STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

What is tyranny?

STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

Let's go on the Ron Paul Blow back principal.

When at the Campaign for Liberty I brought a very smart history teacher with me. I have opened her eyes to the bullshit between the whole REP & DEM Hypocrisy thing and she came with an open mind. After several of the speakers trashed teachers then at the lunch a few of the members trashing teachers she closed her mind and had a bitter Taste about the whole thing. Next time when you are speaking in public or to others think about how you turned away a potential supporter.

We need to focus ON THE SYSTEM not the INDIVIDUALS !!!!!!
It is the system that keeps and maintains the Rotten Apples.
It is the system that is Dumbing down our kids.
If the system was changed SO would the teaching.

THERE ARE A LOT of GOOD teachers and cops WE NEED their support to fight TYRANNY.

Tyranny is a responsible thing. It is the family we flee back to any time our nation suffers an economic calamity. It then recovers some of us while pimping the rest of us as permanent whores when it was all of us who were born so helpless in calamity that we deserved no better than to be prostituted. Tyranny lathers itself up and makes a big show by pathetically giving to the pitiful.
Rather than pathetically giving away that which has been rightfully earned by the people, perhaps it would be better that government work at making someone feel less of a whore? This only takes tolerance.

 

[pcosmar]

I don't know of any teachers who say not to question authority or that police are your friend.

Perhaps we should bring back civics classes so that people are more aware of their rights. Then, they can decide for themselves whether individual authority figures are good or bad.

OK, I guess I'm just full of shit.
Lets do just a quick google search.

http://ci.champaign.il.us/news/weekly-activity-reports/champaign-police-visit-st-joseph-schools/

Police Department Updates
On October 5, 2007, Risk Watch presentations were conducted at Booker T. Washington Elementary School located at 606 E. Grove Street in Champaign. School Resource...
Police Department Activities
On May 2, 2008, Risk Watch presentations were conducted at Booker T. Washington Elementary School in Champaign. School Resource Officers encouraged youth to make time...
Risk Watch Presentations At Elementary Schools
Risk Watch presentations were conducted at Robeson, Westview and Southside Elementary Schools on November 20, 24 and 25, 2008. The Risk Watch team provided curriculum...
Patrol Officer Participates in “I Love to Read Day”
A Patrol Officer participated in Kenwood Elementary School’s annual “I Love to Read Day” on March 6. The Officer read one of his favorite children’s...
Police Department Activities
A School Resource Officers served as an exhibitor at the High School of St. Thomas More Career Fair on February 12, 2008. Students received information...
Champaign Police Department Community Relations Activities
The Champaign Police Department’s School Resource Officers conducted a Drug and Alcohol Awareness presentation at The High School of Saint Thomas More on May 3,...
Police Department Community Services
On February 8, 2008, officers conducted a tour of the police station for members of Girl Scout Troop #2302. A presentation on the training and...
Police Department Activities
On September 11, 2008, the Champaign Police Department participated in the University of Illinois Public Safety Day. Local law enforcement officers kicked off the fall...
Risk Watch
On May 20, 2008, Risk Watch presentations were conducted at Vernon L. Barkstall Elementary School. School Resource Officers provided instruction on Firearm Injury Prevention and...
Police Department Updates
The Latino Partnership of Champaign County presented the Champaign Police Department with a Certificate of Excellence for outstanding performance, dedication and support in protecting the...

http://arvada.org/about-arvada/police-visit-arvada-schools

“The relationship between the police department and the school community is critical,” said Police Chief Don Wick. “It’s important students and parents know that the police department is involved with their school, and remains committed to school safety.”

http://www.sacbee.com/latest/story/1731033.html

Rancho Cordova police officers will be spending lunchtime with local elementary school students as part of a new program intended to bolster students' good behavior and increase campus safety.

