Must Libertarians Believe in Open Borders?

[erowe1]

You don't want a nation at all!!!!!

Says who?

I don't want a state at all. I've never said or implied that I didn't want a nation.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

I don't. I want freedom. Commie enclaves always support strict immigration restriction. They're where you got the idea from.

So you want freedom, but not the burden of protecting it? Well might as well out on your chains.

Yeah, screaming "commies support immigration restriction" does not make an argument.

 

[erowe1]

You don't want a country at all.

Can you quote where I said that?

You keep conflating the federal government with the country. You can't even conceive of the one without the other.

 

[Natural Citizen]

No, I know some of you don't. And in my opinion, that puts you in the same bucket as the globalist traitors who are doing everything in their power to bring the country down.

Eeeeeeeeeyep. I've concluded that there are times when "libertarians" demonstrate themselves to be equally as tyrannical as the government tyrants themselves.

 

[erowe1]

So you want freedom, but not the burden of protecting it?

Protecting it is what I'm doing when I explain to you why you should change your views and start supporting freedom.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

You lie on so many fronts. Number one, I never said I was for "closed" borders. I want legal immigration and plenty of travel.

Both Ron and Rand have stated numerous times that they are not for open borders in any way while the welfare state exists. Lew has said same. Ron Paul has also stressed his belief in national sovereignty; something you hate.

So, go spread your lies elsewhere, erowe. I've had your number for a very long time.

Hey lets not go nuts on legal immigration.

 

[Cabal]

You can't even conceive of the one without the other.

She might hurt herself in the process. Brain probably isn't used to such exercise.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

So don't import them. Just leave people alone to be able to come here on their own without being imported.

The left allows them to immigrate. How about we do not allow them to come as we are all better off for it.

 

[Brett85]

A better question would be, "can you be a libertarian and support open borders?"

http://www.fairus.org/publications/...llegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Oh good. Then you're for open borders. Open and closed are the only options.

Now which one of those two were you saying Ron Paul supported again?

Just to be clear, when you bring up Ron Paul's policy prescriptions; he is against regulating who people can and cannot hire and rent out or sell property to. He is against deporting people. He is against Social Security Cards and other national ID. He is against E-Verify. He is against a wall at the border. He is against every possible means of effectively restricting immigration. I agree with him in all of those points. Do you? Yes or no?

So not secure? Just closed, nothing in between? People wonder why Libertarians are accused of having autism. How did we get national IDs again? How? Like What caused just an idea to become law again? What was it, and who caused it and how did they come into the nation again?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

So?



I don't even know wtf you're trying to say here.



So, you're not a fan of the idea that other people can rule over and impose on you via the State through voting? Me neither.
Congratulations on finding a reason to reject statism.

And do those means include the State?

Not a fan, but if I have to I will rule over others as to prevent them from ruling over me.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

A better question would be, "can you be a libertarian and support open borders?"

http://www.fairus.org/publications/...llegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Oh NO! FACTS!, RUN FOR YOUR FALLACIES, ALL HOPE IS LOST!

 

[otherone]

A better question would be, "can you be a libertarian and support open borders?"

http://www.fairus.org/publications/...llegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.

Anti-federalism ftw.
Education is not a Right. Let the states decide if they want to be bled dry.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Protecting it is what I'm doing when I explain to you why you should change your views and start supporting freedom.

Allowing in people that will vote against, and will vote away your rights and wealth, destroying your culture and reducing you to a cuckolded minority is not freedom, that is suicide if you want to commit that, please shoot yourself but the moment you try and take other with you, that becomes murder and you will be dealt with...Harshly,

 

[Cabal]

How about we do not allow them to come as we are all better off for it.

How about you do not impose your views by way of violence on anyone else.

 

[otherone]

Allowing in people that will vote against, and will vote away your rights and wealth, destroying your culture and reducing you to a cuckolded minority is not freedom, that is suicide if you want to commit that, please shoot yourself but the moment you try and take other with you, that becomes murder and you will be dealt with...Harshly,

Why must they be allowed to vote?

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Anti-federalism ftw.
Education is not a Right. Let the states decide if they want to be bled dry.

Well tell that to courts/feds as they do what ever they want and we have no power to stop them, that might change but it will not if we are outvoted by 3rd world welfare hordes who get "free" stuff.

Now you understand how mass immigration harms us.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

Why must they be allowed to vote?

Because the left needs uneducated, Low IQed, No info voters that will sell out the nation for "free" stuff. They will do anything for more voters.

Also that mistake called the 14th Amendment.

 

[Cabal]

I will rule over others as to prevent them from ruling over me.

You have no right to rule over anyone.

 

[AmericanSpartan]

How about you do not impose your views by way of violence on anyone else.

If we do not impose ours on their they will do the same to us, Trust me its better this way.

Do not come here, if you do you will be at best deported, no trial, no judge, nothing on the plane you go, and at worse you might die.

You would rather fall on your sword then defend yourself with it, that is why people like you do not matter in the long run.