I was drawn to Ron Paul because I have never seen or heard a more logical, grounded politician or leader. The people who introduced me to Ron Paul got my ear because of their logical and grounded way of talking about the issues. When I hear you people revolt over talk of an independent run I scratch my head and wonder why we like the same candidate. To continue spending money pursuing the Republican nomination would be totally illogical and ridiculous at this point. An independent or third party run is the only logical option now. We still have a boat load of cash and an independent run would reengerize all of us and likely get the money and support pouring back in. We would have seven months to make some magic happen and I think we could do it.
it's time to start thinking 3rd party run
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I was drawn to Ron Paul because I have never seen or heard a more logical, grounded politician or leader. The people who introduced me to Ron Paul got my ear because of their logical and grounded way of talking about the issues. When I hear you people revolt over talk of an independent run I scratch my head and wonder why we like the same candidate. To continue spending money pursuing the Republican nomination would be totally illogical and ridiculous at this point. An independent or third party run is the only logical option now. We still have a boat load of cash and an independent run would reengerize all of us and likely get the money and support pouring back in. We would have seven months to make some magic happen and I think we could do it.
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Nice language. Good way to show your intelligence while you are calling someone else a retard. Are you 18 or 19?
Live to fight another day folks.
Stay in the fight till the convention. If all goes Well Dr. Paul plays Kingmaker. We fight for liberty caucus concessions in the next elections. We move a few bits of our agenda along.
Politics isn't a sprint, its a marathon. The most important part is that we show the media and the country that we're not a fly by night operation. We have to prove we're not just a bunch of kiddies jumping on the most recent fad and riding it into the ground to only be distracted by the next shiny object.
Stick with the RNC, get our people into Republican seats, push the agenda. Even if Dr. Paul won the RNC nomination he's fighting the Republican uphill battle of following the "George and Dick" show. If we do this right we set ourselves up to take the White House in 4-8 years. We are poisded to capture the disillusioned section of the Republican party (which is rather large these days).
A revolution isn't won in a single battle folks. Honestly if the Libertarian party were smart they would be jumpign ship to join us, they could take over an entire major party right now. Think about it, Universal Healthcare is set as a Democratic agenda for their next President. Our economy is tanking. The president just presented a 3.1 trillion dollar budget with a 400 billion dollar deficit. Imagine what this could look like in 4 years. Imagine if we had the framework started by Dr. Paul to say "We told you so". Imagine if we could say that from the megaphone that is the Republican Party.
There is a whole lot riding on Dr. Paul not just winning this thing, but doing well all the way to the convention.
It's a marathon folks, if your attention span can't handle it perhaps politics isn't for you....
Stay in the fight till the convention. If all goes Well Dr. Paul plays Kingmaker. We fight for liberty caucus concessions in the next elections. We move a few bits of our agenda along.
Politics isn't a sprint, its a marathon. The most important part is that we show the media and the country that we're not a fly by night operation. We have to prove we're not just a bunch of kiddies jumping on the most recent fad and riding it into the ground to only be distracted by the next shiny object.
Stick with the RNC, get our people into Republican seats, push the agenda. Even if Dr. Paul won the RNC nomination he's fighting the Republican uphill battle of following the "George and Dick" show. If we do this right we set ourselves up to take the White House in 4-8 years. We are poisded to capture the disillusioned section of the Republican party (which is rather large these days).
A revolution isn't won in a single battle folks. Honestly if the Libertarian party were smart they would be jumpign ship to join us, they could take over an entire major party right now. Think about it, Universal Healthcare is set as a Democratic agenda for their next President. Our economy is tanking. The president just presented a 3.1 trillion dollar budget with a 400 billion dollar deficit. Imagine what this could look like in 4 years. Imagine if we had the framework started by Dr. Paul to say "We told you so". Imagine if we could say that from the megaphone that is the Republican Party.
There is a whole lot riding on Dr. Paul not just winning this thing, but doing well all the way to the convention.
It's a marathon folks, if your attention span can't handle it perhaps politics isn't for you....
Keep dreaming! Unfortunately we do not have enough money for a 3rd party candidacy
Perot only spent 65 million--look on wikipedia. What cost $65,000,000 in 1990 would cost $107,402,877.98 in 2007. source: http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi
We would need probably 100,000,000
That is doable, especially considering this very limited anecdotal evidence...
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That will be so much better than having a Ron Paul iNDY president in January. 1 out of 435 or whatever it is, who's never gotten a bill past committee. Yeah another 8 years or whatever in the house is so important compared to being president. I maintain it would be a worthy sacrifice. He has to try to win the white house.
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What a completely stupid and retarded post. Fail.
