STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[JK/SEA]

Ok, I have only my experience to go on, and since I was "Class of 75" that is a bit dated.
My 8 th grade graduated 18 students. Of those maybe 10 had reading ability above 4th grade level.
Except for rare exceptions, the young people I have met in later years show no improvement.
I see bright intelligent and imaginative kids put on drugs (Ritalin) rather than spending time to stimulate their brains.
I have seen College students that don't understand basic fundamentals.

There are people here that can not read the published works of our enemies and see what their plans are.

So yes, I am highly skeptical.

Yes..ok..life is not black and white. For instance, my wife teaches in a TITLE ONE grade school, low income. Included in this is minority, and immigrant families. Lots of these kids can barely read and speak english, and have emotional and family problems, which makes it somewhat difficult to deal with, especially during test time. Teachers have only so much time to help these kids, and the parents are clueless as to why 'johnnie' is having problems, because USUALLY the parents don't know or won't help in educating their kids.

I'm pretty sure these problems have been around awhile, and until you can come up with a better plan, besides homeschooling, or brain transplants, i'm pretty sure this will continue to be a problem.

 

[misterx]

Of course most teachers want to educate children. The question is, what do they want to educate them with? Is it math and science, or is it their socialist beliefs? You almost have to be a partisan leftist to tolerate teaching in the public schools. That is the problem with teachers.

 

[LibertyEagle]

To me it’s simple. We have no more time to coddle people that know they are doing wrong so they can hang onto a pay check. Teachers that teach year after year know that the curriculum they are teaching is social ideology set forth by government. Not reading writing and math. Police violate people’s rights every day they go to work. They prevent vary little crime. They just clean up the mess left behind after the fact. making them little more than glorified garbage men. Most of the police spend their time milking people to create revenue for the city and state.

The time for these people is running out.

Either you’re with us or you are with the terrorists

Ok. Which approach do you figure would have the highest probability in getting a teacher to see the light? Attacking them for being a teacher, or showing them through fact and reason that the curriculum they are teaching and the government programs they are carrying out, have created a bunch of drones who understand very little of the principles upon which this country was founded? I am guessing, the latter.

 

[LibertyWorker]

So, you're quoting Dubya. Do you really believe you're a uniter, not a divider?

If you think this subject is simple, you're not looking at the whole picture.

No room for the teacher diligently trying to slide some truth into his or her classroom and hoping the superintendent doesn't find out? No room for the prosecutor trying to figure out who is and isn't really a threat? But how much worse would it be right now without them?

Time for these people is running out, and that's as it should be. But how much do we harm ourselves when we throw the wheat out with the chaff?

We are at war.

I don’t keep a whole barrel of bad apples because there are few good one’s at the bottom.

 

[pcosmar]

Yes..ok..life is not black and white. For instance, my wife teaches in a TITLE ONE grade school, low income. Included in this is minority, and immigrant families. Lots of these kids can barely read and speak english, and have emotional and family problems, which makes it somewhat difficult to deal with, especially during test time. Teachers have only so much time to help these kids, and the parents are clueless as to why 'johnnie' is having problems, because USUALLY the parents don't know or won't help in educating their kids.

I'm pretty sure these problems have been around awhile, and until you can come up with a better plan, besides homeschooling, or brain transplants, i'm pretty sure this will continue to be a problem.

Nope, It is coming to an end.
Our government can not continue, the paychecks will end.

I expect it to get ugly.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We are at war.

I don’t keep a whole barrel of bad apples because there are few good one’s at the bottom.

Well, you know what, there aren't enough of US, so we're going to have to grow our ranks. If you think we're going to do that by running up to people and telling them they have shit for brains, you have another thing coming. TEACH them; don't alienate them.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Disagree with a liberal OR a conservative and then just watch what happens.

Yes, and why you insist on doing that every opportunity you get and driving people away from learning about our principles, is very strange indeed.

 

[acptulsa]

We are at war.

I don’t keep a whole barrel of bad apples because there are few good one’s at the bottom.

I hope this continues to be a land of sufficient plenty that we can afford to waste food this way, and can continue to throw wheat out with the chaff. But I'm not counting on it. Especially where the liberty minded are concerned.

This is war. Yup. And we are in desperate need of reinforcements.

 

[newbitech]

So, you're quoting Dubya. Do you really believe you're a uniter, not a divider?

If you think this subject is simple, you're not looking at the whole picture.

