it's time to start thinking 3rd party run

[MayTheRonBeWithYou]

If Ron isn't winning now what difference does a 3rd party do?

90% of Americans have never heard of Ron Paul. Not only that, but the GOP was the worst possible party to be running in, since Ron is antiwar and pro-freedom, two ideas that make him like a disease to the GOP.

Once we leave the GOP, Ron can start running anti-war ads, and truly unleash his message.

Also, if it comes down to McPain and Hitlery, Ron picks up millions and millions of antiwar and anti-illegal voters. We might even pick up a lot of hardcore conservatives, because they will never vote for McShame.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

We're still gaining supporters, the message still has not reached many people.

It's all about the message, not the ultimate result.

We have only been exposed to small percentage of Republican voters. Most people do not know us and that includes many Republicans and most Independents that I meet. I'm suprised we do as well as we do in these primaries since the GOP really seems to dispise us.

Most Independents that I know are conservative on finances but open to a plethora of social freedoms. They would love Ron Paul's message of states rights and his consistent stance against Iraq.

With McCain vs. Clinton, we would be the only real anti-war canidate from day one.

 

[colecrowe]

200,000 precinct captains, infomercials, and a 25 million dollar Independence Day money bomb!

 

[Jimmy2e]

Guys I Think I have A Very Simple Answer To Both Sides Of This Argument.

Support Ron Paul And Let Him Make His Own Choice.

If he runs 3rd party then hell we will all be along for the ride and be there for him, if he keeps going as a republican hell lets give it our best and show we aren't faux support, and if he drops out lets keep the ideas alive and prepare for 2012 when the world will finally here the voice of freedom, prosperity, and reason.

 

[virginiakid]

No 3rd Party. Independent? Maybe.

 

[virginiakid]

BTW, this is a movement. Ron Paul helped us get a movement started. We need to support each other in our runs for office etc... Continue to build the grassroots for a 2012 presidential run.

 

[Gustogus]

Yuck - Imagining Ron Paul lending support to any of those totems is horrible.
Even if Ron Paul asked I would never vote for those goons.

We don't have to vote for them. We just need Dr. Paul to get concessions for the next election from the National. He's dealing with Primary Delegates, not endorsements

Actually we probably outnumber the Libertarian Party right now.
Just by showing up it would become ours 'lock stock and barrel'.

Even so, if we adopted a more libertarian leaning message and drew them into the party we would have alarger pool to draw from for candidates.

So true and very well put.

thanks

That megaphone is controlled by the same people who will control it 4 years from now.

Despite the prevalent internet theory, the pentaverate [sp?] is not in control of American Politics. Evangels got a seat at the table because they were loud, as did the neo-cons.

Learn your Republican Party History.
Reagan and Bush 1 were mortal enemies between the Neo-Con sect (Bush) and the Goldwater Sect (Reagan), Bush as the VP was the concession to the Neo-Cons come convention time.

They weren't anointed from on high by the Rothchilds, they fought tooth and nail for years to take the control they have now. They took the long view and look at where they sit. We can do the same if people would just open their eyes!

All that said, let us continue this marathon together,
whatever Ron Paul decides to do.

Agreed

 

[expatriot]

Bridge for sale?

Guys I Think I have A Very Simple Answer To Both Sides Of This Argument.

Support Ron Paul And Let Him Make His Own Choice.

If he runs 3rd party then hell we will all be along for the ride and be there for him, if he keeps going as a republican hell lets give it our best and show we aren't faux support, and if he drops out lets keep the ideas alive and prepare for 2012 when the world will finally here the voice of freedom, prosperity, and reason.

Amen to waiting his decision.
We can suggest, recommend and plead, but it is his life, after all.

If we need to wait for 2012 I suggest we all get some kind of mail drop service
set up for supporters because those of us not rounded up for FEMA camps
will probably be living under bridges by then.
(Excepting, of course, those drafted and sent off to fight on the Eastern Front.)

On second thought, maybe waiting for 2012 is not such a good idea...

 

[morerocklesstalk]

No 3rd Party. Independent? Maybe.

Agreed. We gain no more traction by adopting the title of an exsisting or even new party.

 

[Richandler]

I'm thinking that even if it doesn't work we can give more exposure than ever as to why 3rd parties don't have a chance in the Presidential Race. I think that it worth a shot going for of course to win, but also to make a statement about media bias and these elections. We have the grandest opportunity to create a well documented event with a known outcome. We have a chance to give a filmmaker the ultimate opportunity to expose the system and the government corruption.

 

[colecrowe]

SPREAD IT FAR AND WIDE (indy run bomb) - www.ronpaulwhitehouse.com: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=113132

 

[morerocklesstalk]

I'm thinking that even if it doesn't work we can give more exposure than ever as to why 3rd parties don't have a chance in the Presidential Race. I think that it worth a shot going for of course to win, but also to make a statement about media bias and these elections. We have the grandest opportunity to create a well documented event with a known outcome. We have a chance to give a filmmaker the ultimate opportunity to expose the system and the government corruption.

Here in Nevada, Ron Paul got 17-18% I believe. In a Republican only contest, no less, where you had to register a month before.

If we get some of the Obama supporters who refuse to back Hillary, and maybe some Romney supports who hate McCain we can really get the train going.

 

[colecrowe]

we got 14% here in Nevada. But probably 45% of the delagates.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

Yup I am one of those delegates.

 

[mdevour]

Reagan Parallels?

I'm with Dr. Paul whichever course he chooses, from an independent run, or a fusion candidacy under a new party banner, to simply returning to his congressional district and seeing what he can do with the influence this effort has gathered to him. Or winning the presidency, of course!

Can I point up one other thought I haven't heard from anyone else?

Think 1976, when Ronald Reagan failed to get the Republican nomination.

Then imagine an incumbent Democrat whose administration is crippled by crisis and failure... and the election of 1980 that brought us the Reagan revolution.

Ask yourself if, given another 4 years, we might be better prepared to win this battle?

Ron Paul would be elected at age 76 and re-elected at age 80. Maybe that's too old, maybe it's not. I wouldn't blame him if he decided to retire instead!

Think about it.

Mike D.

 

[morerocklesstalk]

I think the Republicans have hurt themselves for a while. If Hillary or Obama wins, which I would imagine if either runs against McCain, than we would have to face an 8 year stretch most likely as both are very big names.

There is no better time than now to run independent.

 

[Michael Landon]

Ron Paul won the Constitution Party nomination in Minnesota over the weekend.

 

[colecrowe]

The ratio of new donors to repeat donors (about 40% and INCREASING) means that his support is growing and growing. But, more importantly, I think it means that people are less and less willing to give more if they've already given once, twice, or five times (like myself, my father, grandfather, and army buddies)--unless he is going to go iNDY. I just can't afford it. But I could make myself afford another 500 or even way more if he went iNDY because I know he could win! (don't give me crap--I gave over $1,000 in Q4, as well as about 20-30 hours of canvassing and calling--I know not enough time, but I would do 3 times that when he declared iNDY because I have a much less demanding schedule now)

 

[Jae0]

I just want the rest of us states to get a say! I dont care what party he runs after that. But these people who have already voted suddenly feel like they have all the say and us other states dont mean shit.

 

[colecrowe]

I just want the rest of us states to get a say! I dont care what party he runs after that. But these people who have already voted suddenly feel like they have all the say and us other states dont mean shit.

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12​

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11​

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22
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6​

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13​

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West Virginia primary

20​

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27​

Idaho Republican primary
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3​

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