Teenager killed by neighborhood watch captain

[r3volution]

did any1 bother to read the news link i posted ?

 

[thoughtomator]

more info has come out on this story... looks like another one of those stories where the truth is exactly the opposite of the media spin

Apparently the guy who shot Martin was violently assaulted and bloodied by the deceased, which is apparently confirmed by both an independent witness and 911 recordings.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Where are Jessie and Louis or even Obama for this guy?

Race baiters I say!

You won't hear them on this either:

On Wednesday night a New Orleans police officer shot and killed an unarmed 20-year-old man, Wendell Allen, during a pot raid. Police, who had a search warrant, say they recovered about five ounces of marijuana, bags, digital scales, and a handgun from the house. They arrested two men for possession with intent to distribute. Allen, a former high school basketball star who was given a five-year suspended sentence for that offense last year, escaped charges this time around, what with being dead and all. The New Orleans Police Department is investigating why Officer Josh Colclough shot Allen,

http://reason.com/blog/2012/03/09/new-orleans-police-kill-unarmed-man-duri

 

[Anti Federalist]

more info has come out on this story... looks like another one of those stories where the truth is exactly the opposite of the media spin

Apparently the guy who shot Martin was violently assaulted and bloodied by the deceased, which is apparently confirmed by both an independent witness and 911 recordings.

Before or after he was told to stand down and stop following him?

 

[cartemj06]

Jesus Christ, I tried to be civil about this last night when I posted in here and it seems that it only added to the shit storm. Why does everyone all the sudden get stupid about this case?

1) Zimmerman looks more hispanic than white
2) Trayvon was not a a cute little angel kid
3) Zimmerman is a wanna be cop
4) Trayvon was Suspended from school and thus in a different neighborhood than his home on that night.
5) Wanna be cop Zimmerman sees thuggish looking kid in hoodie on rainy night
6) Zimmerman calls police tells them he is following kid
7)Police dispatch tells him no to follow kid
8) he follows kid
9) at some point zimmerman exits his vehicle
9a) Did trayvon approach the car?
9b) did Zimmerman exit car to approach Trayvon?
10) Zimmerman is out of his car at this point, there is an assault...
10a) Did Zimmerman approach Trayvon all billy bad ass and get whooped?
10b) Did Zimmerman approach Trayvon politely and get a wrath of shit?
10c) Did Trayvon approach the car and cuss out the guy following him?
11) One witness sees a scuffle Trayvon is on top of zimmerman, continuing to punch him
11a) Trayvon is no longer acting in self defense
12) Witness breaks eye contact from scuffle to make phone call
12a) You can hear Zimmerman yelling for help in the background
13) A shot is fired
13a) was the shot fired while Trayvon was on top of zimmerman?
13b) did trayvon stop hitting him and then zimmerman shoots?

 

[Anti Federalist]

This'll get your older-RPFer conspiracy radar going.

I was having a discussion with someone about this last night, bringing them up to speed on the case. Here comes what's likely a long, hot summer. There's a big political race. People are already pissed about the economy and other crap (but in misguided ways). People get killed and maimed regularly.

But where did this kid get killed?

Less than two hours from Tampa where the GOP Convention is going to be

mmkay proceed.

Roger that.

 

[MelissaWV]

more info has come out on this story... looks like another one of those stories where the truth is exactly the opposite of the media spin

Apparently the guy who shot Martin was violently assaulted and bloodied by the deceased, which is apparently confirmed by both an independent witness and 911 recordings.

Um, no. Violently assaulted? WTF? Yeah and before he was violently assaulted, the poor victim called 9-1-1 just to vent about how terrible it is that those hoodie-wearing druggie thugs always get away. And followed the kid around. Because he was a total victim. Then he got out of the car. Because ... well I can't even think of why you'd do that. Then even though he had already decided this kid was dangerous, he turned his back on him.

* * *

And I didn't have to read the story because this is the same station reporting on it locally. They said the witness saw everything, even though it seems rather queer that the story begins with the "fight" and not with the following around, so no, that's not "everything."

"When I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point," John said.

Odd... seems like he didn't actually see the most critical part of the fight.

* * *

Those of you trying to paint this teen as a "thug" are seriously no better than the people attempting to paint him as a pure and innocent martyr. If we're just going to speculate, here's another one to add to the pile:

This "thuggish" teen is walking home from the store talking to his girlfriend on his cellphone. He may be "strutting" or otherwise not walking in a "normal" fashion; who knows? His pockets were likely bulging, as he had a tea and some candy. He was seen by Zimmerman, who seems to have a rather long history of calling 9-1-1 upon seeing dark-skinned folks walking through his neighborhood. Whether he was frustrated that those prior calls didn't pan out, or he just took in the scene in general and decided his Spidey sense was tingling, we don't know. He did dial 9-1-1, and went on his little venting speech about the person he was following. He assumed it was a drug dealer, and was vulgar on the recording. In the meantime, the teen has told his girlfriend someone is watching him and it's creepy, and he's going to walk faster. We can only assume he starts walking faster, at which point (this is where the big speculation starts) I am guessing Zimmerman thought that this kid was going to get away like the "others" he talks about on the 9-1-1 recording.

