STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[acptulsa]

Step one is to get rid of the Department of Education and step two is to get on your local school board.

Throwing all the teachers, good and bad together, out the door is way, way down my list. Sorry.

People are individuals and teachers are there for many, many different reasons. Some are paving their road to hell with good intentions, others, yes, were hell-bound from the start.

Can't we find more productive things to discuss?

Personally if someone said my entire profession was full of scumbags and they gave me a couple reasons to back it up, I would listen to them and look into it. After looking into it I would probably get the hell out.

Dr. Paul, your profession is full of scumbags. Get the hell out. [/sarcasm]

 

[heavenlyboy34]

i'm going to guess all you teacher critics couldn't get a teaching degree. Its easier to bitch ain't it?

I wouldn't want one. I don't have the desire to be part of your corrupt little "system". If I wanted to teach, I would call myself a "tutor" and place an ad in the paper.

 

[pcosmar]

OK. Got it.

Now, how do we educate people. Or is it our problem?

hypothetical..

Public schools eliminated... so we have ...

homeschooling?..check. Not for everybody.
Wealthy people, private schools. check.. Not for everybody.

everyone else?..sorry, grab a hammer and goodluck.

Yup, My high school education has done nothing for me.
But learning to knock dents out of cars has paid for my farm and land.
Useful skills should not be underestimated.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Well its clear you don't have a grasp on how educating kids works, and whats really happening. Perhaps you should try and get a teaching degree, then comeback in 4 year to 5 years and tell everyone what YOU learned.

You just had to go there.

Okay. I have a professional doctorate. It is pretty much common knowledge that 'education' programs as a course of study are about as intellectually challenging as underwater basketweaving or 'marketing'.

 

[JK/SEA]

Dude, please dont go there...

Well, i'm sorry, but bitching is all i'm hearing. Nothing in the way of solutions. Just black and white rhetoric that gets no where, except alienating a group, and makes one 'feel' they are somehow possesed with an answer. Feels good, but really is pointless.

Whats your plan?

 

[constituent]

OK. Got it.

Now, how do we educate people. Or is it our problem?

hypothetical..

Public schools eliminated... so we have ...

homeschooling?..check. Not for everybody.
Wealthy people, private schools. check.. Not for everybody.

everyone else?..sorry, grab a hammer and goodluck.

Start here unless you're ready to shell out for a lesson or two.

(additionally, and in answer to your first question in the post quoted above, no it is not our problem)

 

[Kraig]

Step one is to get rid of the Department of Education and step two is to get on your local school board.

Throwing all the teachers, good and bad together, out the door is way, way down my list. Sorry.

People are individuals and teachers are there for many, many different reasons. Some are paving their road to hell with good intentions, others, yes, were hell-bound from the start.

Can't we find more productive things to discuss?

No step 2 is privatizing the schools and then getting on the board for the school your kids go to. Realistically though, step one is homeschooling your kids or send them to a good private school, and watch the public school system go to hell. It's a failed and dying system.

 

[constituent]

Whats your plan?

What is yours?

That is really what is at issue here.

 

[Kraig]

Dr. Paul, your profession is full of scumbags. Get the hell out. [/sarcasm]

See that right there defeats your whole argument, if you said this to him, he wouldn't get offended, he would agree with you. Why do you think he has the "Don't steal, government doesn't like competition" sign on his desk? OMG Ron Paul is collectively singling out everyone in government with that sign!

 

[LibertyEagle]

See that right there defeats your whole argument, if you said this to him, he wouldn't get offended, he would agree with you. Why do you think he has the "Don't steal, government doesn't like competition" sign on his desk?

Yes, but not everyone is as far along as Dr. Paul, right? Again, why drive someone away by insulting them, when instead you can give them the information that they are lacking?

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Well, i'm sorry, but bitching is all i'm hearing. Nothing in the way of solutions. Just black and white rhetoric that gets no where, except alienating a group, and makes one 'feel' they are somehow possesed with an answer. Feels good, but really is pointless.

Whats your plan?

If we have to have universal tax funded education.?? Fine. Privatize the delivery systems. The state gives funding for each kid per year X number of dolars. Force schools to compete for students. Parents will choose the schools that they feel provide the best opportunities for their kids. Good teachers will make more, bad teachers will make less or leave the field. Rich kids will pay for better schools, poor kids will still get the best that is available on a budget.

No more NEA, no more 50% administrative overhead, no more wasting time on teaching kids to be communists... (although the rich schools might for a while).

