Teenager killed by neighborhood watch captain

[moderate libertarian]

Newt unloads on Obama and he has a point:

Newt calls Obama's Trayvon Martin comments 'disgraceful'

By MAGGIE HABERMAN | 3/23/12 7:11 PM EDT
Per POLITICO's Ginger Gibson, Newt Gingrich accused President Obama of playing race:

Newt Gingrich called Obama's remarks about Trayvon Martin "disgraceful" in an interview with Sean Hannity, according to CBS/National Journal.

“It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background," Gingrich said. "Is the President suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot that would be ok because it didn’t look like him?"

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns...ayvon-martin-comments-disgraceful-118518.html


That is going to be a hard question for Obama to answer.

Next question would be, did this plant didn't say anything about any of the many children killed by remote control drone bombs because of their skin shade or facial geometry?

 

[40oz]

Maybe it should have gone down like this...

 

[Noble Savage]

people are killing one another every night, left and right, young and old, black and white and the media rakes it in as they pimp the spin boom shakalaka boom

 

[BlackTerrel]

I'm just getting up to speed on this story, so RPFer's, help me out here, please.

Is this about the long and short of it?

1 - Shooter was a wanna be cop.

2 - Shooter was a "neighborhood watch" captain, i.e. - a buttinsky.

3 - Shooter had a long history of calling cops for the slightest thing.

4 - Shooter started following this kid, after being told by 911 not to follow him.

5 - Shooter kills the kid dead, after claiming the victim "had something in his hand".

6 - Shooter walks, after cops give him a "wink wink, nudge nudge".

7 - Outrage follows as the story is broken, not by the "media" but by the blogosphere.

8 - Summation - If Zimmerman had not acted like a jackass and waited until he got a government badge and uniform, he'd be on paid vacation right now.

This. I'd add this to your #2. Do you know how much of an idiot you have to be to match your point #1 and be a "wanna be cop"? Being a cop requires zero fitness and an IQ over 65. The fact that this guy was 28 and wasn't even capable of being a cop tells you a lot about this guy and his makeup.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Yet, the president [Obama/Bush] has attended how many funerals?

How is this in any way relevant. Travyon Martin has NOTHING do with the war in Afghanistan. He was a 17 year old kid walking in a neighborhood in Florida.

 

[BlackTerrel]

All of the evidence indicates that the 'kid' (ignore the 5 -6 year out of date MSM pics-the youg male was over 6 foot and 170 pounds- a football player) started the altercation had the watch guy down & was beating him viciously. The shoot was righteous.

What??? Are you nuts? What "evidence" indicates that Travyon started the altercation.

Travyon was minding his own business when a 28 year old wannabe cop armed with a gun started chasing him. This is one of the most straightforward cases I have EVER seen! You have to be kidding me.

There is no evidence because the cops refused to investigate and instead let their guy Zimmerman walk.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Did you not read my post, or are you being deliberately obtuse?

Obama made a very solemn comment that this young man looked like the "son he never had", or something to that effect. It is pretty clear that this comment was meant to express a personal connection to this sad, terrible situation. All well fine and good... if it weren't for the fact that Barack Obama is personally responsible for the MURDER of untold numbers of little brown boys and girls in numerous countries around the world.

What exactly is he supposed to say? Are you fucking kidding me?

HE IS SUPPOSED TO GET DOWN ON HIS GOD DAMNED KNEES AND BEG FOR FORGIVENESS.

...not try to make some political hay out of tragedy which - surprisingly - he had no personal hand in.

I apologize for the vulgar language in my last post. It is not my typical practice... some things drive me to a rage, and I think in this instance, I'll leave the language in place, to illustrate my contempt.

What exactly drove you into a rage? A thread about an unarmed kid who got mowed down in Florida - and you were driven into a rage because of the war in Afghanistan? The two are not related AT ALL.

There are 100 threads about the war in Afghanistan and you are free to comment in them. This is about a kid who got mowed down here in the USA. Travyon Martin has nothing do with war or Afghanistan or Iraq or WMD's.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Newt unloads on Obama and he has a point:

Newt never has a point.

“It’s not a question of who that young man looked like. Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe, period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background," Gingrich said. "Is the President suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot that would be ok because it didn’t look like him?"

Really? Fucking really? You actually think this is a legitimate point? That Obama is saying it is "ok" for unarmed white kids in Florida to be mowed down? Anyone who is reading that into Obama's comments has a reading comprehension problem or is simply looking for a reason to be offended.

That is going to be a hard question for Obama to answer.

No it is an easy question to answer. The answer is: "Shooting unarmed kids for no reason other than they look suspicious is always wrong. duh. And it doesn't matter what race they are." And I'd follow that up with a "shut the fuck up Newt and get a real issue to talk about".

Next question would be, did this plant didn't say anything about any of the many children killed by remote control drone bombs because of their skin shade or facial geometry?

Holy crap get off of it. How many times is this going to be brought up in this thread?

What the hell does Travyon Martin have to do with a war in Aghanistan? Nothing! Look I get that there are wars going on that I, and most everyone on this forum opposes. But you don't need to bring it up and shove it in everyones face every 15 seconds.

Oh Trevyon Martin was shot? Oh well did you know there are kids in Afghanistan that got shot

Oh you like chocolate milk? Well kids in Afghanistan don't have chocolate milk because Obama drops drones on them and then drinks their blood.