Given that Zimmerman had 100 pounds on the teen, and a gun, he probably figured it was going to be quick work and he'd be a hero (cop wannabe is already a label that's all over the news). Again, speculation, but I see it as possible that Zimmerman grabs the kid's hoodie and pulls him back to keep him from escaping. This might have been accompanied by some choice words, if Zimmerman's attitude on the 9-1-1 call is any indicator. Now, MAYBE he turned around with a "you stay right there; I'm on the phone with the cops" and he turned back towards his vehicle. That seems rather unlikely given that he thought the teen was such a danger. It sounds much more like an attempt to separate the actions, which would lend more credence to a self-defense claim. What I find more likely is that a kid who was already being followed, and possibly got called a name, decided that some fat jerk was not going to get away with that, and socked him in the nose. Zimmerman's nose was broken. With that kind of injury it's very likely they did go down and start fighting. What they haven't really released, or at least the news has not mentioned, is how far apart they were when the gun actually went off. Were they struggling on the ground? Did the teen get up and run away? Did he get up and gloatingly stand there?

The "violent assault" included a bloody nose, a little blood on the back of the head, and a cut. All of those injuries would be explained by the purely speculative account above, yet it would be easy to wedge the eye witness account in there. He did not appear to see the shooting. He saw the two fighting, then in a little bit he saw a corpse.

If the cops showed up and decided not to arrest the person who followed, fought with, then shot your child, you'd probably be a little mad, too.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Now it's becoming a three ring circus:


Trayvon Martin: New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...120324_1_black-men-justice-new-black-panthers

2:17 p.m. EST, March 24, 2012|By Arelis R. Hernandez, Orlando Sentinel

SANFORD — Members of the New Black Panther Party are offering a $10,000 reward for the "capture" of George Zimmerman, leader Mikhail Muhammad announced during a protest in Sanford today.

When asked whether he was inciting violence, Muhammad replied defiantly saying: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

The bounty announcement came moments after members of the group called for the mobilization of 5,000 black men to capture George Zimmerman, the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who shot Trayvon Martin last month.

Muhammad said members of his group would search for Zimmerman themselves in Maitland and Jacksonville -- where the 28-year old worked before the shooting, employees there told the Orlando Sentinel. But he declined to say when they will begin their hunt.

Muhammad said the group's national chairman, Dr. Malik Zulu Shabaz of Washington, D.C. is receiving donations from black entertainers and athletes. They hope to collect $1 million by next week, Muhammad said.

The party said they would not release the names of donors nor would they provide documentation to support the existence of donations.

The New Black Panthers announced the reward at a protest in Sanford Saturday, the activist group's third protest in the past two weeks over the fatal shooting of the Miami Gardens teen.

The group called for Zimmerman's arrest and threatened to find and detain him if police were not willing to do so. But group members didn't call for the mobilization of thousands until Saturday.

Muhammed led the group in chanting "Justice for Trayvon!" and "Black Power!"

"If the government won't do the job, we'll do it," Muhammad said, leading his group of eight party members in chants like "freedom or death" and "justice for Trayvon" while making the iconic gesture of raising their fists into the air.

The party members said they are tired of the inaction of government officials — from Sanford city officials up to the Governor, accusing them of lying and delaying justice.

They accused newly-appointed special prosecutor Angela Corley of being an enemy of the black community.

"She has a track record of sending innocent young black men and women to prison," he said.

Sanford police arrived toward the end of the demonstration Saturday asking onlookers and media to avoid walking into the street in front of The Retreat at Twin Lakes where Trayvon was killed.

As the officer walked back to his cruiser, Muhammad berated and pointed angrily at him saying "If you'd had shown this much concern, Trayvon may still be alive today."

 

[AFPVet]

Oh great... that's all we need... a freaking race war.

 

[MelissaWV]

Yep, AF, and nothing will change about the part that allows the police on the scene to decide that, if they "believe" the story, there's no need to arrest.

In the meantime, everyone sees a payday coming

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh great... that's all we need... a freaking race war.

That's pretty much what I thought as well.

Now, everybody needs to watch this closely.

Just consider how swiftly a bunch of OathKeepers or Michigan Militia men would have been arrested had they said something like this.

If the NBPP skates on this, then we can be reasonably sure that somebody within government is stoking the fires, and the whole stinking mess becomes suspect.

There will be no justice here.

 

[tod evans]

New Black Panthers offer $10,000 bounty for capture of shooter George Zimmerman

Wonder how this is going to turn out?..........................Idiots!

 

[tod evans]

Yep, AF, and nothing will change about the part that allows the police on the scene to decide that, if they "believe" the story, there's no need to arrest.

Cops decide who gets charged and who goes free......no need for juries just slap a badge on a looser and turn 'em loose.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Yep, AF, and nothing will change about the part that allows the police on the scene to decide that, if they "believe" the story, there's no need to arrest.

