it's time to start thinking 3rd party run

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sicsempertyrannis

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I know many people don't want to hear that but the republicans/media would not let it happen even if had enough support. Plus a 3rd party announcement will create an immediate bump in fund raising

We've fought a helluva fight... and who hear wants to stop now? I surely don't... a 3rd party run will let us fight all the way till the end. Either the libertarian or constitutution party...both have ballot access so it won't be a problem and both parties will support Ron 100%. Let's keep going!
 
MayTheRonBeWithYou said:
It would likely be an independent run, not third party. The model to look at is Ross Perot in 1992.
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Agreed. If he doesn't do any better than 3-4% in any state tonight then he needs to walk, no since wasting cash for those kind of results. Money would be MUCH better spent gearing up for an independent run. Lots of work to be done, its difficult to get on the ballot in alot of states and very very difficult to get into the debates which would be an absolute must.
 
Ron has already said he would take a look at where he stands right after Feb 5.

The fact is, Ron is simply running in the THE WRONG PARTY.
 
I have to respectfully disagree

Much time money and effort will have to be wasted just on ballot access if we run independent. I don't really think Perot is a good model to use either.... he was a billionaire and could buy primetime television slots to get his message out. We can't do that unless I hit the mega millions tonight and Ill buy time myself.
 
sicsempertyrannis said:
Much time money and effort will have to be wasted just on ballot access if we run independent. I don't really think Perot is a good model to use either.... he was a billionaire and could buy primetime television slots to get his message out. We can't do that unless I hit the mega millions tonight and Ill buy time myself.
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We have plenty of money and people to get on ballots. Perot already blew down most of the barriers, so it won't be much of a problem getting Ron on the ballots.

Perot only spent about 60 million on his campaign. Ron can easily raise more than that, plus he only needs 15% to get into the debates. Right now, 90% of Americans don't even know who the hell Ron Paul is. So keep your chins up, people.... this is just the beginning!!
 
I am starting to doubt that Paul would do well even in a third party run....Independents have shown one thing in this primary: They're not voting for Paul.
 
TNFreedom said:
Agreed. If he doesn't do any better than 3-4% in any state tonight then he needs to walk, no since wasting cash for those kind of results. Money would be MUCH better spent gearing up for an independent run. Lots of work to be done, its difficult to get on the ballot in alot of states and very very difficult to get into the debates which would be an absolute must.
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He's having to fight to just be included in the debates now!
 
"He's running in the wrong country. This one is done." .. not quite yet.. but the people being nominated will seal the deal.

I seriously doubt a 3rd party run would overcome this problem. I don't mean to be negative, but I don't think the media will allow it to happen no matter what party he runs under. That said.. I'd get behind it and do all I could to help Ron Paul in a run against the media.

And.. I will not vote for any of the other candidates - Republican or Democrat.
 
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sicsempertyrannis said:
Plus a 3rd party announcement will create an immediate bump in fund raising

We've fought a helluva fight... and who hear wants to stop now? I surely don't... a 3rd party run will let us fight all the way till the end. Either the libertarian or constitutution party...both have ballot access so it won't be a problem and both parties will support Ron 100%. Let's keep going!
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my dad said he'd donate another 500 to Paul (IF he announces 3rd party) (he donated 200 on Dec. 16th--but that was when it seemed like he REALLY could maybe, possibly win the Nom. I would donate 500 the day he declares (even though it will hurt financially), whereas I can't afford to give anymore (I gave just over a 1,100 in Q4 to the cause--so shut up) for his Republican run; and gramps would probably wager another 1776.00

The 2nd and 3rd tier, broader-base of supporters aren't (many or most of them) going to donate MORE--if they already have once--because TO THEM it is obvious or at least nearly certain that he's not going to get the Nom from the Republican party (I'm not saying I believe that--but they DO). However, they would be very willing and enthusiastic about supporting him in an iNDEPENDENT run.

