STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[acptulsa]

Now, about your statement about potholes. Are you saying that the only way a pothole could be filled is if a government worker fills it? Surely not.

Are we just missing each other on semantics?

I think so. I think he's intimating that no roadworker but a libertarian is likely to do it right.

 

[rockandrollsouls]

No one understood the market like Socrates. While the Sophists were charging money to answer questions asked by the rich, Socrates was asking questions of the poor in the market place for free. At times, a question would burn so much in him that he would rush to put on his robe to race to the market on the ice while barefooted with his students following up hobbling after him.

Socrates was did not understand the marketplace. Don't try to twist it to make it sound like he did.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I didn't design the curriculum. The schools, the curriculum, the mandates, all these things are a reality right now. Would you rather have the schools staffed by decent thinking people or brainwashed drones? That doesn't seem fair to the students. At least I know enough to be against the mindless Pledge ritual, the tests, the textbooks, the mandatory unionism, the nonsensical rules.

Would you rather have Ron Paul quit Congress along with the handful of other congressman who have a modicum of common sense once in while?

Ron Paul DOES NOT a COTUS make.

 

[NYgs23]

See, the thing is that the government itself owns nothing. WE are supposed to own the government and thus everything that the government funded with our tax dollars.

I understand that. The point is the govt controls them right now, legitimately or illegitimately

Now, about your statement about potholes. Are you saying that the only way a pothole could be filled is if a government worker fills it?

As long as the govt controls and monopolizes the road system only government-funded workers will fill them. As long as the schools are controlled by the govt only government-funded teachers will teach in them.

 

[acptulsa]

What's the strawman? The point is you use govt services. As long as the govt monopolizes those services, don't you want the run halfway decently? Would rather they be shitty just to make a point???

Just as soon as we sabotage the systems, the liberals have someone to blame for their failures. And they just love that...

 

[PrairieQueen]

I have lurked here for a long time and almost everyday I consider deleting my account because of threads like this.

So, I know it won't matter to some, but I would like to say WELCOME to any teachers or cops or anyone who is here to learn, like myself. I hope I won't delete my account tomorrow

 

[constituent]

What's the strawman? The point is you use govt services. As long as the govt monopolizes those services, don't you want the run halfway decently? Would rather they be shitty just to make a point???

They are shitty. Your whole argument is non-sense b/c it is based on the assumption that the schools are run halfway decently, knowing that to be a lie.

Prove to me that schools are run halfway decently first, then you will have legs to stand on.

 

[NYgs23]

And to you I not only say bravo, but I got your back. Thank you for trying to get the job done despite the fact that you have to fight the system tooth and nail to do it right.

Thank you. Unfortunately, some people around here seem to want to cut off their noses to spite their faces by pretending that, under the current system, living life without utilizing govt-controlled services on some level is a viable option for most.

 

[constituent]

I guess you havent been reading your own work much.

my point stands, thanks.

besides, i have nothing to fear.

(nice threat btw, nice form for a 'minarchist')

 

[constituent]

Thank you. Unfortunately, some people around here seem to want to cut off their noses to spite their faces by pretending that, under the current system, living life without utilizing govt-controlled services on some level is a viable option for most.

...and we should concern ourselves with "for most," why again?

 

[Minarchy4Sale]

my point stands, thanks.

besides, i have nothing to fear.

except prison, unless of course you anarchs are all talk and no action, which I suspect is the case.

 

[Kraig]

My only point Kraig, and of course you can take it or leave it, is that some of those teachers, and maybe only SOME, are upset at what they're seeing. But, simply do not know enough to pinpoint what is really the problem. Do you ever remember feeling like that yourself? It is those people I think we can reach. After all, what do we really gain by wholesale insulting an entire profession, besides a little momentary satisfaction? We certainly don't forward the movement or make any converts. It's only my opinion, but I truly think that we will win many more people over if we use persuasion, reason and facts.

Maybe we're all just so damn frustrated at this point, that it's too hard to have patience with those who don't get it.

Point taken man, I just think that those who are fed up with the system would be more likely to agree with me when I insult it, rather than get offended. I'm really very friendly in real life though, this is completely not a big deal. I think this thread has turned more into this and that side trying to get the other to admit they're wrong than anything else.

Also, there is much to gain by insulting an entire profession, depending on who you are talking to. Sure talk to a teacher and mouth off about the public school system and you might lose any chance at furthering the conversion. However, talk to a 21 year old who still has years of a horrible public school experience fresh in his mind, and the same mouthing off might get you enough respect for him to keep listening.

Trust me, when I am at the bar chatting up a random stranger about politics or whatever, I tread slowly and carefully, testing the waters to see how they respond to smaller things. The forums just don't work like that IMO, for the most part we are all saying what we want to say rather than having a conversation with someone individually, and often people are just more blunt and open than they would be face to face.

I really don't go running around offending people, more often than not it's ME who feels offended by their extreme non-interest or apathy, and then it's me who shuts up before they ever realized what I wanted to talk about.

 

[NYgs23]

They are shitty. Your whole argument is non-sense b/c it is based on the assumption that the schools are run halfway decently, knowing that to be a lie.

Prove to me that schools are run halfway decently first, then you will have legs to stand on.

The roads are shitty too. But if you push out the only people willing to work on them, they'll be even shittier. If you tell all the thinking teachers to quit the schools and leave them to union bosses and morons, the schools will be even shittier. Same with the cops. Do you want to tell what good, honest cops there are to quit on a principle and leave only the thugs?

It's like term limits in Congress. When all congressmen who believe in term limits quit after three terms on the principle, they make it practically less likely term limits will actually ever pass.

 

[constituent]

As long as the govt controls and monopolizes the road system only government-funded workers will fill them. As long as the schools are controlled by the govt only government-funded teachers will teach in them.

Exactly, and as long as "well-meaning teachers" continue to legitimize the government and its schools, the government will continue to control education and thru it the nation's future.

 

[constituent]

except prison, unless of course you anarchs are all talk and no action, which I suspect is the case.

do what?

"you anarchs?"

"all talk?"

(what kinda baiting crap is that?)

wtf are you talking about, and why would i have to fear prison for expressing my thoughts on society?

you're just being ridiculous.

 

[PrairieQueen]

The forums just don't work like that IMO, for the most part we are all saying what we want to say rather than having a conversation with someone individually, and often people are just more blunt and open than they would be face to face.

Why? There are still real life people on the "other" side of the computer. Why would you, meaning everyone, not talk to them like you do someone in the bar?

I don't get it...

 

[newbitech]

Exactly, and as long as "well-meaning teachers" continue to legitimize the government and its schools, the government will continue to control education and thru it the nation's future.

sort of like our inflated currency and the recent mark to mark rules being loosened up. As long as banks are given the go ahead to legitimize worthless assets, we'll keep taxing future generations to pay for the bail outs.

 

[constituent]

The roads are shitty too. But if you push out the only people willing to work on them, they'll be even shittier.

...and then folks will stop asking for competition and start demanding it.

 

[NYgs23]

There's NOTHING "MAGIC" about government. It's ALL just people.

Who's talking about magic? Do you not see that when the govt owns the roads (or controls them or whatever you want to call it), the people who maintain the roads will be paid by the govt. What do you except? A private third-party to pay people to maintain the government's roads? The point is that the govt does control these things right now. Ipso facto, it's the only one who's going to maintain and staff these govt-controlled things.

 

[constituent]

Why? There are still real life people on the "other" side of the computer. Why would you, meaning everyone, not talk to them like you do someone in the bar?

I don't get it...

You frame it as though this is a bad thing... I wish folks were more direct in real life like they are on the internet.