I get it. I really do. I understand that there is a war going on. Just because there is one thread not about the war in Afghanistan doesn't mean anyone's forgotten about it ok?

 

[r3volution]

What??? Are you nuts? What "evidence" indicates that Travyon started the altercation.

Travyon was minding his own business when a 28 year old wannabe cop armed with a gun started chasing him. This is one of the most straightforward cases I have EVER seen! You have to be kidding me.

There is no evidence because the cops refused to investigate and instead let their guy Zimmerman walk.

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

 

[r3volution]

 

[JWZguy]

I'm sure Obama will make a retraction immediately.

 

[Anti Federalist]

What do you make of the national outcry regarding the Trayvon Martin case? Personally I think people all across America are getting more vocal... not just Ron Paul supporters! I think that part of it is good. The national press coverage, Im more mixed on.

In general, I think its also healthy that a racial justice case can get so much coverage. However, many who bring it up may be motivated more by their anti-gun views and belief in big central government than a serious concern for black life.

Honestly, once it became a "racial" case, the concept of any form of justice went sailing right out the window.

No matter what happens now, it will all be tainted with: "It only went down that way because he was *this color*!!!"

This was, in my mind, a logical extension of the increasing numbers of cops killing citizens on the slimmest of pretexts.

Wannabe cop figured he could do the same thing.

Race doesn't figure into this at all, cops are equal opportunity anymore, when it comes to lighting our asses up.

Just ask Nick Christie.

Oh yeah, that's right, you can't.

Because he's dead, tortured to death by FL cops.

 

[MelissaWV]

OMG you mean he wears a hoodie AND he has gold teeth (that Zimmerman couldn't see while following him) AND he has flipped the bird at a camera?!?

Well that changes EVERYTHING!!!

I see a scrawny kid who was outweighed by 100 pounds in this fight, not to mention his opponent had a car and a gun at his disposal. If you're trying to imply that this kiddo was up to the task, armed only with gold teeth and some Skittles, you really are out of your damned mind.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Thuggish looking young black kid is thuggish looking.

That still does not give anybody the right to follow someone around and kill them.

This killing will be used non stop as an anti gun and anti CCW propaganda tool.

The only way to to counter that is to be consistent.

Based on the facts presented, there is no justification for what Zimmerman did, either under "Stand Your Ground" or existing deadly force statutes.

 

[tod evans]

Just ask Nick Christie.

Oh yeah, that's right, you can't.

Because he's dead, tortured to death by FL cops.

Where are Jessie and Louis or even Obama for this guy?

Race baiters I say!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Where are Jessie and Louis or even Obama for this guy?

Race baiters I say!

Nowhere to be seen.

 

[MelissaWV]

Oh and very cute how they used the word "stalking" on a rainy night. Yes, walking to the store is suspicious activity. I've had people I know get stopped by the cops and given the "papers please" treatment for it. No need to try to make it seem like this was some imposing, threatening dude powering his way down the street like he owned the place.

No kidding they are not using a blurry self-pic of a kid flipping people off on tee shirts.

I am sure there are some pretty bad photos out there of the shooter, too, and they are equally as irrelevant.

 

[Voluntary Man]

How is this in any way relevant. Travyon Martin has NOTHING do with the war in Afghanistan. He was a 17 year old kid walking in a neighborhood in Florida.

(a) The Secretary concerned may accept original enlistments in the Regular Army, Regular Navy, Regular Air Force, Regular Marine Corps, or Regular Coast Guard, as the case may be, of qualified, effective, and able-bodied persons who are not less than seventeen years of age nor more than forty-two years of age.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/505

You're right. I'm wrong. I'm sure you would be devoting the exact same amount of attention and passion to this case if the races were reversed, and your position wouldn't shift even the slightest, because YOU are not a racist, not even a little bit. See, the problem here that other people have with this case -- not YOU, of course -- is that this case has become too racially charged for other people -- not YOU -- to maintain their objectivity. So, you continue to be right, and I'll just be wrong, because I suggested that the president should be just as concerned about the 17 year old American kids whose lives are directly in his hands. But, what the hell do I know? Nothing, apparently. You're right.

It's looking more and more certain [that Zimmerman will be lynched]. I usually give "civilians" the benefit of the doubt, in such cases -- whereas I hold police to a higher standard of accountability, especially since, as a group (oh no! was that collectivist?), they are next to never prosecuted for even the most egregious abuses.

That said, I was one of the last holdouts during the OJ arrest and trial. I refused to render an opinion on the case, until after it was concluded. As a rule, once a "case" has become as racially polarized as this one is becoming, I just walk away.

This is me walking away....

 

[tod evans]

Nowhere to be seen.

Guess you ought to find a Pollack, Irishman, Chinaman and an Eskimo who have suffered at the hands of the Fla. cops or you too will be in the cross-hairs for no diversity. [ sarcasm! ]

 

[MelissaWV]

Nowhere to be seen.

This'll get your older-RPFer conspiracy radar going.

I was having a discussion with someone about this last night, bringing them up to speed on the case. Here comes what's likely a long, hot summer. There's a big political race. People are already pissed about the economy and other crap (but in misguided ways). People get killed and maimed regularly.

But where did this kid get killed?

Less than two hours from Tampa where the GOP Convention is going to be

mmkay proceed.