IF he doesn't do well enough in the next month or two, and then makes the calculated decision to run iNDY, and then declares say in March, and starts campaigning and runs a couple infomercials to pique some interest (emphasised because it's the most essential part), we could pick one perfect day, and make sure to have two months to plan it--and do everything in our power to make it better and bigger than the Tea Party. Independence Day would make so much sense--the country could declare it's independence from the parties, the special interests and lobbyists, the IRS, the Bankers, the Bush war and the Bush and McCain shamnesty, and the tax and spend Democrats--and we'd have 3 or however many months to prepare for it and drum up support. We could set a goal of 25 million in one day, and hope to shatter it. And then Ron Paul would have July, August, September, and October to spend it and raise more all along--while all along, for those 4 plus months, we could fill every precinct captain position and canvass and call every house--while Iraq continues exploding and the economy collapses.
 
slacker921 said:
"He's running in the wrong country. This one is done." .. not quite yet.. but the people being nominated will seal the deal.

I seriously doubt a 3rd party run would overcome this problem. I don't mean to be negative, but I don't think the media will allow it to happen no matter what party he runs under. That said.. I'd get behind it and do all I could to help Ron Paul in a run against the media.
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Part of the media blackout is our own fault. Ron has been doing TERRIBLE in the primaries, so his coverage goes away. Trust me, if Ron would have won NH or SC, he would be on the cover of every magazine in the country. The real problem is the GOP. Ron is simply in the wrong party. The GOP is lost, and they reject his antiwar and pro-liberty views.
 
iNDY - not Lib. or Constitution Party

He is absolutely right--and honest--to say that he "has no intention of going iNDEPENDENT or Third Party" because, right now (at least before today's results), his only intention is to win the Republican nomination. He 100% fully intends (or intended) to wholeheartedly run and try his best to win as a Republican while he is running as such, and he says so. He has NEVER, EVER said "I will not run iNDY". He has never, ever said "I will never run iNDY". But IF it becomes clear he cannot win the nomination, then he can go independent.

I would be very, very, very sad if he didn't go iNDY. He could win it, especially against Hillary (and she seems like the chosen one (it's all about the superdelegates).

But I wish everyone would stop always saying Third Party. Just say iNDEPENDENT. I think that it would be horrible to go third party. He has to go independent (unaffiliated). Maybe people disagree with me? But if he went Lib. he couldn't get more than 5-10% guaranteed because 90% of voters would think they could never vote Libertarian--can anyone say repeal drug laws, abolish social security, and open borders? He could maybe get 10-15% if he went Constitution Party. But Independent he could win it--especially against Hillary and McCain.

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Actually, I will say this... If it appears that the GOP will be utterly, hopelessly lost, as in completely abandoning constitutional and conservative ideals like protection of civil liberties, small, limited government, national sovereignty, and a non-interventionist foreign policy, then maybe Ron Paul and his 10% base that exists now should all sign up under the banner of a new coalition, maybe it could be a party, maybe call it the Conservative Party. That way we go into the contest for the General election with some orginization--and if it catches on maybe it could beat down the Republican Party that so many conservatives are fed up with. Also, any Ron Paul Republicans could join the Conservative Party (or whatever it is) and could run for Congress and state seats under its banner in the upcoming election, especially if they don't make it in their primaries.
 
I agree with you folks. I don't know if he needs to go 3rd party or independent but he is not getting much benefit anymore from running as a Republican. They are making him look like a loser and harming more than the few shreds of publicity are worth. He ought to announce it giving the story to "The American Conservative" Magazine to break and the campaign needs to plan on being ignored by the Old Media. Supporters are going to have to teach and spread the message door to door since the MSM is sandbagging and the GOP is cheating him. RP has a lot of supporters. We will all have to be the media. Too bad the churches are so nondiscerning. It would be great to have the churches spread the word like Mel Gibsons "Passion" internet-grassroots marketing. People are just dumbed down, an awful lot just don't "get it". They think "liberty" is what we're spreading in Iraq. Who in their right mind could vote for plainly insane McCain??
 
sicsempertyrannis said:
I know many people don't want to hear that but the republicans/media would not let it happen even if had enough support. Plus a 3rd party announcement will create an immediate bump in fund raising

We've fought a helluva fight... and who hear wants to stop now? I surely don't... a 3rd party run will let us fight all the way till the end. Either the libertarian or constitutution party...both have ballot access so it won't be a problem and both parties will support Ron 100%. Let's keep going!
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How is a 3rd party run going to stop the media blackout? They will ignore Ron Paul and his message EVEN MORE if he runs 3rd party. This is where the problem lyes. In the Corporate Media.
 
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