Rand Paul dismisses Ann Coulter on immigration

[Brett85]

It would also help if we stopped signing regressive fair tax pledges every election.

Ever hang out with rich people? The lot of them think they are God because they have money. So, I don't hate them but for that reason and out of envy a lot of people do. Crying about how they pay most of the taxes and trying to reduce what they pay doesn't win an election.

Rand's flat tax proposal should be popular since it exempts the first $50,000 of income.

 

[Brett85]

Yep, fighting tooth and nail to stop taxes being raised for the wealthy wasn't a good move either.

I don't think taxes should be raised at all but as tactical move it was really bad.

We should always fight against all tax increases, regardless of whether it's popular or not.

 

[eating_nachos]

It's obvious you aren't that in tune with the country's current political makeup. Immigration is a huge issue in the super close purple state of Florida, and their huge amount of electoral votes could easily make or break the 2016 general election.

Here's a link to the Florida exit polls. Please find my anything about illegal immigration. It seems to me the reason Obama won Florida was Obamcare not his stance on illegal immigration.



http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/FL/president#exit-polls

 

[BlackTerrel]

If it is ignored, it's a fail for Rand. He could have ignored the issue and it wouldn't even be an issue on 2016, because it's too late.

If it is part of it, it might be good or it might hurt him (like voting for the bailout hurts how other candidates look to us).

So, to me, it's just a horrible political calculation.

I don't know if you've looked at the demographics lately but Rand (or any other Republican) isn't winning the general without a decent percent of the Hispanic vote.

They're not getting the Jewish vote, the black vote... and unless you get 90% of the white vote (which they won't) they're screwed.

Rand is thinking general here. Not just primaries.

 

[abacabb]

Rand's flat tax proposal should be popular since it exempts the first $50,000 of income.

I agree, I love that plan.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

I agree, I love that plan.

And would need to have inflation (real inflation) applied.

 

[itshappening]

Here's a link to the Florida exit polls. Please find my anything about illegal immigration. It seems to me the reason Obama won Florida was Obamcare not his stance on illegal immigration.



http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/state/FL/president#exit-polls

Which is odd because FL has lots of seniors and Obama raided medicare to pay for Obamacare.

 

[itshappening]

I don't know if you've looked at the demographics lately but Rand (or any other Republican) isn't winning the general without a decent percent of the Hispanic vote.

They're not getting the Jewish vote, the black vote... and unless you get 90% of the white vote (which they won't) they're screwed.

Rand is thinking general here. Not just primaries.

The Muslim vote also now voting 80% for Obama when it voted 80% GOP in 2000, thanks for ruining that one Bush.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

Except that Ann Coulter and Limbaugh are actually right about this issue. It's beginning to look like this forum has started to blindly support Rand Paul.

 

[Giuliani was there on 911]

I don't know if you've looked at the demographics lately but Rand (or any other Republican) isn't winning the general without a decent percent of the Hispanic vote.

They're not getting the Jewish vote, the black vote... and unless you get 90% of the white vote (which they won't) they're screwed.

Rand is thinking general here. Not just primaries.

All they need is a majority of the White vote. Want to know how to do that ? Say you'll end affirmative action and get tough on all immigration, not just illegal immigration. If any Republican ran on that platform they would win in a landslide. Many working class democrats would vote Republican.

 

[angelatc]

How is it an error when most if not all of the front runners support some form of immigration reform?

It's an error because most of the base doesn't. If the economy was better, he could easily make the case that we needed workers. But I don't think that's the case.

 

[misean]

Except that Ann Coulter and Limbaugh are actually right about this issue. It's beginning to look like this forum has started to blindly support Rand Paul.

They're right? About what? Rand isn't proposing anything that should be remotely controversial to anyone. He should be proposing open borders and eliminating the welfare state, but since that won't pass, his proposal is good.

 

[jtstellar]

Bad move to be attacking the talking heads this early. He should be defending himself, not insulting their intelligence.*

*Yes, I know they lack intelligence, but we need to be making allies right now, not picking verbal battles.

you can't suck up to everybody like romney.. but you can't take on everybody either.. and rand isn't taking on everybody. the point is to know what you're doing, and he does, many in this movement do not.

