So far the recount is showing discrepancies

[fuzzybekool]

Whether it changes the percentage Ron Paul gets or not. Diebold needs to be eliminated as we can all see. These electronic counting machines can not be trusted to accurately count votes.

 

[liberty_Forever]

Yes, paper ballots. I don't expect this to change Ron Paul's finish, but this electronic crap needs to go.

 

[pcosmar]

You are talking about votes I could count on my hands. Any time you count something more than once with human error intertwined you will get different numbers.

Marking ballots with ink pens DOES introduce a human element, and optical recognition is not going to be 100% accurate in that regard.

I thought we were smarter than this.

Just who are you shilling for?
Even ONE vote miscounted or uncounted is an injustice.
What has been shown in 1 county several votes are changed. There are a LOT more counties to go.
A vote here or there will be hundreds of votes in a hundred counties.
This is unacceptable.

 

[JMann]

What are you talking about!!! America doesn't even meet the international election standards WE impose on OTHER COUNTRIES.. Do you remember the vote fraud in Ohio in 2004? Or the 2000 election?

I don't think there was voter fraud in 2000 or 2004. I think there were loser that cried foul. There will alway be cry babies.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

maybe this will help start a story about diebold.

this is almost more important than who is running if you ask me.

 

[GJ-CO4RonPaul]

Personally I feel that only property owners should vote, so no I don't believe in one person one vote. If you don't have an investment in the country than you should remain a surf.

I rent my house, so therefore I am a surf!!!!? My family owns land but I do not. I am a college educated engineer and have researched this election more than 95% of the land owning general voting public. So I should not be allowed to vote!?

I disagree, for obvious reasons.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

I don't think there was voter fraud in 2000 or 2004. I think there were loser that cried foul. There will alway be cry babies.

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/17/harvey_wasserman_on_new_ohio_voting

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-30.htm

http://cascadians.tribe.net/thread/79f6979f-1a45-42b1-b8c7-fd654c500b7a

welcome to wrongville, population YOU!

 

[JMann]

I have to leave this thread because the stupidity is not tolerable.

 

[liberty_Forever]

Okay, fantastic, please leave k thx

Computer Programmer testifies that Tom Feeney (Speaker of the Houe of Florida at the time, currently US Representative representing MY district ) tried to pay him to rig election vote counts.

Court Testimony on Vote Fraud:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs

 

[JMann]

I rent my house, so therefore I am a surf!!!!? My family owns land but I do not. I am a college educated engineer and have researched this election more than 95% of the land owning general voting public. So I should not be allowed to vote!?

I disagree, for obvious reasons.

Yep you would be disqualified but you family can vote. No investment no stock in the country, no vote.

 

[jnpg]

I think the votes are being counted accurately when the voter follows directions. If the voter fails to complete the ballot as instructed the vote shouldn't count because it then requires a human to determine the intent of the voter. For example a bubble halfway filled in. The machine may not count it because it wasn't completed properly. You do a hand count and the human then gets to decide if a half filled in bubble means the person intended to vote for that person or if the person changed their mind and decided not to vote for the candidate. There is no perfect system but we are damn near it in America when compared to other places.

I used to think this too JMann- but I have since changed my mind. Just the fact that there are computers counting without any way to verify is enough. There is just too much chance for a hack. Surely you have seen 'Hacking Democracy'. I don't know if it happenned in NH or not- but we HAVE got to get this right. It is ridiculous that we don't have better methods of auditing the machines and the votes. I agree there will be some votes that cannot be counted as the voter failed to follow directions. However, that should be a very minor number and we should be able to audit those sorts of discrepancies. I find it completely unacceptable to have ANY machine/recount discrepancies. Several have suggested a receipt or other paper trail. I think this should have happened years ago. We are failing ourselves.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Sorry, I forgot to say..

Why can't we get two receipts with a (somewhat) random number on it and later be able to go check it on a public (Sec of State) web site. Drop one receipt in the ballot box for later confirmation and hand recounts.

You go look up the number on a list, see if your vote matches, if not you report it etc...

Everyone can take the data and make totals. Even make it a XML file so it's easy to check.

Now you can use Open Source software on the machines because everyone can check the results at the polls and at the end.

I've been thinking that for a while. Coming from someone who programs for a living, these machines are fucked up. The fact that the source code is NOT open source is a strong indicator right off the bat.

 

[RonPaulFTFW]

when you say the vote can't be rigged you're part of the problem. I don't see how any self respecting Ron Paul supporter, after seeing how they have lied, manipulated and distorted the truth on him, how you can still trust the system?


wake up.

Votes are worth dying for in my opinion.
It's not to be thrown away.

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

I live in Hillsborough County, Ward 5, and I know I voted for Paul, and I brought someone with me who said she was voting for Paul. so that's 2 out of the 3 votes in the Ward? There's a house down the street that has 2 huge Ron Paul signs out front. We're the only ones in our Ward who voted for him? It's possible, but I'll be going over there and asking him if he brought anyone to the polls with him.

 

[JMann]

http://www.democracynow.org/2007/12/17/harvey_wasserman_on_new_ohio_voting

welcome to wrongville, population YOU!

If Harvey says fraud the must of been fraud. No credibility when he says 'we saw the election stolen right in front of us.' In other words I lost so I will cry foul. Typical slime puked by liberals.

Change town name to Correctville, and no babies aloud.

 

[liberty_Forever]

There is tons of evidence Diebold is riddled with fraud.

 

[jnpg]

Good riddance

I have to leave this thread because the stupidity is not tolerable.

You are the intolerable one. So glad to see you go.

 

[DealzOnWheelz]

I have a basic idea

HOW BOUT WE GET A PIECE OF PAPER AND WRITE THE NAME OF THE CANDIDATE AND THEY ARE EACH COUNTED BY HAND 3x's by 3 different people WITH THE PUBLIC ABLE TO OVERSEE IF THEY CHOOSE TO

THERE PROBLEM FIXED

 

[Gimme Some Truth]

i don't care what any of you say, this recount is worth doing. these elections shouldn't be vague approximations of the totals. every vote should count and be counted accurately.

QFT

 

[DeanToPaulIn4Years]

I live in Hillsborough County, Ward 5, and I know I voted for Paul, and I brought someone with me who said she was voting for Paul. so that's 2 out of the 3 votes in the Ward? There's a house down the street that has 2 huge Ron Paul signs out front. We're the only ones in our Ward who voted for him? It's possible, but I'll be going over there and asking him if he brought anyone to the polls with him.

that's city of Manchester, Ward 5, in Hillsborough County of course