NY middle school sex ed class gone wild

[angelatc]

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

Again, with the collectivism and social engineering. Go explore any fool thing you want with your kids. Leave mine out of it.

 

[Henry Rogue]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99

But it's for the children. Those abusive, neglectful, exploitative bastards.

 

[dannno]

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

Ya, their parents are a good source for that.

But inevitably they are going to hear it from their peers and older siblings.

I'm against public schooling, I'm just trying to be realistic about the city kids who were in that room vs. how human sexuality is taught in college. Middle school kids from urban and suburban areas are generally very sexually charged in their language but bending in a different direction. They are more likely to call their peers derogatory terms like fag and such and also be more hateful and vulgar in their language. I knew a kid in middle school who they made fun of and called 'The Whipper', as in S&M, for no good reason that I knew of and wrote comic books about the character. So for these college students to come in and say, hey, you know what, if you have those feelings and you think you are gay then that is ok and if not then maybe you should be more tolerant of them. Honestly, that is a good message for those kids... NOT because it encourages kids with those feelings to be gay, but because it helps prevent the other kids from using that as leverage against their character, whether the person has those feelings or they are portrayed that way by the bully.

The hate and violence and anger and depression that stems from kids hating on each other at that age while they are confused and going through their own sexual development is a much better behavior to help stave off than the few kids who actually do have strong feelings for members of their own sex, who are inevitably going to choose their path in that regard at some point, they don't need to be treated like shit in the mean time.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Children don't "become" gay anymore than you "became" straight. If this ^ is what you think, I believe you could benefit from a class like this.

Alright, pucker up big boy.

 

[dannno]

What in the shit is pansexual? Sexual attraction to everything? bestiality?

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First you have to understand the difference between gender and sex. Sex is your genitals and gender is masculine and feminine qualities.

Some people are male, but they have a lot of feminine qualities which makes them more gender neutral, or even feminine gender. Some women have a lot of masculine qualities. Some have even more - so they are either gender neutral or more masculine.

Some lesbians are attracted to feminine females, others are attracted to masculine females.

Some bisexual males are attracted to feminine males and perhaps both gender neutral and feminine females.

Some men are attracted to feminine females, some men are attracted to more gender neutral or females with more masculine qualities.

It's all a matter of sexual preference.

Pansexuals are attracted, potentially, to both men and women, men who are masculine, feminine, or more gender neutral, women who are masculine, feminine or more gender neutral.

It has nothing to do with bestiality.

 

[dannno]

All pansexual means is that someone is so horny they'll fuck anything.

No, that's not true at all. A pansexual might only be attracted to really attractive people, or hippie/newage type people, but don't care about their gender or sex. Or maybe they are attracted to tall people, or short people, or surfers or who knows.. they may very well be picky about a lot of things regarding their sexual partners, but gender and sex is not one of their primary concerns.

 

[Origanalist]

First you have to understand the difference between gender and sex. Sex is your genitals and gender is masculine and feminine qualities.

Some people are male, but they have a lot of feminine qualities which makes them more gender neutral, or even feminine gender. Some women have a lot of masculine qualities. Some have even more - so they are either gender neutral or more masculine.

Some lesbians are attracted to feminine females, others are attracted to masculine females.

Some bisexual males are attracted to feminine males and perhaps both gender neutral and feminine females.

Some men are attracted to feminine females, some men are attracted to more gender neutral or females with more masculine qualities.

It's all a matter of sexual preference.

Pansexuals are attracted, potentially, to both men and women, men who are masculine, feminine, or more gender neutral, women who are masculine, feminine or more gender neutral.

It has nothing to do with bestiality.

Oh tthtoppp it, you're making my head spin.

 

[dannno]

Okay, and when the cops 'ask' you to assume the position, and you don't... what usually happens? Homosexuals don't need your pity, they don't need you as an advocate, and they certainly don't need the flack they will catch for being associated with shit like this. Then maybe I will understand, shaking my FUCKING head. Do you always assume? Help me understand... you know what, fuck off. How about the 'straight' kids, wouldn't such an exercise affect their lives?

I'm pretty sure these kids were not forced to participate in the exercise. And no, straight kids would not be affected by this exercise at all, except it might make them act more nice toward gay peers, or not call their straight peer gay and try and bully them and try to ruin their life over it. But one thing it won't do is turn them gay.

If you really think that gay people are not harassed pretty much universally at this age, I don't know what planet you live on.

 

[jmdrake]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

Ummmm....WTF? The OP wasn't complaining about "terminology" (well with the exception of "slut" I suppose). Really, you want your son learning about "slut spotting"? I would think most feminists would be against this as well. That's probably why they threw a little "lesbian kissing" in there, to appease the feminazis. Don't trivialize the issue or attack parents for being justifiably incensed.

 

[jmdrake]

I'm pretty sure these kids were not forced to participate in the exercise. And no, straight kids would not be affected by this exercise at all, except it might make them act more nice toward gay peers, or not call their straight peer gay and try and bully them and try to ruin their life over it. But one thing it won't do is turn them gay.

If you really think that gay people are not harassed pretty much universally at this age, I don't know what planet you live on.

 

[jmdrake]

Children don't "become" gay anymore than you "became" straight. If this ^ is what you think, I believe you could benefit from a class like this.

