Veterans far more likely to be mass shooters than transgenders

[TheTexan]

I nominate you for national trans tester!

I'd prefer not to.

I took an online quiz a year ago where I got 19 out of 20 right on whether they were dudes or men.

But I got 1 wrong and it has haunted me ever since

 

[Invisible Man]

If you don't chop your dick you can still be trans

All you need is a wig, a purse, and a strong feeling of entitlement

For the purposes of this discussion, it's more complicated than that.

The claim that 1 percent of the population is transgender is based on anonymous responses to a poll. It's not limited to people who openly tell other people they are the opposite sex of what they biologically are.

So it's invalid to use a different criteria than that when counting the number of mass shooters who are transgender to draw conclusions about whether they are over-represented or under-represented.

 

[Invisible Man]

It tells you who is

Are you referring to this database?

Mass Shootings in 2025 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

If so, can you show me where it tells you who is transgender? Because I don't see that anywhere.

 

[CaptUSA]

And at this point your just lying to pretend that's not the case.

That's pretty rich. Care to address this? https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/v...-than-transgenders.572364/page-2#post-7313224

You know, since you made me post it twice and you still ignored it?
1% of the population commited 5.5% of the mass shootings (non-gang/drug-related).
Almost the same rate at which that portion of the population is prescribed SSRI's.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah, go ahead and omit the post where I laid it out. https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/v...ooters-than-transgenders.572364/#post-7313174

Let's make it REAL simple:

How many mass shooting with no connection to gangs or drugs were committed in the last 10 years?
According to the Stanford University “Mass Shootings in America” Data Project—which defines a mass shooting as three or more people shot in one incident in a public place, excluding events tied to gangs, drugs, or other criminal enterprises—there were 73 such incidents in the United States between January 1, 2015 and December 31, 2024.

How many of those were committed by transgender or non-binary suspects
According to a Newsweek count of high-fatality, non–gang/drug-related mass shootings since 2015, four of those incidents were carried out by perpetrators publicly identified as transgender or non-binary. (And newsweek used the Gun Violence Archive)

What percentage of the population identifies as transgender or non-binary in the US
Based on the most recent and comprehensive data:

U.S. Population Identifying as Transgender or Non-Binary​

• Overall (ages 13+): Approximately 2.8 million people, or 1.0% of the U.S. population aged 13 and older, identify as transgender or non-binary.

These figures come from large-scale national surveys like the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS), Youth Risk Behavior Survey (YRBS), and Pew Research polling.

So, 1 percent of the population committed 5-6% of the mass shootings where gangs and drugs were not involved.

4 / 4917 = 0.083%. So what's your point?

How many mass shootings have their been since 2015 in the United States?

ChatGPT said:​

You're asking: How many mass shootings have there been in the United States since 2015?
The short answer: It depends heavily on the definition of "mass shooting." Different sources use different criteria—such as whether they count injuries as well as deaths, whether they exclude incidents tied to gang or domestic violence, and how many victims must be injured or killed to qualify. Here’s what current data shows:

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Estimates from Key Sources​

Gun Violence Archive (GVA)​

• It defines a mass shooting as an event in which four or more people are injured or killed (excluding the shooter), with no exclusion for context (i.e., including gang, domestic, or criminal activity).
• Between 2019 and 2023, GVA counted:
  • 611 in 2020
  • 689 in 2021
  • 656 in 2023
    (All based on updates from CNN and other media citing GVA) CNN+1AxiosAl Jazeera
• A March 2025 study quoting GVA data noted that since 2014, there have been nearly 5,000 mass shootings, with more than 500 annually since 2020 The Guardian.

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Mother Jones / "Mass Shooting Tracker" (Reddit-based)​

• Mother Jones reported 332 mass shootings in 2015, rising to 503 in 2024.
• Overall, they counted 4,917 mass shootings from 2015 through 2024 National Rifle Association - NRA.

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Wikipedia / JAMA Study​

• A JAMA report covering 2014 to 2022 found 4,011 mass shootings using a specific methodology Wikipedia.
• Wikipedia’s summary table (which may rely on multiple sources and often includes both fatalities and injuries) recorded:
  • 371 events in 2015
  • Through to 2023, with similarly high numbers each year Wikipedia.

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Summary Overview Since 2015​

Here’s a consolidated look at the available figures, based on different definitions:

Source / Definition	Count (2015–2024 or 2022)
Mother Jones (public, 4+ shot or killed)	~4,917 mass shootings (2015–2024)
Gun Violence Archive (broad, 4+ shot)	~5,000 since 2014; rising ~500/year since 2020
JAMA Study (4+ killed, certain contexts)	4,011 (2014–2022)

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Why the Numbers Vary​

• Definition differences: Some count only events with fatalities, others include injuries; some exclude criminal activity, others do not.
• Source coverage: Mother Jones and JAMA use narrower definitions focusing on public mass shootings with fatalities; GVA includes virtually every incident with four or more people shot.
• Timeframes: Not all data sources extend through 2024, and some only go to the end of 2022 or earlier.

