaign about this?