 

[Kraig]

Yes, but not everyone is as far along as Dr. Paul, right? Again, why drive someone away by insulting them, when instead you can give them the information that they are lacking?

The information they are lacking is that they are in a profession of scumbags.

 

[Kraig]

If we have to have universal tax funded education.?? Fine. Privatize the delivery systems. The state gives funding for each kid per year X number of dolars. Force schools to compete for students. Parents will choose the schools that they feel provide the best opportunities for their kids. Good teachers will make more, bad teachers will make less or leave the field. Rich kids will pay for better schools, poor kids will still get the best that is available on a budget.

No more NEA, no more 50% administrative overhead, no more wasting time on teaching kids to be communists... (although the rich schools might for a while).

Fuck making me or anyone else pay for your kids education. The state does not give any money that they do not take from me or someone else. Stop promoting this theft. You don't have to force schools to do anything either, take away the tax funding and they have to compete for customers.

 

[Justinjj1]

tell us more, has anyone at your school mentioned anything to you about the visibility of the sticker? Such as the principle, other teachers, etc?

Did you give a test about this movie to see what was retained? Did you test the children and develop their knowledge on these issues? Did you give them homework assignments related to this material to take home and study with their parents?

I'd really like to know how you think having a sticker on your door, watching a movie, and having in debt (lol Freudian slip i suppose, i won't edit it for the lulz) discussions is influencing these kids.

Those are just a few examples out of many and of course I check for understanding through assignments and tests.

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

Fuck making me or anyone else pay for your kids education. The state does not give any money that they do not take from me or someone else. Stop promoting this theft. You don't have to force schools to do anything either, take away the tax funding and they have to compete for customers.

The guy asked for a solution assuming universal delivery. You cant have universal delivery of any good without socializing at least some of the costs. Given those parameters, IMO, I have described the system that maximizes efficiency, and minimizes the potential for bureaucracies and teacher communism..

I never said I advocate public funding of education, but I think you'd be hard pressed to convince even 10% of people to turn that switch back... ever. Given that limitation, I think privatizing the schools themselves is about as far as can be accomplished, at least in my lifetime.

 

[NYgs23]

Well, I'm a (substitute) teacher looking for a full time job. I substitute all around my public school district. Yet I consider myself a market anarchist.

It's not the fault of the teachers that the State has monopolized the education sector to such an extent that it's difficult to get a teaching job not in a public school, especially one that pays well. Must I handicap myself by limiting my job opportunities when the job in the public school would be occupied by someone else anyway? Do you all refuse to drive on the government's roads, pay for services with the government's dollars, or call on the government's emergency services?

 

[Kraig]

The guy asked for a solution assuming universal delivery. You cant have universal delivery of any good without socializing at least some of the costs. Given those parameters, IMO, I have described the system that maximizes the efficiency.

I never said I advocate public funding of education, but I think you'd be hard pressed to convince even 10% of people to turn that switch back... ever. Given that limitation, I think privatizing the schools themselves is about as far as can be accomplished, at least in my lifetime.

You think I care about how many I can convince? It's MY money! It's MY labor! I do NOT want the government to spend it on schools. Period. Universal delivery is NOT needed or even good. Stop using everyone else as an excuse and take responsibility for what you are recommending. You never said you advocate public funding, you just wrote up a little blurb of how it should be done, that doesn't make any sense.

 

[constituent]

Do you all refuse to drive on the government's roads, pay for services with the government's dollars, or call on the government's emergency services?

Wow, "the government's" you say?

Do "we" not pay out of pocket for the services listed above?

 

[Kraig]

Well, I'm a (substitute) teacher looking for a full time job. I substitute all around my public school district. Yet I consider myself a market anarchist.

It's not the fault of the teachers that the State has monopolized the education sector to such an extent that it's difficult to get a teaching job not in a public school, especially one that pays well. Must I handicap myself by limiting my job opportunities when the job in the public school would be occupied by someone else anyway? Do you all refuse to drive on the government's roads, pay for services with the government's dollars, or call on the government's emergency services?

Absolutely whenever possible. Not taking a government job was the easy part.

 

[JK/SEA]

What is yours?

That is really what is at issue here.

My wife is 4th grade teacher, and i see and hear things most have no clue about. Being somewhat in the loop is helpful into my base knowledge, rather than being an outsider who just hears snipets of things that have no relevance.

Homeschooling is a good idea, but not the entire answer on how one gains an education.