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Takeaway​

If you're looking at all mass shooting events—even including injuries and criminal contexts—the GVA’s estimate of nearly 5,000 since 2014 (with over 500 per year since 2020) is likely the highest and most inclusive measure.
If you're focused narrowly on public incidents where four or more people were shot or killed, Mother Jones' total of around 4,917 between 2015 and 2024 is the figure most commonly referenced.

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Let Me Know​

Want to narrow it down? I can help you get a more tailored count based on specific definitions—for example, focusing on shootings with fatalities only, or excluding certain contexts (like gang or domestic violence). Just let me know your preferred criteria!

 

[jmdrake]

That's pretty rich. Care to address this? https://ronpaulforums.com/threads/v...-than-transgenders.572364/page-2#post-7313224

You know, since you made me post it twice and you still ignored it?
1% of the population commited 5.5% of the mass shootings (non-gang/drug-related).
Almost the same rate at which that portion of the population is prescribed SSRI's.

You must have failed middle school math. Your chat session said there were 4 trans and/or non binary mass shooters since 2015. There have been 4,197 mass shooting events since 2015. That's 0.083%.

 

[jmdrake]

Are you referring to this database?

Mass Shootings in 2025 | Gun Violence Archive

Gun Violence Archive (GVA) is a not for profit corporation formed in 2013 to provide free online public access to accurate information about gun-related violence in the United States. GVA will collect and check for accuracy, comprehensive information about gun-related violence in the U.S. and...

www.gunviolencearchive.org

If so, can you show me where it tells you who is transgender? Because I don't see that anywhere.

 

[CaptUSA]

4 / 4917 = 0.083%. So what's your point?

How many mass shootings have their been since 2015 in the United States?

Hilarious!

Of course you want to include gang and drug mass shootings when it suits your needs. And then want those excluded when a different argument is being made.

 

[jmdrake]

Hilarious!

Of course you want to include gang and drug mass shootings when it suits your needs. And then want those excluded when a different argument is being made.

Oh FFS! @Anti Federalist does the same thing to inflate the number of black shooters. You [mod edit] (and yes I'm including you in that label at this point), need to make up your mind!

 

[CaptUSA]

Oh FFS! @Anti Federalist does the same thing to inflate the number of black shooters. You [mod edit] (and yes I'm including you in that label at this point), need to make up your mind!

Weak.

JM pulls out the race card - again.

 

[jmdrake]

Weak.

JM pulls out the race card - again.

You pull the bullshyt card...again. You never complain when AF includes gang related mass shootings. I wonder why?

 

[TheTexan]

You pull the bullshyt card...again. You never complain when AF includes gang related mass shootings. I wonder why?

At least for my opinion,

I don't really count or care about black on black violence, can exclude those statistics from everything as far as I'm concerned.

Let them kill each other

 

[CaptUSA]

You pull the bullshyt card...again. You never complain when AF includes gang related mass shootings. I wonder why?

Go back through that thread. You'll find multiple instances of me calling out AF's generalization with numbers.

Getting back to THIS thread, I'm not sure what your beef is. I'm not putting the blame on the "trans community", except that they are being prescribed at an elevated rate just like the veteran community. ANd I believe there's a connection that leads to RANDOM acts of mass violence. Which is why in this context, we remove gang and drug-related mass shootings - because those are not random and the perpetrators of those crimes are not guided by the same incentives.

But yeah - keep playing that race card - it's pretty worn out at this point.

 

[jmdrake]

Go back through that thread. You'll find multiple instances of me calling out AF's generalization with numbers.

Getting back to THIS thread, I'm not sure what your beef is. I'm not putting the blame on the "trans community", except that they are being prescribed at an elevated rate just like the veteran community. ANd I believe there's a connection that leads to RANDOM acts of mass violence. Which is why in this context, we remove gang and drug-related mass shootings - because those are not random and the perpetrators of those crimes are not guided by the same incentives.

But yeah - keep playing that race card - it's pretty worn out at this point.

What percentage of mass shootings since 2015 were drug or gang related?

ChatGPT said:​

Determining the exact percentage of mass shootings since 2015 that are drug or gang-related is challenging due to variations in definitions, reporting standards, and data sources. However, available data provides some insights:

• Gun Violence Archive (GVA): The GVA defines a mass shooting as an incident where at least four individuals are injured by gunfire, not including the shooter. This definition encompasses a broad range of incidents, including those related to gang violence and drug trafficking. While the GVA does not specifically categorize incidents as gang or drug-related, it includes such events if they meet the injury threshold. Gun Violence Archive+1
• FBI Active Shooter Incidents: The FBI's definition of "active shooter incidents" excludes gang- and drug-related violence. Therefore, incidents stemming from these causes are not included in the FBI's data on mass shootings. Federal Bureau of Investigation
• General Observations: Some analyses suggest that a significant portion of mass shootings are related to gang conflicts or drug-related activities. For instance, a report indicated that about one-quarter of mass killings involving firearms occurred in public settings and were linked to gang conflicts, drug trafficking, or other criminal enterprises. The Washington Post

In summary, while precise percentages are difficult to ascertain due to differing definitions and reporting standards, available data indicates that a notable proportion of mass shootings are related to gang or drug activities. However, these incidents may not be consistently categorized as "mass shootings" depending on the data source and its specific criteria.

