STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[newbitech]

My wife is 4th grade teacher, and i see and hear things most have no clue about. Being somewhat in the loop is helpful into my base knowledge, rather than being an outsider who just hears snipets of things that have no relevance.

Homeschooling is a good idea, but not the entire answer on how one gains an education.

Why don't we just teach kids how to surf the net properly? Teach them how to properly source information. Teach them how to discern truth from commercials.

Then tell them to go play.

 

[constituent]

My wife is 4th grade teacher, and i see and hear things most have no clue about. Being somewhat in the loop is helpful into my base knowledge, rather than being an outsider who just hears snipets of things that have no relevance.

I dated a fourth grade teacher for years, her mother was a fourth grade teacher... i'm pretty "in the loop." I also attended public schools, so i'm not exactly an "outsider" either.

Homeschooling is a good idea, but not the entire answer on how one gains an education.

So then continued extortion of money, property, etc. from others to pay for your wife's salary, all so almost no one gets educated, is your answer?


I think you need to check your priorities.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Public-School Outrages by Anthony Gregory

What If Public Schools Were Abolished? by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

 

[NYgs23]

Wow, "the government's" you say?

Do "we" not pay out of pocket for the services listed above?

They as much "the government's" as the schools are.

 

[donnay]

Is homeschooling the 'be all' answer to this debate? I don't think so.

If anyone has a better answer or idea or plan, lets hear it.

I have a solution--get the federal government out of EVERY aspect of our lives!

Fire the Department of Education.

Give the states back their authority and let the education be given back to the parents and communities!

Get the feds out of 'law enforcement' -- period!

 

[NYgs23]

Those other "services" ( so called ) are NOT "brainwashing" the next generation.

I have yet to be ordered to perform any action that would require "brainwashing the next generation."

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

You think I care about how many I can convince? It's MY money! It's MY labor! I do NOT want the government to spend it on schools. Period. Universal delivery is NOT needed or even good. Stop using everyone else as an excuse and take responsibility for what you are recommending. You never said you advocate public funding, you just wrote up a little blurb of how it should be done, that doesn't make any sense.

I agree that universal delivery isnt necessary or even good. That being said, you have to live in the real world. When 90% (probably 98%) of society is behind an idea, and willing to kill you to enforce it, you can choose to fight and die (or waste your time) or find a way to maximize liberty in the short run with the hope that you can convince them later to see the error of their ways.

Private schools with public funding can be done in our lifetime. Destruction of public funding of schools will not happen short of a complete breakdown of society.

 

[JK/SEA]

My idea is to just give a kid some books, a gas lantern for light and tell them good luck.
Abe Lincoln did it this way....HAH!

I haven't read any solutions that are based in reality yet. How do you go about educating children in today's society?

still waiting for a cogent and lucid answer.

 

[Dr.3D]

I have yet to be ordered to perform any action that would require "brainwashing the next generation."

At least not that you would recognize as "brainwashing".

Have you ever had your class stand to perform the pledge of allegiance to the flag?

 

[constituent]

My idea is to just give a kid some books, a gas lantern for light and tell them good luck.
Abe Lincoln did it this way....HAH!

I take this as an admission to the error of your ways.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

My idea is to just give a kid some books, a gas lantern for light and tell them good luck.
Abe Lincoln did it this way....HAH!

There is something to be said for that, actually. I have no doubt that if taught to read and provided with books, the only real instruction I would have needed would have been math. The rest I could have done on my own.

Also, real work is great education. Most of the reason that kids in modern society are idiots is due to the fact that when they arent in the classroom they are acting like fucking monkeys or in front of the idiot box. Why not bring back apprenticeships?

 

[donnay]

My idea is to just give a kid some books, a gas lantern for light and tell them good luck.
Abe Lincoln did it this way....HAH!

Most self-educated people have contributed a great deal to society.

My husband is a 10th grade drop out. He has an IQ of 141. Edit to add: In addition to being self-educated he has many skills. Lots of children, unfortunately, do not have skills coming out of public education, anymore.

