So far the recount is showing discrepancies

[tmg19103]

indirectly is not enough....you could go on to say..well, my employer pays me so he vicariously pays my taxes... that is retarded logic.
whoever's name is on the property tax bill... which usually is the home owner, not the bank.... has the right to vote.

I could possibly agree on a right to vote in regards to property issues if you are a renter, but what would home ownership have to due with my right to vote on, say, a municipal firearms law? My state and the federal constitution guarnatee my right to bear arms - yet you would say I could vote on that issue only if I am a property owner?

And, while I do rent due to a divorce just outside Philly, I do own a vacation home outright in Nantucket, MA. However, my permanent resdience is where I rent (for the time being) outside Philly. Plus, I used to mortgage (own) a home in the township where I now live. Hell, if I don't have to pay taxes where I live now due to being a renter and yet I still own a nice vacation home on paradise island, I'll take that. My homeowners insurance just jumped on tyhe nantucket house and I could use the extra money.

 

[m72mc]

he needs help in New Hampshire NOW WITH CAMERAS

http://mp3.wtprn.com/Albrecht08.html (hour 2)

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

http://www.sos.nh.gov/recountresults.htm

Note: Some wards show no totals for Ron Paul and other candidates in the recount column. These are wards that hav not been recounted yet.

Taking a little brak in my work, I wrote a little parser. that analyzes this ugly gov html and changes it to something more readable (at least for me). It is updated every hour and the results are grouped by County. I've added only 3 candidates, if someone needs more, let me know. I don't guarantee that it counts everything correctly, as it depends a bit on the structure of the gov file (which is some front page made crap).

http://konczyk.net/recount.html

 

[torchbearer]

I could possibly agree on a right to vote in regards to property issues if you are a renter, but what would home ownership have to due with my right to vote on, say, a municipal firearms law? My state and the federal constitution guarnatee my right to bear arms - yet you would say I could vote on that issue only if I am a property owner?

And, while I do rent due to a divorce just outside Philly, I do own a vacation home outright in Nantucket, MA. However, my permanent resdience is where I rent (for the time being) outside Philly. Plus, I used to mortgage (own) a home in the township where I now live. Hell, if I don't have to pay taxes where I live now due to being a renter and yet I still own a nice vacation home on paradise island, I'll take that. My homeowners insurance just jumped on tyhe nantucket house and I could use the extra money.

I didn't say only property owners...I said property owners... there is a difference.

 

[dougkeenan]

I have to leave this thread because the stupidity is not tolerable.

"Surf"

 

[torchbearer]

Taking a little brak in my work, I wrote a little parser. that analyzes this ugly gov html and changes it to something more readable (at least for me). It is updated every hour and the results are grouped by County. I've added only 3 candidates, if someone needs more, let me know. I don't guarantee that it counts everything correctly, as it depends a bit on the structure of the gov file (which is some front page made crap).

http://konczyk.net/recount.html

Did you include the unfinished wards? Ron has a +7 change unless you are counting the zeros from the unfinished wards.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

You are correct. Except they can't be taxed without the right to vote so they would be excluded from the income and social security tax. Of course, they would collect no social security.

I'd sell my property and sign up for that deal right now. However, we already have a system in place for this election and it's fair to say that every vote should be counted, regardless of how you'd set up your dream election.

 

[szczebrzeszyn]

Did you include the unfinished wards? Ron has a +7 change unless you are counting the zeros from the unfinished wards.

it's simplified, counts anything other than number as 0

 

[Caravello]

If you have a loan on a property you are not the sole owner of the property. I'm in this business and can assure you, your ownership is "qualified" and is not full fee ownership. Go and pick up a title report; it will say Homeowner X is the fee owner of the property subject to the following mortgage, liens, taxes, etc. And it's true, since the government can take your house for non-payment of taxes, that you never truly own a property. You remain a renter or tenant in a sense b/c the rules are set up that the government is the true core owner of the land and we settle upon it and are granted a right to use the land but subject to certain conditions, one of which is a government lien for non-payment of taxes. I think these rules suck, but those are the rules.

 

[Edu]

Taking a little brak in my work, I wrote a little parser. that analyzes this ugly gov html and changes it to something more readable (at least for me). It is updated every hour and the results are grouped by County. I've added only 3 candidates, if someone needs more, let me know. I don't guarantee that it counts everything correctly, as it depends a bit on the structure of the gov file (which is some front page made crap).

http://konczyk.net/recount.html

Good work, I like it!

 

[AlabamaWildMan]

Well...