Police officers and Sacramento County sheriff's deputies assigned to the sheriff's east division will be "adopting" 23 elementary schools and spending time with students, a police news release states.

http://www.app.com/article/20090319/NEWS01/903190423/1004/NEWS01

"A little extra something for the kids, to reward them," he said.

The State Police introduced Top Physical Challenge three years ago, as a way to introduce students to law enforcement, Muse said. Schools that participate in the program choose their most physically fit students to show off their sit-up, push-up, pull-up, broad jump and shuttle-run skills.

Now I could probably fill up pages with this.
Can you spell Indoctrination???

 

[constituent]

I'm pretty sure these problems have been around awhile, and until you can come up with a better plan, besides homeschooling, or brain transplants, i'm pretty sure this will continue to be a problem.

Stop teaching reeeding, riting and 'rithmatick to kids that should be learnin' to swing a hammer.

There, problem solved.

 

[JK/SEA]

Actually, I was mostly just thinking of firing them. Cops can go eat donuts and guard malls and Public school teachers will find work in new private schools or do something new.

Well its clear you don't have a grasp on how educating kids works, and whats really happening. Perhaps you should try and get a teaching degree, then comeback in 4 year to 5 years and tell everyone what YOU learned.

 

[homah]

Stop teaching reeeding, riting and 'rithmatic to kids that should be learnin' to swing a hammer.

Problem solved.

I agree with this. Kids should be presented with more options and not looked upon as failures if they aren't "college bound." A lot of teachers agree with this as well.

 

[JK/SEA]

Stop teaching reeeding, riting and 'rithmatick to kids that should be learnin' to swing a hammer.

There, problem solved.

??

i read a lot on blaming teachers in this thread. Is it really the teachers?..can we lay blame on anything else?

lets hear the plan. What have we got?...come on, i'm waiting.

thought so.

 

[acptulsa]

Expect a visit soon from your local NEA rep.

Can you spell Indoctrination???

Who's denying that the system sucks? Can't even say that's painting with too broad a brush, thanks to the Carter/Reagan Department of Education...

 

[constituent]

I ask again--yes they are feeding the system, but what are they feeding it?

legitimacy.

but hey, maybe if they persevere long enough and are lucky enough, pres. obama will put them on a stage and shower them with adoration for a "tireless job well done."

nationally televised and all that.

 

[JK/SEA]

LMFAO!! classic!

i'm going to guess all you teacher critics couldn't get a teaching degree. Its easier to bitch ain't it?

 

[acptulsa]

legitimacy.

Their legitimacy is buoyed by the cogs in the machine? I think not.

 

[donnay]

i'm going to guess all you teacher critics couldn't get a teaching degree. Its easier to bitch ain't it?

My mother worked for the school system for 32 years and she is the biggest advocate for home schooling. And there is plenty of her colleagues who are with her. They know the take-over that happened in the 60s.

An education is not a right, it is a privilege and why should we citizens, at the barrel of a gun be forced to pay for it?

 

[constituent]

??

i read a lot on blaming teachers in this thread. Is it really the teachers?..can we lay blame on anything else?

lets hear the plan. What have we got?...come on, i'm waiting.

thought so.

Where did I blame teachers?(sorry read "demonize" discussion earlier in the thread... end edit)


Also, I just provided you with the solution, you're just too angry to see it.

The entire system is broken beyond repair because of the intentions behind its design. The birth of the "public" "school" system is the ultimate tale of American corruption and systemic malevolence disguised as charity. The machine was programmed entirely to destroy individual identity and various cultural influences/identities that ran counter to the "happy worker" agenda of Rockefeller, et. al.

Stop teaching reeeding, riting and 'rhitmatic to kids that should be learning to swing a hammer.

Problem solved.

 

[constituent]

Their legitimacy is buoyed by the cogs in the machine? I think not.

do what?

 

[Deborah K]

Here's my thinking on all of this. And I'm going to use a radical example as an illustration to make my point: Take a child from the gaza, who's been indoctrinated into hating and killing, and he lives his whole life believing in hating and killing. How do you de-programme someone like that? And don't say it can't be done, because it's been done.