No room for the teacher diligently trying to slide some truth into his or her classroom and hoping the superintendent doesn't find out? No room for the prosecutor trying to figure out who is and isn't really a threat? But how much worse would it be right now without them?

Time for these people is running out, and that's as it should be. But how much do we harm ourselves when we throw the wheat out with the chaff?

We don't harm ourselves because we act as individuals. This topic started because someone was offended by something a speaker said. Rather than going to that speaker or those speakers and asking for clarity and having this conversation in real time face to face, that person and the OP decided to turn up their nose and walk away from the very idea that brought them to the event in the first place. And then proceed to come here and vent and start divisive straw man threads that pit Liberty Lovers against teachers and act as if the entire movement is full of haters. This kind of crap needs to be called out for what it is.

No one threw that person out. That person walked out on their own. When you bring someone to this forum, it is up to you to work that relationship. I have not had one single person I know get turned off by the way I deliver the message. That being said, I won't bring people to this forum to try and convert them, not my style. No one I know posts here or at least they haven't told me they do. Most people are not going to be as activist as I am and I am ok with that. It doesn't take a majority to change this country. I am sure that many people I talk to would find something to turn them off in this forum. Those people aren't the hardcore support, and I'd be afraid to stand next to them in a protest. They won't challenge authority until the movement challenges as a whole.

However, those fringe supporters can be used successfully when the time is right. Thats why you keep them at an arms length. Thats why you don't expose baby supporters to the meat and potatoes. I can't speak to what happened at the CFL event to the OP and this teacher. BUt I highly doubt anything was said that should be taken as "Ron Paul supporters demonize teachers and cops". Some hurt feelings maybe, but you have to put that aside and look for truth. It hurts. I believe that if this teachers really is interested, he/she won't let what 1 or a few people said sidetrack her for the search for truth. Unless of course part of that truth is forcing her to rethink her career or goals in life. I know I experienced that cognative dissonance. I am sure alot of people have, unfortunatley that is what the "system" has caused and why I hate it and anyone who is involved with it THAT WOULD REFUSE TO ACCEPT THE FACTS AND THRUTH EVEN IF IT CHALLENGES THEIR LIFE.

We have to go after these individuals one at a time and by casting a wide net over that institution, just like we do with others such as congress, the bankers, etc.. we will feret out the good from the bad. When we shine the light, the bad ones go scurrying and the good ones will welcome and embrace the message.

 

[bossman068410]

You do understand that there is a distinct difference between hate and criticism, right?

YES...

But at the Campaign for liberty there was more HATE that criticism. That is why I posted this here. I wanted to let others know what the experience was like that I saw a possible problem in the movement. I wanted to see what other had to say about it.

This is what I'm seeing. If we attack the individuals then we will never succeed.
We can go all day with this with every profession and belief here.

I HATE

Doctors because of big pharma
Environmentalist because of The Global Warming SCAM
Bankers because of the Monopoly of our money system
Soldiers because they fight in meaningless wars
Farmers because of Big Agra
Stock brokers because of Stock Manipulators
Teachers because of NEA and Government mandates
Cops because they are the Goons hired by the Government
Lawyers because they are scum sucking pigs
Animal rights activist because they are
Civil rights activist because it's not about civil rights It's about promoting Marxism

WHO IS LEFT?
NO ONE

That is why I feel we need to focus on the system. Not the individual.

 

[JK/SEA]

hysterical thread. so full of mis-inforned people, but hey...everyone has an opinion, but facts are facts. life is not BLACK AND WHITE.

kill all the cops and teachers. ok, now what?

 

[Justinjj1]

It is incumbent upon every individual to learn the founding of this country, learn the Declaration of Independence and Constitution--memorize them!

Know why founders feared standing armies and centralized bankers--this is key.

They are not teaching this in public schools!

QUOTE]


Yes it is taught in public schools, it is part of the basic curriculum. I teach it every year. But not only that I teach a wide degree of important things that are not in the textbook because most teachers have a pretty wide degree of freedom in shaping the curriculum.

A lot of you think that teachers are just day in and day out indocrinating students with state sponsored propaganda, that is just not the case.

 

[JK/SEA]

YES...

But at the Campaign for liberty there was more HATE that criticism. That is why I posted this here. I wanted to let others know what the experience was like that I saw a possible problem in the movement. I wanted to see what other had to say about it.

This is what I'm seeing. If we attack the individuals then we will never succeed.
We can go all day with this with every profession and belief here.

