STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[Minarchy4Sale]

Private schools with public funding are still public schools. I makes no difference to me if your idea makes them better or more efficient, I am still paying for something I never want to use. If I am never going to use it, why would I care if it is improved?

because it will turn out better thinkers who are less likely to be sheep and more likely to listen to you.

 

[acptulsa]

The information they are lacking is that they are in a profession of scumbags.

And the point you are missing is just because he's in a profession of scumbags doesn't mean he's a scumbag.

Now, if he can avoid being a scumbag in Washington, Dastardly Cesspool, then why can't someone avoid being a scumbag in a public school? And if they do, do they deserve to be demonized, or given a freaking medal?

Individuals are individual individuals, and as soon as you start painting with a broad brush you're no better than the Missouri Information Analysis Center.

 

[Truth Warrior]

About 20 years ago ~70% of the nation was functionally illiterate AND "government schooled".

 

[NYgs23]

people like you frighten me. fortunately, you seem to be highly concentrated in NY, just please don't both venturing out too much.

What are you talking about? The roads are "owned" by the govt in the same sense that the schools are, are they not? Maybe you don't think either is owned by the govt, but the point is that they are equivalent services monoplized by the govt. Some of you have said it's different with the roads because we paid for them. But you also paid for the schools. Perhaps all libertarian govt road workers should quit and let the roads fill with potholes.

 

[Kraig]

If someone is born a midget and chooses to exploit the part in a circus, then they should be laughed at and belittled. To the contrary, if someone is born a man amongst boys and chooses to play the part of their servant, all for their betterment, then they should be respected.
Teaching is what it is today because Socrates, the founder of Western Civilization, considered the possibility of helping a slave's mind recollect by his serving it as a midwife philosopher (a serving teacher).
Without Socrates defining teaching in such a way, Civilization would have never been able to afford itself because no amount of money would have been sufficient to pay teachers what they deserve.

Socrates did not understand how free market prices are determined. Something is not worth some obscure or mystical value.

 

[constituent]

because it will turn out better thinkers who are less likely to be sheep and more likely to listen to you.

which is why i disagree w/ minarchy.


imo, the best way to teach a student about life is through the living.

the current system is fail, let them learn this firsthand. let the rotten fruits be born before their eyes.

 

[NYgs23]

Have you ever had your class stand to perform the pledge of allegiance to the flag?

No, I haven't. I will admit I stand there like an idiot, but do you even think I'd bother to yell at 25 teenagers to stand? I have better things to worry about.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Sorry, by profession I was referring to public school teachers, not teachers in general. For the most part I think they either stay in either the public or private sector, I have not heard of many teachers that switch back and forth, and the public teaching jobs are FAR easier to get.

Socrates was the public teacher serving the slave's mind as a midwife philosopher. It was Aristotle who chose to return to private teaching when he taught Alexander the Great not as a serving teacher but as his trainer. Such teachers always existed prior to Socrates in that they were needed to train the children of the ruling elite so that they could one day take up their rightful positions as rulers.

 

[acptulsa]

What are you talking about? The roads are "owned" by the govt in the same sense that the schools are, are they not? Maybe you don't think either is owned by the govt, but the point is that they are equivalent services monoplized by the govt. Some of you have said it's different with the roads because we paid for them. But you also paid for the schools. Perhaps all libertarian govt road workers should quit and let the roads fill with potholes.

This government of the people, by the people and for the people seems to have perished from the Earth...

*sigh*

I still say that doesn't mean everyone who works for the government has forgotten where they come from or who the whole goofy thing is supposed to be for, and it doesn't mean that none of them are trying.

Yes, kill the system. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Sorry, by profession I was referring to public school teachers, not teachers in general. For the most part I think they either stay in either the public or private sector, I have not heard of many teachers that switch back and forth, and the public teaching jobs are FAR easier to get.

My only point Kraig, and of course you can take it or leave it, is that some of those teachers, and maybe only SOME, are upset at what they're seeing. But, simply do not know enough to pinpoint what is really the problem. Do you ever remember feeling like that yourself? It is those people I think we can reach. After all, what do we really gain by wholesale insulting an entire profession, besides a little momentary satisfaction? We certainly don't forward the movement or make any converts. It's only my opinion, but I truly think that we will win many more people over if we use persuasion, reason and facts.

Maybe we're all just so damn frustrated at this point, that it's too hard to have patience with those who don't get it.

