So far the recount is showing discrepancies

[Caravello]

Have you served in the US armed forces?

Well I have. I think putting my life on the line for this country and living here, born and raised gives me every right to vote. That's more of an investment than buying a house for yourself. What have you sacrificed for your country?

What a jackass!

I understand both arguments, and I used to sympathize with JTMann's view, but I think property ownership today is not a good reflection of work ethic and virtue like it probably used to be. A lot of people bust their butts and can't afford a home. And then how do you define property ownership? Like the poster says, in reality banks own most properties or have the first claim on them in event of default. So is that really personal/private ownership? The owners are de facto tenants until they pay off the loan.

 

[torchbearer]

Thread title fixed for you.

You do realize everyone is gaining and losing small numbers of votes, and it won't affect the overall percentages or rankings (much less the only important thing, delegates)?

Dude, its about the fact that they are not counting the votes correctly... and that shouldn't be tolerated. Every vote should be counted, no exceptions.
Why can't they just hand count them to begin with????? why use the machines? Its obviously not accurate...

This isn't about changing the vote percentages, it about showing the major flaws in our voting system so people like you can learn to stfu when it comes to my vote being counted.

 

[The Lantern]

Personally I feel that only property owners should vote, so no I don't believe in one person one vote. If you don't have an investment in the country than you should remain a surf.

I believe there is actually a court case going on about this very issue. It has to do with municipal elections. There is a person who owns property in the city but lives out of state. He maintains that he has the right to vote within the municipality because as a property owner he has a right to vote on the city and county commissioners who set his millage rate. As it stands now, the city and county have different standards for home owners versus investors, because home owners vote and out of state investors cannot. So the local tax situation is skewed toward local voters.

 

[torchbearer]

I believe there is actually a court case going on about this very issue. It has to do with municipal elections. There is a person who owns property in the city but lives out of state. He maintains that he has the right to vote within the municipality because as a property owner he has a right to vote on the city and county commissioners who set his millage rate. As it stands now, the city and county have different standards for home owners versus investors, because home owners vote and out of state investors cannot. So the local tax situation is skewed toward local voters.

no taxation without representation. If you can't vote, you shouldn't have to pay the tax because you are not represented.

 

[dawnbt]

Dude, its about the fact that they are not counting the votes correctly... and that shouldn't be tolerated. Every vote should be counted, no exceptions.
Why can't they just hand count them to begin with????? why use the machines? Its obviously not accurate...

This isn't about changing the vote percentages, it about showing the major flaws in our voting system so people like you can learn to stfu when it comes to my vote being counted.

+10000

 

[tmg19103]

Hi,

So from what you state, then the banks and and select group of old people should only be allowed to vote since they are the only ones that really own property. That's right, some of the older people actually own their houses while most people are in debt to their eyeballs trying to payoff their dream house. The reality is, the banks own most of these houses, not the people. If these people are unable to pay their houses then they go to the banks.

You have a strange concept of what our Constitutional Republic is all about.

Good point. If you have a mortgage, as the vast majority of American homeowners do - you don't own you home or land, the bank does.

I currently rent due to a divorce after fifteen years of mortgaged home ownership. My wife got the house. Does that mean I lose my right to vote since I am no longer a "homeowner"? LOL at the OP of this moronic concept that only land/homeowners should be able to vote. Bit wait, I do personally own two cars outright and paid taxes on them. Can I petition the court to restore my voting rights on the automobile ownership loophole?

 

[Edu]

Personally I feel that only property owners should vote, so no I don't believe in one person one vote. If you don't have an investment in the country than you should remain a surf.

I don't know why everyone is getting on this guy's case.

It used to be this way in a lot of places.

Now you would have to say "an interest in land" or something like that, and then people would buy a .000001% interest just so they could vote.

So it probably wouldn't work in this day and age.

I like the idea of a IQ test of some sort.

BTW: Something to think about, it's a Property tax, not a Land tax. And you may have gone down and registered your Land as Property, oops! Must watch those words. A lot of old oil companies don't pay a "property" tax, go check, they hold their land as allodial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

 

[torchbearer]

Good point. If you have a mortgage, as the vast majority of American homeowners do - you don't own you home or land, the bank does.

Yeh, but as the "home owner" you are still obligated to pay the property tax, not the bank. the person who pays the property tax has the right vote on who overseas that money.

 

[tmg19103]

no taxation without representation. If you can't vote, you shouldn't have to pay the tax because you are not represented.

QFT

 

[JMann]

Good point. If you have a mortgage, as the vast majority of American homeowners do - you don't own you home or land, the bank does.

I currently rent due to a divorce after fifteen years of mortgaged home ownership. My wife got the house. Does that mean I lose my right to vote since I am no longer a "homeowner"? LOL at the OP of this moronic concept that only land/homeowners should be able to vote. Bit wait, I do personally own two cars outright and paid taxes on them. Can I petition the court to restore my voting rights on the automobile ownership loophole?

Bank ain't paying the property taxes so it isn't their property. If you stop paying them they take it back. Just as if you don't pay your property tax the government takes it back. So the fact of the matter is that local and state governments own all the property.

 

[tmg19103]

Yeh, but as the "home owner" you are still obligated to pay the property tax, not the bank. the person who pays the property tax has the right vote on who overseas that money.

But if you rent, the owner of the property has to pay property taxes and the owner pays those taxes through your rent, so even as a renter you are paying property taxes indirectly.

 

[N13]

This thread contains hijackers.

GTFO and start a new thread about voting rights.

 

[raiha]

c'mon guys, don't bad-mouth surfing. you can bad-mouth being a serf, but not the surf

What about a surfing serf?

 

[The Lantern]

no taxation without representation. If you can't vote, you shouldn't have to pay the tax because you are not represented.

That is the basis of the case.

 

[tmg19103]

Bank ain't paying the property taxes so it isn't their property. If you stop paying them they take it back. Just as if you don't pay your property tax the government takes it back. So the fact of the matter is that local and state governments own all the property.

Good partial point. The banks hold the title and the government demands its taxes. They both have ownership interest where they can take your home for non-payment when you have a mortgage.

Once you pay off your mortgage, then the government is the only one who can take your property through failure to pay property taxes.

 

[torchbearer]

But if you rent, the owner of the property has to pay property taxes and the owner pays those taxes through your rent, so even as a renter you are paying property taxes indirectly.

indirectly is not enough....you could go on to say..well, my employer pays me so he vicariously pays my taxes... that is retarded logic.
whoever's name is on the property tax bill... which usually is the home owner, not the bank.... has the right to vote.

 

[torchbearer]

Bank ain't paying the property taxes so it isn't their property. If you stop paying them they take it back. Just as if you don't pay your property tax the government takes it back. So the fact of the matter is that local and state governments own all the property.

Only because we have allowed them to do so.... Michael Badnarik addressed this issue in his presidential campaign in 2004.
If someone is taxing your property..it means they have the right to the property, and you have the privilege to stay on it as long as you keep paying taxes to the king/lord/collectivist government.

 

[r3volution]

I have to leave this thread because the stupidity is not tolerable.

liar

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

This thread contains hijackers.

GTFO and start a new thread about voting rights.

Yeah, what was the topic of this thread again?

 

[ConstitutionGal]

Only because we have allowed them to do so.... Michael Badnarik addressed this issue in his presidential campaign in 2004.
If someone is taxing your property..it means they have the right to the property, and you have the privilege to stay on it as long as you keep paying taxes to the king/lord/collectivist government.

QFT. You basically run into the same thing when you're given a Certificate of Title for your automobile instead of the End User Certificate (which is the ACTUAL Title)