You don't know what you're talking about. http://queerbychoice.com http://www.bilerico.com/2009/05/apa_admits_no_gay_gene_-_really.php

 

[dannno]

Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay. It's gotten to the point they're not just being taught "Don't tease someone if they are attracted to the same gender," but are actually ENCOURAGED To be homosexuals, as per article saying girls were encouraged to kiss each other. I wonder why the boys weren't asked to too, huh? Maybe the people giving the presentation only get off to underage girls, fucking disgusting.

Are you scared that you might be gay or bi?

I had such strong desires for girls when I was in middle school, there is no way in hell that being bi or gay is something I would have been confused about or led toward. I don't understand why people think that you can just brainwash somebody into having different sexual preferences, they seem to be pretty engrained to me. That's what gay people I've known have always told me about their sexual desires (because growing up religious I was curious and asked), and I had the same experience, just in the opposite direction.

 

[dannno]

You don't know what you're talking about. http://queerbychoice.com http://www.bilerico.com/2009/05/apa_admits_no_gay_gene_-_really.php

Again, those are all bisexuals who have decided, for whatever reason, to switch to the opposite sex. Of course it is their 'choice', they are bi, that's the entire point of being bi. You are attracted to both sexes. Not everybody is bi. I'm not bi.

If they were gay, they wouldn't be attracted to members of the opposite sex and they wouldn't be able to switch.

 

[angelatc]

First you have to understand the difference between gender and sex. Sex is your genitals and gender is masculine and feminine qualities.

Some people are male, but they have a lot of feminine qualities which makes them more gender neutral, or even feminine gender. Some women have a lot of masculine qualities. Some have even more - so they are either gender neutral or more masculine.

Some lesbians are attracted to feminine females, others are attracted to masculine females.

Some bisexual males are attracted to feminine males and perhaps both gender neutral and feminine females.

Some men are attracted to feminine females, some men are attracted to more gender neutral or females with more masculine qualities.

It's all a matter of sexual preference.

Pansexuals are attracted, potentially, to both men and women, men who are masculine, feminine, or more gender neutral, women who are masculine, feminine or more gender neutral.

It has nothing to do with bestiality.

Sounds like an attempt to normalize the freaks. Just give it a name, and teach it in schools. There! Everybody is a pervert, so it's all ok. Now, close your eyes and just let it happen.

 

[tttppp]

Wtf? No lesbian or sluts left behind. Is this really what schools have turned into?

http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/school-forces-all-girls-to-lesbian-kiss/#xZumhmDvdtc7qxWx.99

Where were these classes when I went to school?

 

[angelatc]

I'm pretty sure these kids were not forced to participate in the exercise. And no, straight kids would not be affected by this exercise at all, except it might make them act more nice toward gay peers, or not call their straight peer gay and try and bully them and try to ruin their life over it. But one thing it won't do is turn them gay.

If you really think that gay people are not harassed pretty much universally at this age, I don't know what planet you live on.

I live in a small town in the midwest, where we're the oddballs for not having a church. Nobody singles the gays out - everybody is persecuted in Middle School. But the gay kids apparently cry harder. Go figure.

My kids both seem to know who the queers are in their school. (Apparently mascara helps.) And they hang with people who are like them, ignoring the rest. Some things never change.

This forced socialization crap is like herding cattle into a pen.

 

[Origanalist]

What about the grandsexuals? Shouldn't kiddies who are attracted to octogenarians be included as well?

 

[jmdrake]

Again, those are all bisexuals who have decided, for whatever reason, to switch to the opposite sex. Of course it is their 'choice', they are bi, that's the entire point of being bi. You are attracted to both sexes. Not everybody is bi. I'm not bi.

If they were gay, they wouldn't be attracted to members of the opposite sex and they wouldn't be able to switch.

Again, you ignored the second link. The APA has said straight up that there is no conclusive evidence as to what determines sexuality. So it's unscientific (and dishonest at this point) for you to pretend it's a settled issue. We do know for a fact that children who are molested tend to have screwed up sexuality later in life. It's a complex issue.

 

[tttppp]

College students were teaching it? That explains it.

That explains the part about spotting sluts.

 

[dannno]

Ummmm....WTF? The OP wasn't complaining about "terminology" (well with the exception of "slut" I suppose). Really, you want your son learning about "slut spotting"? I would think most feminists would be against this as well. That's probably why they threw a little "lesbian kissing" in there, to appease the feminazis. Don't trivialize the issue or attack parents for being justifiably incensed.

The article in the OP completely mis-represented the exercises, which I had a feeling of from the beginning, but I couldn't pin down what those exercises were exactly.

Thanks to some other posts in the thread which have clarified this topic for me, I have figured out that:

1) The lesbian kissing exercise did not include kissing, just asking, and was to show them how much more uncomfortable it is for gay people than straight people so they may learn to have some level of compassion for people who don't have the same sexual attractions that they do. Maybe their life is already hard enough and maybe they shouldn't try and make it harder by treating them like shit or shunning them.

2) The slut-spotting exercise was in fact to show that just because girls dress or act a certain way doesn't necessarily mean they want to have sex, or that they have a lot of sex. This is important for young men to know to help prevent incidents like Steubensville rape, no?

The word slut is a derogatory term that shouldn't be used and girls who wish to should be able to choose to engage in sexual relationships without being treated like shit or shunned by their peers, especially to point out the double standard that exists with boys.