I went all the way to college and I can tell you that I have learned more out of the system then I ever learned inside the system.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

Let's go on the Ron Paul Blow back principal.

When at the Campaign for Liberty I brought a very smart history teacher with me. I have opened her eyes to the bullshit between the whole REP & DEM Hypocrisy thing and she came with an open mind. After several of the speakers trashed teachers then at the lunch a few of the members trashing teachers she closed her mind and had a bitter Taste about the whole thing. Next time when you are speaking in public or to others think about how you turned away a potential supporter.

We need to focus ON THE SYSTEM not the INDIVIDUALS !!!!!!
It is the system that keeps and maintains the Rotten Apples.
It is the system that is Dumbing down our kids.
If the system was changed SO would the teaching.

THERE ARE A LOT of GOOD teachers and cops WE NEED their support to fight TYRANNY.

Get lost. I don't demonize teachers or cops, nor do I lump them in one group and make generalizations but I can understand why people here have gripes with them and I think it's perfectly justified, so don't tell me or anyone else how to think.

 

[constituent]

Also, real work is great education. Most of the reason that kids in modern society are idiots is due to the fact that when they arent in the classroom they are acting like fucking monkeys or in front of the idiot box. Why not bring back apprenticeships?

You mean actually teach someone something?

But then they might get ahead in life... What good is that for the collective?

 

[LibertyEagle]

Wow, "the government's" you say?

Do "we" not pay out of pocket for the services listed above?

Yeah, I was kinda thinking that they were OUR damn roads. We paid for them!

 

[Truth Warrior]

I have yet to be ordered to perform any action that would require "brainwashing the next generation."

Of course you haven't the lame standardized "dumbed down" curriculum does the job for you. Remedial reading in high school, gimme a frickin' break.

 

[LibertyEagle]

The information they are lacking is that they are in a profession of scumbags.

I disagree. Do you think the same of teachers in private schools? How about homeschoolers? Or, how about yourself, because if you have ever discussed what is going on with our government with someone else, you have been in a teaching capacity.

It's not the profession; it's the government indoctrination that is imposed on public schools, teachers and our kids.

 

[Kraig]

I agree that universal delivery isnt necessary or even good. That being said, you have to live in the real world. When 90% (probably 98%) of society is behind an idea, and willing to kill you to enforce it, you can choose to fight and die (or waste your time) or find a way to maximize liberty in the short run with the hope that you can convince them later to see the error of their ways.

Private schools with public funding can be done in our lifetime. Destruction of public funding of schools will not happen short of a complete breakdown of society.

Private schools with public funding are still public schools. I makes no difference to me if your idea makes them better or more efficient, I am still paying for something I never want to use. If I am never going to use it, why would I care if it is improved?

 

[Kraig]

I disagree. Do you think the same of teachers in private schools? How about homeschoolers? Or, how about yourself, because if you have ever discussed what is going on with our government with someone else, you have been in a teaching capacity.

It's not the profession; it's the government indoctrination that is imposed on public schools, teachers and our kids.

Sorry, by profession I was referring to public school teachers, not teachers in general. For the most part I think they either stay in either the public or private sector, I have not heard of many teachers that switch back and forth, and the public teaching jobs are FAR easier to get.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Fuck off. I don't demonize teachers or cops, nor do I lump them in one group and make generalizations but I can understand why people here have gripes with them and I think it's perfectly justified, so don't tell me or anyone else how to think.

If someone is born a midget and chooses to exploit the part in a circus, then they should be laughed at and belittled. To the contrary, if someone is born a man amongst boys and chooses to play the part of their servant, all for their betterment, then they should be respected.
Teaching is what it is today because Socrates, the founder of Western Civilization, considered the possibility of helping a slave's mind recollect by his serving it as a midwife philosopher (a serving teacher).
Without Socrates defining teaching in such a way, Civilization would have never been able to afford itself because no amount of money would have been sufficient to pay teachers what they deserve.