You said:​

Okay. So give me the numbers from the FBI active shooter database.

ChatGPT said:​

The FBI's active shooter database does not specifically categorize incidents as "gang-related" or "drug-related." The FBI defines an active shooter as one or more individuals actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a populated area. Incidents arising from gang conflicts or drug-related activities are included in this definition if they meet the criteria, but they are not separately identified or analyzed within the database.

For instance, the FBI's 2023 Active Shooter Report indicates that there were 48 active shooter incidents in that year, resulting in 244 casualties. However, the report does not specify the motivations behind these incidents, such as whether they were gang- or drug-related. Federal Bureau of Investigation

Similarly, the 2022 Active Shooter Report notes that in 48% of incidents, the shooter had a known connection to the location and/or at least one victim, whereas in 52% of incidents, there was no known connection identified. Federal Bureau of Investigation Again, the report does not provide information on whether these incidents were related to gang or drug activities.

Given the lack of specific categorization in the FBI's active shooter database, it's not possible to provide a definitive percentage of mass shootings since 2015 that were gang- or drug-related based on this data alone.

 

[CaptUSA]

What percentage of mass shootings since 2015 were drug or gang related?

Ask your AI about this...

According to the Stanford University “Mass Shootings in America” Data Project—which defines a mass shooting as three or more people shot in one incident in a public place, excluding events tied to gangs, drugs, or other criminal enterprises—there were 73 such incidents in the United States between January 1, 2015 and December 31, 2024.

 

[jmdrake]

Ask your AI about this...

According to the Stanford University “Mass Shootings in America” Data Project—which defines a mass shooting as three or more people shot in one incident in a public place, excluding events tied to gangs, drugs, or other criminal enterprises—there were 73 such incidents in the United States between January 1, 2015 and December 31, 2024.

About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth

1.6% of U.S. adults are transgender or nonbinary. Also, a rising share of Americans say they know someone who is transgender.

www.pewresearch.org

About 5 percent of adults between the ages of 18 - 29 identify as trans. Robin Westman was 23. The Nashville shooter was also in her 20s.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh FFS! @Anti Federalist does the same thing to inflate the number of black shooters. You [mod edit] (and yes I'm including you in that label at this point), need to make up your mind!

My criteria has always been the same: the "Mother Jones" definition.

That is what FBI, while never formally defining a "mass shooting", used, for years.

4 or more shot/injured/killed in a single criminal event, regardless of context or causation, not including the shooter/shooters or shooter suicide.

It does not matter to me if you're a black ghetto gangbanger or White weirdosexual.

A mass shooting is a mass shooting.

They can not be prevented or avoided or defended against without knowing who is most likely to commit such shootings.

Oh, BTW, in light of recent events and others that are just now coming to public scrutiny, let me just very kindly remark that you're not making any friends or winning any converts to your position by throwing "racist" at people as a pejorative or damning comment.

That well has run dry.

 

[acptulsa]

All of this arguing over lies, damned lies and statistics is just a distraction from the truth of the matter. Both of these groups are being screwed up and screwed over by the psychiatric profession.

Government took psychiatry over and broke it. Try to get someone you know psychiatric help these days and see what you get. "I want this person to get help, but if you don't know what's going on you can't help. Let me tell you what's going on here that you'll never see in your office."

"Sorry, because of HIPAA and other laws I cannot discuss the inside of a patient's head with you."

"But this person is no one's patient right now."

"That doesn't matter. Only the insane person can make that decision."

Leave it to government to reserve unto insane people the sole authority to make decisions. Leave it to government to restrict information that is needed to accomplish the goal. That's not a recipe to improve mental health, it's a policy geared toward creating crises. Throw Big Pharma into the mix and it's no wonder people are cracking up left and right. Throw in the federal government closing all the inpatient hospitals forty years ago and tossing all the schizophrenics out in the street to breed with each other, and you need not wonder how we arrived at anarcho-tyranny in our streets.

 

[TheTexan]

You pull the bullshyt card...again. You never complain when AF includes gang related mass shootings. I wonder why?

I would also note it's both comical and horrifying that there's an entire category of mass shootings that needs to be accounted for, solely dedicated to black on black violence.

That tells you something

"Oh.. that's a gang mass shooting... doesn't count "

 

[CaptUSA]

All of this arguing over lies, damned lies and statistics is just a distraction from the truth of the matter. Both of these groups are being screwed up and screwed over by the psychiatric profession.

YES! That's the point exactly.