The Official May 5th Fox Debate Thread.

[Feeding the Abscess]

I nominate Tom Woods to be Ron's debate coach.

 

[BenIsForRon]

booooooooooooooom shakalaka

 

[georgiaboy]

Ron's answers have definitely improved over 2008's. His personality and energy came off well. Likability factor much improved. More coaching, please.

Fox continues to disappoint. I had thought there were signals that he was going to be treated better this time around, but the gotcha type questions continue. Their attempts at marginalizing are just disgusting. Not giving Ron Paul - as they said the godfather of the tea party - economic questions, especially knowing this is what is on people's minds now, not drugs or marriage, is really disgusting.

This time around, though, I think the rank & file are poised to see through this media charade. I think Fox actually came off looking more overt in their manipulation, and people are wising up.

The fight continues, and even despite their efforts, we are in fact winning.

RP2012.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

"I need the government to take care of me: I don't want to use heroin, so I need these laws!"~Ron Paul

 

[Brett85]

Watch this. I can walk up to a Tea Partier into Cain, and legitimately say:

"You know, I do like Cain, because he appeals the the workingman, and had a record of making things work. He will probably be able to cut a lot of red tape, he also knows how the military works, and would not have to be trained to be Commander in Chief.

He sounds ok domestically, and the right economic advisers could maybe help, and finally, as an unpolished not-politician you can be pretty sure that he actually means what he says.

But there is a problem, and it is a deal-breaker for fundamental Constitutionalist reform of government. Cain is still advancing the Wilsonian foreign policy, USA world-police, which if we don't give up on will one day break our own back as a nation. (and perhaps too soon for comfort)

It costs a lot of money to police the planet. At the moment we are indebting our unborn grandchildren to police the world today. How is that all going to work out in the end?

debate references: Thomas Jefferson, Robert A Taft, Woodrow Wilson

When did he advocate an interventionist foreign policy in the debate? He basically gave a neutral answer on the Afghanistan issue, saying that he would study the issue and discuss it with commanders on the ground. On Hannity's show he said that the United States shouldn't police the world. I'm not a Herman Cain supporter, but it's important to accurately represent what he believes in. He really hasn't articulated a clear foreign policy vision to be honest.

 

[WilliamC]

Better late than never.

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[GuerrillaXXI]

I'm very impressed with Ron's performance here. I think he handled the "gotcha" questions from those Fox News maggots with a lot of poise and confidence and hit several home runs. Outstanding!

 

[low preference guy]

Dr. Paul badly needs help preparing for these debates. I simply do not understand why he continues to refuse to get that help from someone. Perhaps someone like Doug Wead.

He is not getting help because he is doing great. Moreover, Ron Paul recently said that his advisers don't want to change his positions, but present them differently. Ron said he can't do that, and I'm glad because he is doing awesome.

 

[Matthew Zak]

Yeah Ron stumbles when he tries to roll out some pre-rehersed one liners. He's witty enough to make great points on the spot... he's educated.

 

[AuH20]

He is not getting help because he is doing great. Moreover, Ron Paul recently said that his advisers don't want to change his positions, but present them differently. Ron said he can't do that, and I'm glad because he is doing awesome.

He's not doing great. He has the tendency to stammer and not complete his thoughts coherently. I blame alot of that on the short response time. He's much better in casual sit downs (see the Glenn Beck interview). Face it. Ron is not a good campaigner in this superficial soundbyte driven campaign environment.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

A debate coach shouldn't even have to change the way you present yourself. He just has to play devils advocate and argue with you a few hours every day. It's called sharpening the knife. the Bible calls it "iron against iron"

 

[pcosmar]

A debate coach shouldn't even have to change the way you present yourself. He just has to play devils advocate and argue with you a few hours every day. It's called sharpening the knife. the Bible calls it "iron against iron"

Yes it does. and that is also what we do here.

That whole thing and the aftermath is really disgusting. There was only one man on that stage that was guided by principals.
My brain is not even able to fully absorb the reactions I am seeing.

I've been out rolling faggots trying to clear my head.
Did everybody watch the same show I did?
Do these other folks represent Your Values?
Do they have any values that are apparent?

I'm having a failure to comprehend.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yes it does. and that is also what we do here.

That whole thing and the aftermath is really disgusting. There was only one man on that stage that was guided by principals.
My brain is not even able to fully absorb the reactions I am seeing.

I've been out rolling faggots trying to clear my head.
Did everybody watch the same show I did?
Do these other folks represent Your Values?
Do they have any values that are apparent?

I'm having a failure to comprehend.

I thought RP was awesome, he has a different attitude than he did in 2007/2008 and it is obvious that he will be remarkably stronger this time around. I agree some people have already run way off into the weeds, probably panicking at the obvious chance of winning, but still I don't think a discussion on how to help make a stronger, better, more "Ron Paul-ish" Ron Paul emerge in the debates is out of order.

I have already said, everything he needs to do, he is already doing. He is already taking a more executive approach over a deliberative approach. He is already being more assertive in the debates. He is already tightening his language into memorable sound bites (to a large degree when compared to 2007-2008). Personally, I think working with Doug Wead to sharpen that particular facet is an amazing idea. Wead has a keen sense of journalistic entrapment, and an ironic sense of prevailing political philosophies. Just the perfect thing to help turn trap-avoidances into audience-laughing jokes, which has always endeared a candidate to the American people before.

Everything they need to be doing, they are already doing. They just may not have considered Wead, nor (I am sure) has Wead himself even heard of the proposition. I just think it's the perfect chemistry to help create strength even faster than they already are.

 

[Zap!]

Santorum is so pro-war it's disgusting. Too bad, because if you take his views on gays and abortion (which I agree with him on) and combine them with Ron Paul, you get Pat Buchanan.

Ron did excellent, I really think he could win this time around.

 

[Zap!]

Don't take this the wrong way anybody, but how was a black man a CEO of a pizza place? Even if it were an Irishman or a German, that would be pushing it. Couldn't they find an Italian American?

 

[georgiaboy]

I think Ron won this debate head over heels over everyone else, and I think much of voting GOP America thought the same thing. This [Mc]Cain thingy is pure baloney misdirection and won't last.

We're winning, and only just begun. Didn't we also raise like over $1Million to boot?

 

[AGRP]

I'm very impressed with Ron's performance here. I think he handled the "gotcha" questions from those Fox News maggots with a lot of poise and confidence and hit several home runs. Outstanding!

We'll NEVER see the same level of "gotcha" questions that are based on positions/values posed to the other candidates because the MSM is out to get Paul based on his positions.

Have we heard ONE question posed to any candidate on Fox that exaggerated their Neocon positions such as "Will you, ______, wage war against every country on earth that allows Islam?"

Not that I remember.

 

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Don't take this the wrong way anybody, but how was a black man a CEO of a pizza place? Even if it were an Irishman or a German, that would be pushing it. Couldn't they find an Italian American?

how are people not supposed to take that "the wrong way" ?

 

[pcosmar]

how are people not supposed to take that "the wrong way" ?

Pizza is Italian, or at least considered as such.
Why wouldn't an Italian be expected??



and why does it really matter?

 

[Zap!]

how are people not supposed to take that "the wrong way" ?

I would ask my non Italian friends the same question. If I went to a pizza place and it was owned by a Chinese man, I certainly would still eat there. But I also would say "hmm..." and find it a little funny. Racism? Absolutely not, I abhor racism of all kinds.