I'm pretty sure you DON'T do it by demoralizing him. That teacher was demoralized when she went in with an open mind and got lambasted (indirectly) for being a teacher. If you don't like the current situation with our school systems then do something about it. Attacking teachers who think they are doing the right thing because they themselves have been indoctrinated, is as stupid as attacking a gaza kid for what he has been indoctrinated into.

 

[JK/SEA]

My mother worked for the school system for 32 years and she is the biggest advocate for home schooling. And there is plenty of her colleagues who are with her. They know the take-over that happened in the 60s.

An education is not a right, it is a privilege and why should we citizens, at the barrel of a gun be forced to pay for it?

Is homeschooling the 'be all' answer to this debate? I don't think so.

If anyone has a better answer or idea or plan, lets hear it.

 

[constituent]

An education is not a right, it is a privilege and why should we citizens, at the barrel of a gun (and eternal threat of property confiscation) be forced to pay for it?

edit in bold

 

[pcosmar]

Here's my thinking on all of this. And I'm going to use a radical example as an illustration to make my point: Take a child from the gaza, who's been indoctrinated into hating and killing, and he lives his whole life believing in hating and killing. How do you de-programme someone like that? And don't say it can't be done, because it's been done.

You don't. Arm him and teach him tactics.
While you're at it teach the kid in Jerusalem.
They both have the same enemy, they just don't know it. Their enemy has them fighting each other.
Their enemy is my enemy. Those here are just too pacified to fight.

 

[JK/SEA]

edit in bold

OK. Got it.

Now, how do we educate people. Or is it our problem?

hypothetical..

Public schools eliminated... so we have ...

homeschooling?..check. Not for everybody.
Wealthy people, private schools. check.. Not for everybody.

everyone else?..sorry, grab a hammer and goodluck.

 

[newbitech]

Is homeschooling the 'be all' answer to this debate? I don't think so.

If anyone has a better answer or idea or plan, lets hear it.

first of all, teacher need to stop being the victim. Too often I hear of teachers complain about the symptoms of the problem. Lack of funding, too many students in the class, undisciplined children.

I think a great place to start is the PTA and PTSA. I don't think the system as it stands can be repaired. But, if there is to be any progress it must come from governing bodies. Teachers need to engage the parents more effectively. Teachers need to get together and work as a coalition and voting block or join a voting block like the freedom movement.

Teachers need to effect change locally and at the state levels. Joining national groups is not working.

 

[Kraig]

Here's my thinking on all of this. And I'm going to use a radical example as an illustration to make my point: Take a child from the gaza, who's been indoctrinated into hating and killing, and he lives his whole life believing in hating and killing. How do you de-programme someone like that? And don't say it can't be done, because it's been done.

I'm pretty sure you DON'T do it by demoralizing him. That teacher was demoralized when she went in with an open mind and got lambasted (indirectly) for being a teacher. If you don't like the current situation with our school systems then do something about it. Attacking teachers who think they are doing the right thing because they themselves have been indoctrinated, is as stupid as attacking a gaza kid for what he has been indoctrinated into.

If they're killing Israeli soldiers they have the moral high ground, easily over cops and teachers here. I don't think that happens in Gaza often though, it's pretty much the children getting killed. Anyways the first step to de-program him would be to get him the hell out of that violent concentration camp so he can see what it is like to live in a more rational and free society. Teachers and cops don't have that excuse though, despite our oppressive government they still have 100% freedom to switch jobs. Really though, playing the ignorant card for an EDUCATOR is just really sad to me, their job is supposed reduce ignorance and they can't even do it for their own mind, let alone the minds of others. I think many teachers AND cops just take the job because it is easy.

Personally if someone said my entire profession was full of scumbags and they gave me a couple reasons to back it up, I would listen to them and look into it. After looking into it I would probably get the hell out.