In the meantime, everyone sees a payday coming

I can't say as I'm in favor of cops arresting even more people, especially these days, when just an arrest record, never mind a conviction or acquittal, is enough to get your name into The Matrix and ruin your life.

On that score I'd just as soon see 100 guilty go free.

But in this case, it certainly seems that there was enough question about what happened to warrant an arrest and forwarding to the prosecutor or grand jury to try and find out what happened.

 

[donnay]

Oh great... that's all we need... a freaking race war.

That seems to be the direction of where they are heading with this. I was listening on and off to the talking heads, in the last couple of nights, the narrative is being set, all the usual suspects are out demagoguing-- Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Even Obama is playing the crowd on this one. Obama: 'If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon'

 

[MelissaWV]

I can't say as I'm in favor of cops arresting even more people, especially these days, when just an arrest record, never mind a conviction or acquittal, is enough to get your name into The Matrix and ruin your life.

On that score I'd just as soon see 100 guilty go free.

But in this case, it certainly seems that there was enough question about what happened to warrant an arrest and forwarding to the prosecutor or grand jury to try and find out what happened.

I agree with you in the general theory, however in these sorts of cases it is just up to how much cop butt you kiss. I wonder if our hero told the police how much he wanted to be a cop. I wonder if he tossed out a few sly reasons. I wonder if that's why they nodded and said "nothing to see here."

 

[BlackTerrel]

Does that image really label a hoodie "a disguise"? Really?

 

[BlackTerrel]

http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/mia...on-hoodies-response-death-teen-trayvon-martin

MIAMI -- Dwyane Wade and LeBron James were only a few miles away from Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26, participating in the NBA All-Star Game on the night the unarmed black teenager wearing a hooded sweatshirt was shot to death by a neighborhood crime-watch volunteer.

They never knew the teenager, but on Friday they decided it was time to speak out.

Wade posted a photo of himself from a previous photo shoot wearing a hooded sweatshirt, otherwise known as a hoodie, to his Twitter and Facebook pages on Friday morning.

A couple hours later, James posted another photo -- this one of the Heat team, all wearing hoodies, their heads bowed, their hands stuffed into their pockets.

The photo was taken at the team hotel, and Heat coach Erik Spoelstra called it "a powerful move."

Among the hashtags James linked to the photo: "WeWantJustice."

"As a father, this hits home," said Wade, who has 10- and 4-year-old sons....

James told confidants that when Wade's girlfriend, Gabrielle Union, called Wade's and James' attention to the issue, the two NBA stars spent several days talking about the case, gathering information and deciding how to make a statement.

According to his confidants, James and Wade decided a team-wide message would make a stronger statement and organized the photo taken at the team's hotel in Detroit. Mike Miller, the team's only white player, was not in the photo because he was not with the team on its road trip because of injury.

"This situation hit home for me because last Christmas, all my oldest son wanted as a gift was hoodies," Wade told The Associated Press Friday from Auburn Hills, Mich., where the Heat were to play the Detroit Pistons. "So when I heard about this a week ago, I thought of my sons. I'm speaking up because I feel it's necessary that we get past the stereotype of young, black men and especially with our youth."

Several Heat players, including Wade and James, took the floor Friday night with messages such as "RIP Trayvon Martin" and "We want justice" scrawled on their sneakers.

"I couldn't imagine if my son went to a store just to get some Skittles and a pop or iced tea and they didn't come home," Heat forward Udonis Haslem said. "We've been following the story, individually, very closely. It's just unfortunate. We just feel like something needed to be done about it. It's only right. It's only fair. ... I think it's at least a start in the right direction."

Other tributes were going on in NBA arenas on Friday night. Carmelo Anthony tweeted a photo of himself in a gray hoodie, with the words "I am Trayvon Martin!!!!!" over the picture, and his New York Knicks' teammate Amare Stoudemire -- a central Florida native -- arrived for his team's game in Toronto wearing a hooded sweater. Stoudemire also wore a gray hoodie while working out long before tipoff.

Wade also has been retweeting comments from CNN's Roland Martin on the case.

"You don't think your voice matter? 1,354,645 have signed the change.org petition demanding justice for Trayvon Martin," said one of Roland Martin's tweets, which Wade retweeted. "But the Trayvon Martin case is NOT over. Keep pushing. Keep prodding. Keep planning. Keep protesting. Justice is not an overnight thing!"

Miami-area high school students have held walkouts in protest, calling for justice for Trayvon Martin. Gov. Rick Scott appointed a special prosecutor in the case and established a statewide task force to study the law.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I agree with you in the general theory, however in these sorts of cases it is just up to how much cop butt you kiss. I wonder if our hero told the police how much he wanted to be a cop. I wonder if he tossed out a few sly reasons. I wonder if that's why they nodded and said "nothing to see here."

I'm almost positive of that being the case.

 

[pcosmar]

Does that image really label a hoodie "a disguise"? Really?

Seems so. I heard that yesterday,, my wife was reading something from the next room. She went OFF.

I wear hoodies occasionally. my 66 yr old White Wife wears Hoodies.

To some they are style,, to others they are practical convenience.

This is the level of stupidity we have to deal with.