NY middle school sex ed class gone wild

[DamianTV]

What is taught in schools needs to be decided by the Parents and the Teachers, not the Guvmint.

Abolish the Dept of Education.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?

Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay. It's gotten to the point they're not just being taught "Don't tease someone if they are attracted to the same gender," but are actually ENCOURAGED To be homosexuals, as per article saying girls were encouraged to kiss each other. I wonder why the boys weren't asked to too, huh? Maybe the people giving the presentation only get off to underage girls, fucking disgusting.

 

[osan]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

You are so very clearly the product of such a generation.

First of all, it is not just terminology. Words have effect, which is why they are so damned important. This is especially so with children because they do not yet possess the biologically developmental capacities nor the life experience to put terminology in its proper perspective. I was a public school teacher in NYC for about 3 years and I can tell you without equivocation that the words you use matter, as does the manner in which those words are employed.

The bottom line is this: children are not being merely taught to be tolerant of homosexuality, they are being very actively encouraged to go that route. The indoctrination is for most subtle (only because they are intellectually lazy and more interested in what's happening on TV than in their child's life), but for anyone with even a single nominally functional brain cell it is very readily apparent what is happening.

Whether it is OK for children to be taught even the terminologies is a parental decision and not one for the Boards of "Education". Why? Precisely because this is a highly personal sort of matter. OTOH, the rest of the content should be determined based on parental choices as well. But the parents let the monster in the house and now they complain about not wanting it there. To hell with them because this could have been stopped long ago and nobody cared enough to life a finger. It isn't my kids being turned queer so I really am not that concerned with it. Having a child who flames and floats from age 5 is one thing and might not be avoidable, but to have him purposed turned that way through indoctrination is criminal and I'd not tolerate it for the least moment.

As for your normative assertion about shame, that is not your call to make for other people. You display the mindset of the well intending tyrant, thinking you know what is best for others. A 14 year old having sex in THIS culture of prolonged childhood is not acceptable to many and it is not your place to say otherwise for them. I would not allow you anywhere near my children and would break your jaw in several places were I to have caught you attempting to communicate with them in any manner. THAT is how I feel about the sort of thinking your words embody. Lucky for everyone, my girls are young adults, one married, both very heterosexual, and far away from the likes of you. I also endowed them with the mental abilities to kick people like you in the psychological balls and toss them to the curb.

You have a choice here: change for the wiser or remain a putz. You don't know shit and have a long, long way to go before your opinions are worth more than half of that.

 

[osan]

I personally wouldn't recommend 1st world parents allow their kids to do that. (unless we're dealing with a society in which adolescents are raised to make adult decisions at 12-13...but the US ain't one of them, except in certain corners of the woods)

My paternal grandma was a real-deal, no-shit baroness. She was born in 1901, was married at 15, bore my uncle at 16 and so forth. By that age she was running a household with servants, entertaining other aristocrats, and was more capable in many ways than a typical American at 40. She was smart as the devil, had a wild and often raunchy sense of humor, was kind and generous to a fault, could be very clever in getting what she needed in the face of those who would see her murdered (post-war communists), and died with knowledge most adult Americans are too stoopid to realize they should regret with bitterness not having.

Your point about how they are raised is well taken and precisely on the money. Children in the USA are raised mainly to be lifelong imbeciles, especially in the area of emotional development. This renders them compliant and that is what Theye want, of course. My girls avoided this because it was circumvented at every turn. They attended French schools in Abu Dhabi as children and private schools in the USA. They spent but 3 years in public schools because I did not have the $$ to send them to privates at that time. They got through things OK and when school bullshit came up they always came to me with questions and I set them right when they were unsure. I did, in fact, defeat Themm where my girls are concerned and I wear it as a badge of honor.

 

[osan]

Right, what they need is a "mature" voice to instruct them and "guide" them. Right danno?

Yeah, with an erection or soaking wet loins under their garments as they say, "trust me".

Said the spider to the fly.

Sheesh.

 

[V3n]

Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay. It's gotten to the point they're not just being taught "Don't tease someone if they are attracted to the same gender," but are actually ENCOURAGED To be homosexuals, as per article saying girls were encouraged to kiss each other. I wonder why the boys weren't asked to too, huh? Maybe the people giving the presentation only get off to underage girls, fucking disgusting.

Children don't "become" gay anymore than you "became" straight. If this ^ is what you think, I believe you could benefit from a class like this.

 

[osan]

Here, let me throw some cold water on that whole lesbian kissing thing:

Oh GOD.... my retinas... they burn!


AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..........

 

[asurfaholic]

Sheesh. Sex Ed... That "class" has no place in schools. Parents who are too irresponsible to teach these personal topics to their own children are the filth of the nation.