 

[BlackTerrel]

All they need is a majority of the White vote. Want to know how to do that ? Say you'll end affirmative action and get tough on all immigration, not just illegal immigration. If any Republican ran on that platform they would win in a landslide. Many working class democrats would vote Republican.

If that's all they need to do to win how come no one does it?

It's a losing issue.

You're suffering confirmation bias thinking others think like you.

They don't. At least not enough to actually win anything.

Republicans would need to win something like 70-80% of the white vote. Which they won't.

 

[Coolidge/Dawes '24]

Meanwhile, a 3-to-1 margin of Hispanics say that they'd lean towards suffocating tax rates if it also meant cushier entitlement benefits, an expansion of the government dependency racket, more funding for Washington's marble-coated, bureaucratic castles and palaces, and the ever-forward march of the Messianic state.

And why wouldn't they?

Most of the parasites being imported from abroad either don't pay a single dime in estate, capital gains, or income taxes or are off the grid altogether. In other words, they've got not a lot of change to spare, chow down to their heart's delight at the buffet of taxpayer giveaways, or find ways to exploit loopholes as undocumented migrants in order to get their slice of the pie.

If you're wheeled into an emergency room, health care providers can't inquire into your citizenship status, and taxpayers are footing the bill for your overnight booking and X-Rays if you don't have insurance.

Even if you made a dash for it across open fields, burrowed under tunnels, and climbed the gates to get here, you can qualify for food stamps if you have anchor babies or eligible dependents in the household - and they can also get a free education on the public dime, their tuition reimbursed, and maybe even a low-income housing subsidy thrown into the mix.

If illegals are barred from leeching off taxpayers, why do so many voter-approved referendums that reassert precisely that get smacked down by the courts under the 14th amendment (which required a military junta pointing bayonets at the heads of recalcitrant Southerners as a prerequisite for ratification)?

Hispanics, as a whole, have few qualms with the unbridled mass murder of more than 2,000 infants every day in the womb - which, by the way, over a one-year period, is higher than the annual death toll for Jews exterminated in the Third Reich's genocidal onslaught. They have few qualms with the moral abomination that is same-sex marriage, as long as they can cash in at the welfare line.

Bush, who was one of the main spokesmen for opening up the floodgates at the border, only mustered up 40 percent of the Hispanic vote tops, and that was after he pivoted almost entirely to the Democratic side. McCain, too, suffered a bitter defeat at the polls. And Mitt Romney, for Heaven's sake, championed the same "guest worker" programs that Rand does - even going so far to say that engineering and science degrees for intellectually gifted illegals should be paper-clipped to a green card. He only garnered 20 percent of the Hispanic vote.

When are Republicans going to learn that Hispandering is the lost cause of the century, and that the only way to save themselves from their own demographic demise is to impose a strict immigration moratorium - something Rand Paul screamed from the mountaintops only three or four years ago, back in the days when he said we should have helicopter stations and electric minefields at the border?

Please don't sell out on us, Rand. You have everything to lose by doing so. Put this site on your RSS feed, crack those knuckles, and start studying like a madman.

 

[matt0611]

It's an error because most of the base doesn't. If the economy was better, he could easily make the case that we needed workers. But I don't think that's the case.

Some sectors DO need workers though. If we didn't need workers then people wouldn't be coming here to work.

Unless you want to round up all 11 million illegals I can't see how anyone would have a problem with Rand's plan.

 

[cero]

Meanwhile, a 3-to-1 margin of Hispanics say that they'd lean towards suffocating tax rates if it also meant cushier entitlement benefits, an expansion of the government dependency racket, more funding for Washington's marble-coated, bureaucratic castles and palaces, and the ever-forward march of the Messianic state.

And why wouldn't they?

Most of the parasites being imported from abroad either don't pay a single dime in estate, capital gains, or income taxes or are off the grid altogether. In other words, they've got not a lot of change to spare, chow down to their heart's delight at the buffet of taxpayer giveaways, or find ways to exploit loopholes as undocumented migrants in order to get their slice of the pie.

If you're wheeled into an emergency room, health care providers can't inquire into your citizenship status, and taxpayers are footing the bill for your overnight booking and X-Rays if you don't have insurance.