I HATE

Doctors because of big pharma
Environmentalist because of The Global Warming SCAM
Bankers because of the Monopoly of our money system
Soldiers because they fight in meaningless wars
Farmers because of Big Agra
Stock brokers because of Stock Manipulators
Teachers because of NEA and Government mandates
Cops because they are the Goons hired by the Government
Lawyers because they are scum sucking pigs
Animal rights activist because they are
Civil rights activist because it's not about civil rights It's about promoting Marxism

WHO IS LEFT?
NO ONE

That is why I feel we need to focus on the system. Not the individual.

Damn truth man.

I'm finding the same conclusions. Has the movement imploded by self interests?

 

[acptulsa]

All I know is, I'm an individual and so is everyone else. I'm not Will Rogers and I can't say I've never met a man I didn't like. But I do know people in education who are trying to do it right in spite of the system, and the more the system tries to pervert them the more determined they are to do it right. And I know people in law enforcement who are determined not to lose sight of the real goal--justice--no matter how hard the pressure comes from above to adopt a new goal. And I admire them greatly.

I ask again--yes they are feeding the system, but what are they feeding it?

 

[Xenophage]

Ok. Which approach do you figure would have the highest probability in getting a teacher to see the light? Attacking them for being a teacher, or showing them through fact and reason that the curriculum they are teaching and the government programs they are carrying out, have created a bunch of drones who understand very little of the principles upon which this country was founded? I am guessing, the latter.

You fail to grasp that teachers, by and large, WANT kids to become little drones who understand very little of the principles upon which this country was founded. Their paychecks depend upon it.

 

[acptulsa]

You fail to grasp that teachers, by and large, WANT kids to become little drones who understand very little of the principles upon which this country was founded. Their paychecks depend upon it.

By and large. You want to be stuffed into a category because others who share some demographic traits with you are, by and large, this or that?

Damn, people. Are we a bunch of collectivists? Or are we individuals committed to the rights of individuals?

I think that people are individuals, myself--by and large...

Obama is the Messiah, that's what.

By and large, you're probably right. By and large, these are not the ones I admire.

 

[JK/SEA]

You fail to grasp that teachers, by and large, WANT kids to become little drones who understand very little of the principles upon which this country was founded. Their paychecks depend upon it.

YEA..and BY AND LARGE anyone wearing a turban is a terrorist, right.?

 

[bossman068410]

No one threw that person out. That person walked out on their own. When you bring someone to this forum, it is up to you to work that relationship. I have not had one single person I know get turned off by the way I deliver the message. That being said, I won't bring people to this forum. No one I know posts here. Most people are not going to be as activist as I am and I am ok with that. It doesn't take a majority to change this country. I am sure that many people I talk to would find something to turn them off in this forum. Those people aren't the hardcore support. They won't challenge authority until the movement challenges as a whole.

2 speakers, and about 5 members either trashed or made fun of teachers or the NEA. She was pretty good about the whole thing. She did talk to the other teachers about the fed and how they are protected BY law from an audit. She also talked about how the "system" of influencing officials and how she did like Ron Paul and the Judges speech.

Has anyone knowtice that Ron Paul trys NOT to talk about the individual unless he has to and NOT to insult them but to argue with Knowlege and Wisdom?

Ty everyone for the heated disscussion. I really wanted to get this out.

 

[newbitech]

It is incumbent upon every individual to learn the founding of this country, learn the Declaration of Independence and Constitution--memorize them!

Know why founders feared standing armies and centralized bankers--this is key.

They are not teaching this in public schools!

QUOTE]


Yes it is taught in public schools, it is part of the basic curriculum. I teach it every year. But not only that I teach a wide degree of important things that are not in the textbook because most teachers have a pretty wide degree of freedom in shaping the curriculum.

A lot of you think that teachers are just day in and day out indocrinating students with state sponsored propaganda, that is just not the case.

I call BS right there.

I doubt you are teaching about fearing standing armies and centralized bankers. You might be hitting those points in a broader perspective, but the message is not getting thru if you still have your job and if your city or town is still funding your school.

Sorry to doubt you on this cause I don't know you, but you'll have a very hard time with this argument without some evidence.

 

[Justinjj1]

You fail to grasp that teachers, by and large, WANT kids to become little drones who understand very little of the principles upon which this country was founded. Their paychecks depend upon it.

LOL
The primary motivation behind teachers is to maintain their fat paychecks by creating mindless drones.

This is the most idiotic thread I have ever read.