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Who gives a shit about his stupid Congressional seat? He will win it easily anyway.
90% or more of the American people have never even heard of Ron and they do not know his message. We need another 8 months to spread the word about him in the general election. Ron can get into the debates and mop the floor with these jokers. He will pick up all the anti-illegal and tons of antiwar folks. If Obama loses, Ron Paul has an actual chance of winning the White House.
Don't be a defeatist.
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Oh, like the 63% of independents who voted for him in Nevada??
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I'm not understanding the hostility over campaign strategy and that is all talking about ditching the GOP is. I have no problem with anyone who is that threatened by discussing strategy ignoring my posts. Feel free. Your mind is locked up anyway. Calling names and obscenities isn't rational argument. It's all up to RP and I trust his decisions on it. The GOP is hurting RP and a lot of the party aren't even conservative anymore. The Establishment fears RP running indie or 3rd party (outside the matrix) and as the economy continues to tank folks will be more receptive to alternatives. He will get no media exposure (but he's sure not getting it now). They learned their lesson with Perot and folks are even dumber now. I'd go so far as to say that we can count on MSM exposure to be negative, the way they portrayed Perot and Dean as nuts when they wanted rid of them. I don't see any advantage in RP being a kingmaker at the convention. They are all liars and cheats, what can he possibly get from them?
I'm not understanding the hostility over campaign strategy and that is all talking about ditching the GOP is. I have no problem with anyone who is that threatened by discussing strategy ignoring my posts. Feel free. Your mind is locked up anyway. Calling names and obscenities isn't rational argument. It's all up to RP and I trust his decisions on it. The GOP is hurting RP and a lot of the party aren't even conservative anymore. The Establishment fears RP running indie or 3rd party (outside the matrix) and as the economy continues to tank folks will be more receptive to alternatives. He will get no media exposure (but he's sure not getting it now). They learned their lesson with Perot and folks are even dumber now. I'd go so far as to say that we can count on MSM exposure to be negative, the way they portrayed Perot and Dean as nuts when they wanted rid of them. I don't see any advantage in RP being a kingmaker at the convention. They are all liars and cheats, what can he possibly get from them?
tail, dog,wag
Yuck - Imagining Ron Paul lending support to any of those totems is horrible.
Even if Ron Paul asked I would never vote for those goons.
Just by showing up it would become ours 'lock stock and barrel'.
All that said, let us continue this marathon together,
whatever Ron Paul decides to do.
Yuck - Imagining Ron Paul lending support to any of those totems is horrible.
Even if Ron Paul asked I would never vote for those goons.
Actually we probably outnumber the Libertarian Party right now.
Just by showing up it would become ours 'lock stock and barrel'.
So true and very well put.
That megaphone is controlled by the same people who will control it 4 years from now.
All that said, let us continue this marathon together,
whatever Ron Paul decides to do.
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We're still gaining supporters, the message still has not reached many people.
It's all about the message, not the ultimate result.
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I'm not anti-Indy. The fact is there is one General in this revolution and he is running in the GOP primaries. If and when the time comes to make a decision to alter campaign strategy he will make the call and we will support him in that effort. Pre-maturely debating this topic only takes away focus and energy from the current effort and lends legitimacy to concerns of voters who might otherwise support Ron in the GOP except that they suspect he may ultimately run outstide the GOP. All arguments such as this one serve no other purpose than to distract from the task at hand and are rendered moot by the fact that it is not up to any of us to do anything other than get out the message and the vote to support our champion.
Time is on our side
The chances for winning the Republican nomination are out the window after today. A third party run is our only chance to win now.
With 9 more months of grassroots campaigning, we could get around the media blackout, and get information directly to the voters -- all of them.
Ballot access isn't trivial, but we could handle that, easily. The Libertarian Party gets on the ballot in 48+ states every year, and we have 4 times as many volunteers as they do, and ten times as much money.
The chances for winning the Republican nomination are out the window after today. A third party run is our only chance to win now.
With 9 more months of grassroots campaigning, we could get around the media blackout, and get information directly to the voters -- all of them.
Ballot access isn't trivial, but we could handle that, easily. The Libertarian Party gets on the ballot in 48+ states every year, and we have 4 times as many volunteers as they do, and ten times as much money.
We could create "the Conservative party" with our email, fundraising, and canvassing lists--and, of course, with our delegate lists. Although I still don't know if that would be better than iNDY. The reason I say that is because we might alienate the Libertarians and Constitution party folks, whereas we wouldn't if we went iNDY--but they are only like 4% of the voting public if that. "Conservative Party" (or another name possibly) would get us the Buchananites and many others I'm sure.
We WILL win iNDY.
We WILL win iNDY.
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