No, any asshole who thinks its ok for some other asshole to teach someone else's (barely) teenaged children that it is ok to have sex, or even more disturbing, that it is ok to disobey their parents is an enemy to liberty and parental responsibility.

Braane, I don't know if you realize this, but a parent actually is responsible for raising their child into adulthood. Just because a body is fully developed doesnt mean they are ready to start reproducing and taking on the responsibilities of possible parenthood. Or possible disease. What 14 year old needs to contract a STD? You do realize the parents will have o be responsible for paying for treatment, right? So knowing this, as a parent, FUCK Anyone who thinks that its ok for my little girl to disregard the proper morals I taught her.

I didnt have sex with anyone until i married my wife at 24. That is so rare these days that people can't contain their looks of disbelief when they hear it. That's a shame. Not that I care what other people do in their bedrooms, cause i don't, but I entered into a morally responsible relationship and i am reaping the rewards of such, and fully intend to teach my daughter the same.

Homeschooling is definitely the solution to the public indoctrination crime that is school today, but I may not realistically be able to avoid putting her in school, so what I teach at home has to be bigger than the peer pressure she will face. I don't want to be competing with an actual class that by design contradicts every moral i have tried to instill in my little one. Sex Ed does not belong in school. Teen pregnancies are a tragedy, and can throw a young person's life into a world of responsibility they are not ready to handle yet.

 

[angelatc]

The mind reels.

I'd take a trip to hell and hire satan as my lawyer and get as many parents as I could to go for a class action against the school.

Bullshit. School boards are run by elections. This calls for an immediate recall. Somewhere in that irate crowd there's a soccer Mom with a mean streak suited for politics.

 

[angelatc]

Understanding people with different sexual desires has no business in school curriculum?
Teaching young ladies how not to project themselves as "young sluts" has no business in school curriculum?
Or being honest about teen pregnancy rates has no business in school curriculum?

I'm not sure to which you are referring. Before we get on bad terms, could you please clarify?

I'd say all of the above. Social engineering isn't on the list of things schools are supposed to accomplish. Well, not the official list, anyway.

 

[angelatc]

I remember middle school well, and believe me, this was more than likely NOT an introduction to this terminology. The kids are no worse for wear. If the parents have a problem with it they should have sent their kids to private school (or home school).

As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality. I'm not condoning having them attempt to kiss each other, but sexual terminology is OK to know. I am assuming that these kids were 12-14. A 14 year old having sex is perfectly acceptable. There is a reason humans develop at that age, if they weren't supposed to have sex then they wouldn't develop yet. Any parental opinion saying otherwise, frankly, is wrong.

Right here, people. These are the people running the school boards. "The kids are no worse for the wear" even though at least one of them was in tears at the prospect of being bullied and harassed because she was forced to roleplay.

But no matter - she's just the individual. Because "As a culture we should be less ashamed of sexuality....." these programs are for the greater good, don't you see?

Here's what I see: Social engineering.

 

[newbitech]

Middle school is a lot different than in my day. What happened to the bible history classes? Seems they have been replaced with the forced lesbian classes...

yeah, didn't have to "teach" us this stuff!

 

[braane]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I am NOT wrong to expect my 15 year old daughter to not have sex at her age... nor is it "perfectly acceptable" for her to do so.

I do hope you are a minor yourself, otherwise your comment is a little pedo-ish, and that worries me.
Let children be children. Allow them some innocence. Don't think because the little girl down the road grew some boobies, she's read for perversions. Jesus. ::sigh::

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

 

[Wooden Indian]

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

Mental ramifications are the only arguments to be made? I suppose STDs do not exist. And we all know that 14 year olds are responsible enough to use condoms everytime they engage in a sex act. Most aren't responsible enough to take out the trash without 15 reminders.

And let's say there are no STDs, let us assume we live in a World without such diseases... who takes care of the children's children? Does the young mother take care of her child while she's at school getting her education? Perhaps she just takes the kid along since they're so close in age, they can attend the same classes. That might work.

What about the father? Shall the father drop out of school, and take on a career position as a busboy or a grocery bagger? Give up on all of his hopes, dreams, and potential simply because nature let his lil willy get hard? It's only natural right? Forget the fact that babies younger than 6 months old get erections. Obviously their bodies are ready to start layin' the ol pipe, eh?

This is not even getting into the financial adpects of who ends up paying for these children of children. Guess who gets to float the welfare bill, pay for doctor check ups, food, housing.... us, my friend. We do. So the "mental ramifications" argument is far from the only one to be made. It is a HUGE argument, but I can argue against 14 year old sex without even listing it.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

and boys learned how to spot young sluts

Now that's a useful lifelong skill right there, whether you want to find them or avoid them.