QFT. You basically run into the same thing when you're given a Certificate of Title for your automobile instead of the End User Certificate (which is the ACTUAL Title)

Isn't that similar to a Birth Certificate too ???
(...or is that only in certain states ?? )

 

[Mental Dribble]

There will always be errors no matter how you count the vote. There is a difference between error and fraud and I've yet to see any proof of any outright fraud but I have seen evidence of stupid people not being able to vote properly and those votes shouldn't count.

I disagree.

Are there errors in your banking account every couple days? NO.

If banks can make their system air tight, we should be able to do the same thing with voting.

 

[josh24601]

I disagree.

Are there errors in your banking account every couple days? NO.

If banks can make their system air tight, we should be able to do the same thing with voting.

I'm pretty sure you've never worked at a bank. Because if you did you'd know this is wildly inaccurate.

 

[Ricochet]

Today on the second hour of "Uncovering the Truth" with Katherine Albrecht show on WTPRN.com, Albert Howard spoke about his heroic efforts to get the NH balloting process audited.

Already suspected are hundreds of votes missing, and the seals have been broken on many archived bundles of ballots. This is before the recount has even officially started. Apparently they are doing the Republican recount after the Democratic one. Dennis Kucinich only had $27,000 towards the Democratic recount, so only a few precincts will be recounted on the Democrat side. Already discovered are many missing votes for Obama.

A call to New Hampshire residents, Albert Howard needs help in Concord with observers and video cameras with enough batteries to last.

A big thank you to the Granny Warriors (grannywarrior.com) who have facilitated money collections and transfers to make this all happen. And of course a huge thank you to Albert Howard, without whom this recount would not be possible.

You can find the archived January 17th second hour here: http://mp3.wtprn.com/Albrecht08.html I recommend listening, it was both informative and inspiring.

Don't let them call it voter fraud, voter fraud is incredibly rare. The issue is election officials fraud.

 

[liberty_Forever]

Yes, fantastic work on the recount aggregator

http://konczyk.net/recount.html

 

[liberty_Forever]

Can we try to contact people on the ground in NH to help with auditing the process (filming, etc)?

 

[Ninja Homer]

Only because we have allowed them to do so.... Michael Badnarik addressed this issue in his presidential campaign in 2004.
If someone is taxing your property..it means they have the right to the property, and you have the privilege to stay on it as long as you keep paying taxes to the king/lord/collectivist government.

Two ways around that are to either have an allodial title or a land patent. With an allodial title, you own the land outright, and can't be taxed for it, but you can only get an allodial title if your land is in Texas and you're BFF with the President. With a land patent, you own the land permanently, but can still be taxed on it. However, the land can never be taken from you even if you fail to pay taxes on it.

This site is interesting: http://www.teamlaw.org/LandPatents.htm

Our opinion is: "In America today, the most important reason to secure your land patent in your name is to secure your status as an Elector. An Elector is a land owning freeman. Only electors can vote for State Senators, Governors and Presidents of the United States of America. When the Government vacated its responsibility to dispensation of the land by not maintaining elected Presidents and Governors the elector’s responsibility to reelect those officials becomes critical. Do to the nature of land ownership in America, such elections can only be caused by electors. If we don’t reseat our state and national governments we will loose our nation to IMF’s New World Order. If we do reseat our governments we will have a chance to save our nation and our Constitution. This year Governor’s Elections are taking place in: New Jersey, Virginia. If you elect an original jurisdiction State Governor this year, they can reseat their national Senators and those original jurisdiction Senators will have the authority to reseat our nation’s original jurisdiction President. The entire world is watching us; and, most of the world wants Liberty.

This page is interesting as well: http://www.teamlaw.org/Government/usmap.htm. I don't know if it's all true or not, I just found it interesting.

 

[torchbearer]

I'm pretty sure you've never worked at a bank. Because if you did you'd know this is wildly inaccurate.

I've worked at the bank and we were 99.999% accurate with our accounting. Bank One.

 

[Edu]

QFT. You basically run into the same thing when you're given a Certificate of Title for your automobile instead of the End User Certificate (which is the ACTUAL Title)

It's also called a certificate of origin. Or (possibly) a bill of lading.

Anyone notice your "pink" slip "certificate of title" is colored?

Ever heard of "color of law" ? Could it be a "colored title" ?

So much fun.....

 

[Jhe]

But if you rent, the owner of the property has to pay property taxes and the owner pays those taxes through your rent, so even as a renter you are paying property taxes indirectly.

The difference is if you don't pay the rent you have to find a new apartment.
If an owner does not pay the taxes they are runied financially for many years and subject to prosecution.