So far the recount is showing discrepancies

[affa]

Yep you would be disqualified but you family can vote. No investment no stock in the country, no vote.

Let's go with your idea. You can keep your vote, and we'll keep our pitchforks. I already know who will win.

 

[pcosmar]

Has there been fraud case judicated in the court system and people that have been guilty of this fraud been to prison? If so I will change my opinion but the losing side crying foul isn't proof of fraud.

Yes
In Ohio. that I know of.
There are others that are still pending, and others that are still gathering evidence.
The machines have been pulled and companies sued.

Get your head out of your exit port.

 

[liberty_Forever]

 

[alien]

So are they going to do something about the recount? Like give the candidates the new count or are people just doing this just to know what happened?

I previously had heard nothing about them following through with the recount. I thought we missed the deadline because of Paypal.

 

[liberty_Forever]

no, there was no deadline. New Hampshire law. There is a recount of both Democratic and Republican candidates.

 

[alien]

So that whole thing with the Grannywarriors raising money for a recount was bull?

 

[homah]

Personally I feel that only property owners should vote, so no I don't believe in one person one vote. If you don't have an investment in the country than you should remain a surf.

That seems like a rather arbitrary reason. How about we also eliminate people who don't know the difference between "than" and "then" as such people clearly aren't properly educated. How can we trust such people to determine the proper course of action for this country? Surfs up!

 

[GJ-CO4RonPaul]

c'mon guys, don't bad-mouth surfing. you can bad-mouth being a serf, but not the surf

I feel like an idiot, just rewriting what I saw on the page. Maybe I am a serf

 

[liberty_Forever]

no paypal did freeze the money, but a generous benefactor donated the money for Howard's NH recount pending Paypal's unfreeze of the funds.

 

[JMann]

I am glad that you do not run this country then.

Your views are outdated and do not make rational sense.

Let us use me as an example:
I have gone to college and graduated with a Engineering degree.
I have taken student loans and make more than my minimum payment every month, therefore I am helping the credit system in this country.
I have invested over 25k into my retirement fund in my first two years since graduation, 90% of which is in the US stock market.
I rent my house because I have not saved up enough money for a good down payment on my house. I refuse to do a 80/20 ARM loan like the rest of the people in this country that are now causing it to sink.
I stay up to date with political events and understand that Ron Paul is our best hope from becoming the third world.

But since I don't own my house I shouldn't be allowed to vote even though Johnny Tusam down the street who hasn't made a mortgage payment in 3 months and has 25k in credit card debt has the right to vote for Obama because he looks charming on the TV and doesn't understand a single issue of this election cycle?

No, you are wrong. I respect the right of every US citizen to vote over the age of 18.

Please get off you high horse.

So you disagree with the founding fathers that there should be limits on who should have the right to vote?

 

[pcosmar]

requested proof
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/01/2_ohio_vote_off.html

Two of three high-ranking Cleveland election officials were convicted today of misconduct for rigging the 2004 presidential recount to avoid a more thorough review of the balloting in Cayahoga County, the state's most populous and a Democratic stronghold.

 

[Pete Kay]

Personally I feel that only property owners should vote, so no I don't believe in one person one vote. If you don't have an investment in the country than you should remain a surf.

So you support medieval feudalism?

Uh... you are a true American.

 

[moostraks]

Yep you would be disqualified but you family can vote. No investment no stock in the country, no vote.

Wow of all the arrogance...I guess no one who works hard for a living has a right to decide which individuals will make the call on where their tax dollars go?? How about the money scammed for social security that won't be there when they were promised to have the cash stolen from them returned??? Guess that no taxation without representation thing is just silly drivel....

For the record we own 2 houses and an rv so does that mean in your system we get 3 votes or will you ration it because my spouse and I pay for them?? People as arrogant as you need to realize and respect the value of all individuals in a society...even those you disagree with....

 

[JMann]

requested proof
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/01/2_ohio_vote_off.html

Still no proof of voter fraud. Found guilty of misconduct prior to a recount. You guys are claiming there is some huge conspiracy out there effecting the outcome of elections. You have no proof of it other than spouting your personal beliefs or crap from a website.

In this case of misconduct that you site: Ohio gave President Bush the electoral votes he needed to defeat Democratic Sen. John Kerry, but the special prosecutor did not allege that the workers' actions affected the outcome of the election.

 

[JMann]

Wow of all the arrogance...I guess no one who works hard for a living has a right to decide which individuals will make the call on where their tax dollars go?? How about the money scammed for social security that won't be there when they were promised to have the cash stolen from them returned??? Guess that no taxation without representation thing is just silly drivel....

For the record we own 2 houses and an rv so does that mean in your system we get 3 votes or will you ration it because my spouse and I pay for them?? People as arrogant as you need to realize and respect the value of all individuals in a society...even those you disagree with....

You are correct. Except they can't be taxed without the right to vote so they would be excluded from the income and social security tax. Of course, they would collect no social security.

 

[affa]

So you disagree with the founding fathers that there should be limits on who should have the right to vote?

An unfortunate goal of government tends to be to protect power. Limiting the voting population by any arbitrary factor necessarily changes the balance of power.

By limiting the vote to land owners, as you argue for, you essentially limit representative power to those who are already wealthy. You essentially have transformed a gov't by the people, for the people, to a gov't that is by the privileged, for the privileged.

As stated, I could just as arbitrarily create a spelling test and require people to pass it before voting. You would have failed for misspelling 'serf' as 'surf'. You lost your vote. This would, on the larger scale, disenfranchise anyone unfortunate enough to have gone to a school that didn't have a good spelling program.

Now, most of us can understand that a brilliant mathematician might be a bad speller, and to arbitrarily limit voting based on spelling ability is foolish. Likewise, any 'test for stupidity' would be ripe for misuse.

By the same token, your argument for land ownership is misguided and doesn't even deserve the amount of attention it's getting in this thread.

And yes, our founding fathers were wrong on a few counts. Slavery and voting rights come to mind.

 

[Jae0]

 

[dawnbt]

Yep you would be disqualified but you family can vote. No investment no stock in the country, no vote.

Wow, my ignore list is growing!

 

[rg123]

An outsiders view I came across a couple of weeks ago sheds some light.
Some good food for thought

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHf-zGunKKs

 

[dawnbt]

Question, if the machine can't read the ballot, WHY DOESN'T IT KICK IT OUT IMMEDIATELY?

Great question!!