 

[constituent]

What are you talking about? The roads are "owned" by the govt in the same sense that the schools are, are they not? Maybe you don't think either is owned by the govt, but the point is that they are equivalent services monoplized by the govt. Some of you have said it's different with the roads because we paid for them. But you also paid for the schools. Perhaps all libertarian govt road workers should quit and let the roads fill with potholes.

Strawman. I'm well aware that "we" pay for the schools as well.

Nice try though.

 

[Kraig]

And the point you are missing is just because he's in a profession of scumbags doesn't mean he's a scumbag.

Now, if he can avoid being a scumbag in Washington, Dastardly Cesspool, then why can't someone avoid being a scumbag in a public school? And if they do, do they deserve to be demonized, or given a freaking medal?

Individuals are individual individuals, and as soon as you start painting with a broad brush you're no better than the Missouri Information Analysis Center.

You sure that's the point I'm missing? Or is that just the point you THINK I am missing? Or you want me to say something to make that clear to you? Do you really think that I think Ron Paul is a scumbag? Do you really think that I think my high school buddy turned cop is a scumbag?

 

[NYgs23]

Of course you haven't the lame standardized "dumbed down" curriculum does the job for you. Remedial reading in high school, gimme a frickin' break.

I didn't design the curriculum. The schools, the curriculum, the mandates, all these things are a reality right now. Would you rather have the schools staffed by decent thinking people or brainwashed drones? That doesn't seem fair to the students. At least I know enough to be against the mindless Pledge ritual, the tests, the textbooks, the mandatory unionism, the nonsensical rules.

Would you rather have Ron Paul quit Congress along with the handful of other congressman who have a modicum of common sense once in while?

 

[NYgs23]

This government of the people, by the people and for the people seems to have perished from the Earth...

*sigh*

I still say that doesn't mean everyone who works for the government has forgotten where they come from or who the whole goofy thing is supposed to be for, and it doesn't mean that none of them are trying.

Yes, kill the system. But don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

That's my point!

 

[acptulsa]

You sure that's the point I'm missing? Or is that just the point you THINK I am missing? Or you want me to say something to make that clear to you? Do you really think that I think Ron Paul is a scumbag? Do you really think that I think my high school buddy turned cop is a scumbag?

Well, I don't know what to think. You say that's the information they're missing, but you don't sound as if your friend is missing the information. You make it sound like he's painfully aware of this information, gets reminded every day, and puts up with it at great personal pain and disgust because he wants the public to be served by someone who is human.

And I say bravo.

That's my point!

And to you I not only say bravo, but I got your back. Thank you for trying to get the job done despite the fact that you have to fight the system tooth and nail to do it right.

 

[Truth Warrior]

Close the Government Schools by Vin Suprynowicz


Public Education Fails by Charley Reese

 

[LibertyEagle]

What are you talking about? The roads are "owned" by the govt in the same sense that the schools are, are they not? Maybe you don't think either is owned by the govt, but the point is that they are equivalent services monoplized by the govt. Some of you have said it's different with the roads because we paid for them. But you also paid for the schools. Perhaps all libertarian govt road workers should quit and let the roads fill with potholes.

See, the thing is that the government itself owns nothing. WE are supposed to own the government and thus everything that the government funded with our tax dollars.

Now, about your statement about potholes. Are you saying that the only way a pothole could be filled is if a government worker fills it? Surely not.

Are we just missing each other on semantics?

 

[NYgs23]

Strawman. I'm well aware that "we" pay for the schools as well.

Nice try though.

What's the strawman? The point is you use govt services. As long as the govt monopolizes those services, don't you want the run halfway decently? Would rather they be shitty just to make a point???

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Socrates didn't know the market?

Socrates did not understand how free market prices are determined. Something is not worth some obscure or mystical value.

No one understood the market like Socrates. While the Sophists were charging money to answer questions asked by the rich, Socrates was asking questions of the poor in the market place for free. At times, a question would burn so much in him that he would rush to put on his robe to race to the market on the ice while barefooted with his students following up hobbling after him.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

If someone is born a midget and chooses to exploit the part in a circus, then they should be laughed at and belittled. To the contrary, if someone is born a man amongst boys and chooses to play the part of their servant, all for their betterment, then they should be respected.
Teaching is what it is today because Socrates, the founder of Western Civilization, considered the possibility of helping a slave's mind recollect by his serving it as a midwife philosopher (a serving teacher).
Without Socrates defining teaching in such a way, Civilization would have never been able to afford itself because no amount of money would have been sufficient to pay teachers what they deserve.

I don't need a western Civ lesson or a stupid metaphor.