Kids aren't meant to go to school to become gay. They're highly impressionable and all this pro gay education will start making everybody think they're gay.

I'm 100% certain even insane amounts of "pro gay education" would not have made me think I was gay. Honestly, I don't think it's a school class topic at all.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I think that my comments were slightly misconstrued. When I said it was ok, I meant (obviously) among their own age group. At that age, you aren't a child anymore. One of the problems is parents want to cling to their children's innocence rather than let them be who they want. We can debate the mental ramifications of having sex at 14 (which is the only real argument against it), but there is no denying nature. If we were supposed to start exploring sex at 18 we would develop them.

The strange social conservative phenomena in America eludes me.

I'm not conservative at all. I just have the common sense to know that juveniles at this point in history are not mature enough to make sensible decisions about this. There was a time when people were raised to be practically adults by the teen years, but that doesn't happen anymore except in very rare instances.

Then there's the obvious liability of the parent of a minor. Trust me, you don't want to be the parent and guardian of a minor child with a child of his/her own that was born because the kid was horny and irresponsible. I have a cousin who got knocked up in high school, and she still hasn't really grown up.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Mental ramifications are the only arguments to be made? I suppose STDs do not exist. And we all know that 14 year olds are responsible enough to use condoms everytime they engage in a sex act. Most aren't responsible enough to take out the trash without 15 reminders.

And let's say there are no STDs, let us assume we live in a World without such diseases... who takes care of the children's children? Does the young mother take care of her child while she's at school getting her education? Perhaps she just takes the kid along since they're so close in age, they can attend the same classes. That might work.

What about the father? Shall the father drop out of school, and take on a career position as a busboy or a grocery bagger? Give up on all of his hopes, dreams, and potential simply because nature let his lil willy get hard? It's only natural right? Forget the fact that babies younger than 6 months old get erections. Obviously their bodies are ready to start layin' the ol pipe, eh?

This is not even getting into the financial adpects of who ends up paying for these children of children. Guess who gets to float the welfare bill, pay for doctor check ups, food, housing.... us, my friend. We do. So the "mental ramifications" argument is far from the only one to be made. It is a HUGE argument, but I can argue against 14 year old sex without even listing it.

+rep

 

[braane]

Mental ramifications are the only arguments to be made? I suppose STDs do not exist. And we all know that 14 year olds are responsible enough to use condoms everytime they engage in a sex act. Most aren't responsible enough to take out the trash without 15 reminders.

And let's say there are no STDs, let us assume we live in a World without such diseases... who takes care of the children's children? Does the young mother take care of her child while she's at school getting her education? Perhaps she just takes the kid along since they're so close in age, they can attend the same classes. That might work.

What about the father? Shall the father drop out of school, and take on a career position as a busboy or a grocery bagger? Give up on all of his hopes, dreams, and potential simply because nature let his lil willy get hard? It's only natural right? Forget the fact that babies younger than 6 months old get erections. Obviously their bodies are ready to start layin' the ol pipe, eh?

This is not even getting into the financial adpects of who ends up paying for these children of children. Guess who gets to float the welfare bill, pay for doctor check ups, food, housing.... us, my friend. We do. So the "mental ramifications" argument is far from the only one to be made. It is a HUGE argument, but I can argue against 14 year old sex without even listing it.

Firstly, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. My original comment was disrespectful and for that I do apologize.

Admittedly STIs didn't really cross my mind. Obviously reproduction did, but I base my belief in that off nature. Humans made early reproduction work for thousands of years before modern medicine, when life expectancy was less than 30.

Before we end up further into a debate about nature vs nurture, which would inevitably end up at religion, I will bow out.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Here we have an excellent example of a symptom of the problem, rather than the problem itself. And the outrage in this thread illustrates the disconnect between so-called modern, mostly western, first-world civilization and how humans lived happily and fruitfully before the social and cultural engineering began (some call it "progress") - i.e. bad food, bad water, break-down of family and community, creation of governments, boundaries and nation-states, disintegration of moral values, secularization, etc. It's been going on for centuries, if not millennia.

While I donate and support fighting the good fight, I believe nothing will really change without a zombie apocalypse.... Clean the slate, clear the wreckage, let the planet heal, and start again. Or not.

 

[asurfaholic]

Firstly, I am sorry if I have offended anyone, that wasn't my intention. My original comment was disrespectful and for that I do apologize.

Admittedly STIs didn't really cross my mind. Obviously reproduction did, but I base my belief in that off nature. Humans made early reproduction work for thousands of years before modern medicine, when life expectancy was less than 30.

Before we end up further into a debate about nature vs nurture, which would inevitably end up at religion, I will bow out.

Not going the religious route either, reproductive systems in a girl are already functioning before they exit the womb. The nature argument just doesn't work.