Even if you made a dash for it across open fields, burrowed under tunnels, and climbed the gates to get here, you can qualify for food stamps if you have anchor babies or eligible dependents in the household - and they can also get a free education on the public dime, their tuition reimbursed, and maybe even a low-income housing subsidy thrown into the mix.

If illegals are barred from leeching off taxpayers, why do so many voter-approved referendums that reassert precisely that get smacked down by the courts under the 14th amendment (which required a military junta pointing bayonets at the heads of recalcitrant Southerners as a prerequisite for ratification)?

Hispanics, as a whole, have few qualms with the unbridled mass murder of more than 2,000 infants every day in the womb - which, by the way, over a one-year period, is higher than the annual death toll for Jews exterminated in the Third Reich's genocidal onslaught. They have few qualms with the moral abomination that is same-sex marriage, as long as they can cash in at the welfare line.

Bush, who was one of the main spokesmen for opening up the floodgates at the border, only mustered up 40 percent of the Hispanic vote tops, and that was after he pivoted almost entirely to the Democratic side. McCain, too, suffered a bitter defeat at the polls. And Mitt Romney, for Heaven's sake, championed the same "guest worker" programs that Rand does - even going so far to say that engineering and science degrees for intellectually gifted illegals should be paper-clipped to a green card. He only garnered 20 percent of the Hispanic vote.

When are Republicans going to learn that Hispandering is the lost cause of the century, and that the only way to save themselves from their own demographic demise is to impose a strict immigration moratorium - something Rand Paul screamed from the mountaintops only three or four years ago, back in the days when he said we should have helicopter stations and electric minefields at the border?

Please don't sell out on us, Rand. You have everything to lose by doing so. Put this site on your RSS feed, crack those knuckles, and start studying like a madman.

I was still following you till the whole parasite thing why you had to go xenophobe on us? let me remind you of something Milton Friedman said, that Rand likes to quote: "You can't have open borders in a welfare state", as long as we don't fix that we wont fix the prob.
And FYI that has been in place LONG LONG before, the parasites began to "burrow under tunnels, and climb gates to get here"

also smells like copy pasta but 10/10 for getting me to respond

 

[dinosaur]

Except that Ann Coulter and Limbaugh are actually right about this issue. It's beginning to look like this forum has started to blindly support Rand Paul.

Coulter and Limbaugh supported Bush. Because of people like Bush, we now have a balkanization problem to solve. Coulter and Rush want to put their head in the sand and pretend that it is still the 1980s, and that we still have the luxury of preventing illegal immigration by merely enforcing the laws. But the immigrants are already here, and they have loyalties to their former coutries that do affect the way that they vote. In a way they are "right", but their solution is the solution of an era that has passed. And they should not criticize Rand for dealing with reality, a reality they helped to create.

 

[affa]

Running Santorum would be the final nail in the Republican coffin. He's worse than McCain and Romney put together.

Citizenship -- the sooner Republicans figure out that that majority of people in this country have no interest in deporting their friends, coworkers, and employees (and destroying families in the process) the better. I realize many have a knee jerk reaction to the words 'illegal immigrant' but the fact is, they're here and as Rand points out, they're here to stay. More importantly, regardless of whether some like it or not, they're made a place for themselves both in our society and our economy. So let's deal with that sanely and reasonably, especially when not doing so only pushes away voters and further paints the Republican party as 'out of touch' or worse.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

Talk about confirmation bias. Just because you want badly to deport illegal immigrants does not make it popular opinion. Sorry.

h ttp://www.brookings.edu/research/reports/2013/03/21-immigration-survey-jones-dionne-galston

45% of Americans say the Republican parties position on immigration has hurt them in recent elections.

More than 6-in-10 (63%) Americans agree that the immigration system should deal with immigrants who are currently living in the U.S. illegally by allowing them a way to become citizens, provided they meet certain requirements. Less than 1-in-5 (14%) say they should be permitted to become permanent legal residents but not citizens, while approximately 1-in-5 (21%) agree that they should be identified and deported.

More than 7-in-10 (71%) Democrats, nearly two-thirds (64%) of independents, and a majority (53%) of Republicans favor an earned path to citizenship