it's happening!!!! 36% of Republicans willing to cross over to 3rd party for Trump

[wizardwatson]

What is wrong with some people? How does one go from supporting Rand and the Liberty movement to supporting leftist loud mouth Trump?

I find it very disturbing to find some people who supposedly supported Rand are now switching to Trump of all people. Is this based on the media's 24/7 preoccupation with Trump? Not to mention some conservative sites need to change their names to Trump news, since the other candidates (including Rand of course) are being almost entirely ignored?

Aren't liberty supporters smart enough to know we shouldn't pay any attention to most "news" sources?

I joined this forum because I support Rand and wanted to be part of an online community of like minded people. Instead I see a lot of negativity, and of some people willing to throw Rand under the bus in favor of a bombastic blow hard who would lose in a Goldwater like landslide to the eventual D nominee.

Most of the Trump supporters were not vocal Rand or Ron supporters. If you look at most of their post history it was as if they "suddenly came alive" and were ready to pounce on Rand when they hadn't really been all the supportive or vocal in the past.

"Smitty" for instance, not that he is in any way an agent or any other such nonsense, has the type of post history I'm talking about. Most of his past posts are entirely related to racism and immigration. At least that's as all I see on the 8 page history. So naturally people who are obsessed with the racism issue are pro-Trump since he satiates that demographic in his rhetoric.

You are seeing a lot of people who say "I was a former Paul supporter" and they go on about how they gave money, contributed to the campaign, been a member here for years, but in words and philosophy you'll notice they don't seem to add up.

So don't sweat it. It's just people whether conscious or unconscious working against the core message of liberty in order to co-opt the vocabulary and the movement.

Natrually, they must be stopped at all costs, but the Lord is on our side, so no worries.

 

[AuH20]

Most of the Trump supporters were not vocal Rand or Ron supporters. If you look at most of their post history it was as if they "suddenly came alive" and were ready to pounce on Rand when they hadn't really been all the supportive or vocal in the past.

"Smitty" for instance, not that he is in any way an agent or any other such nonsense, has the type of post history I'm talking about. Most of his past posts are entirely related to racism and immigration. At least that's as all I see on the 8 page history. So naturally people who are obsessed with the racism issue are pro-Trump since he satiates that demographic in his rhetoric.

You are seeing a lot of people who say "I was a former Paul supporter" and they go on about how they gave money, contributed to the campaign, been a member here for years, but in words and philosophy you'll notice they don't seem to add up.

So don't sweat it. It's just people whether conscious or unconscious working against the core message of liberty in order to co-opt the vocabulary and the movement.

Natrually, they must be stopped at all costs, but the Lord is on our side, so no worries.

If Rand Paul had waged open war on the GOP's Old Guard, I would have run into oncoming traffic for him. That was always Ron's specialty. Sadly, Rand has done the opposite in some instances. Trump has showed more bravery than Rand since he doesn't have to worry about Committee posts or election monies.

 

[Smitty]

Natrually, they must be stopped at all costs,

Define "at all costs".

 

[nikcers]

If Rand Paul had waged open war on the GOP's Old Guard, I would have run into oncoming traffic for him. That was always Ron's specialty. Sadly, Rand has done the opposite in some instances. Trump has showed more bravery than Rand since he doesn't have to worry about Committee posts or election monies.

You sock puppets always try to strawman your way out of this, you probably aren't even supporters of trump. What has trump done for the liberty movement?

 

[Smitty]

"Smitty" for instance, not that he is in any way an agent or any other such nonsense, has the type of post history I'm talking about. Most of his past posts are entirely related to racism and immigration.

That's a lie.

 

[AuH20]

You sock puppets always try to strawman your way out of this, you probably aren't even supporters of trump. What has trump done for the liberty movement?

Nothing. But he all the right enemies. And he doesn't carry Mitch's water. Give me the crooked businessman willing to shake things up.

 

[nikcers]

Nothing. But he all the right enemies. And he doesn't carry Mitch's water. Give me the crooked businessman willing to shake things up.

Bill Clinton 2016

 

[Smitty]

Most of the Trump supporters were not vocal Rand or Ron supporters. If you look at most of their post history it was as if they "suddenly came alive" and were ready to pounce on Rand when they hadn't really been all the supportive or vocal in the past.

"Smitty" for instance, not that he is in any way an agent or any other such nonsense, has the type of post history I'm talking about. Most of his past posts are entirely related to racism and immigration. At least that's as all I see on the 8 page history. So naturally people who are obsessed with the racism issue are pro-Trump since he satiates that demographic in his rhetoric.

You are seeing a lot of people who say "I was a former Paul supporter" and they go on about how they gave money, contributed to the campaign, been a member here for years, but in words and philosophy you'll notice they don't seem to add up.

So don't sweat it. It's just people whether conscious or unconscious working against the core message of liberty in order to co-opt the vocabulary and the movement.

Natrually, they must be stopped at all costs, but the Lord is on our side, so no worries.

I suspect that you're entire perspective could be brought into focus with a prescription for Haldol.

 

[nikcers]

I suspect that you're entire perspective could be brought into focus with a prescription for Haldol.

Strawman again really, are you guys even trying?

 

[Smitty]

Strawman again really, are you guys even trying?

When people start making suggestions on an internet forum about stopping other posters "at all costs", I start to suspect something clinically wrong with their ability to reason.

 

[cat_woman]

24/7 news cycle feeding an astro turf campaign, poor short term memory (trump polled #1 in 2011 for a min too), lack of forward momentum due to losing the election, and an disinformation campaign designed to entice people into the Bernie Sanders "movement" that was designed by Bill Clinton's 2016 campaign to get the white progressive vote. Bill Clinton used a billionaire 3rd party run to get elected the last time too.

Yes, and I'm sure Hillary (or whoever is the D nominee) would love another billionaire third party in the general. I don't think Trump will do it though. He's a huge narcissist, but he's not stupid. He knows he can't win and likely doesn't want to just throw money away.

 

[cat_woman]

If Rand Paul had waged open war on the GOP's Old Guard, I would have run into oncoming traffic for him. That was always Ron's specialty. Sadly, Rand has done the opposite in some instances. Trump has showed more bravery than Rand since he doesn't have to worry about Committee posts or election monies.

Oh yeah, that really takes a lot of "Bravery" doesn't it? Sort of like most of the adoring media calling Jenner "courageous".

Shooting off his mouth every ten seconds, calling those who disagree with him morons, idiots, etc, does not take a lot of bravery.

 

[cat_woman]

Most of the Trump supporters were not vocal Rand or Ron supporters. If you look at most of their post history it was as if they "suddenly came alive" and were ready to pounce on Rand when they hadn't really been all the supportive or vocal in the past.

"Smitty" for instance, not that he is in any way an agent or any other such nonsense, has the type of post history I'm talking about. Most of his past posts are entirely related to racism and immigration. At least that's as all I see on the 8 page history. So naturally people who are obsessed with the racism issue are pro-Trump since he satiates that demographic in his rhetoric.

You are seeing a lot of people who say "I was a former Paul supporter" and they go on about how they gave money, contributed to the campaign, been a member here for years, but in words and philosophy you'll notice they don't seem to add up.

So don't sweat it. It's just people whether conscious or unconscious working against the core message of liberty in order to co-opt the vocabulary and the movement.

Natrually, they must be stopped at all costs, but the Lord is on our side, so no worries.

Well I guess there are a lot of fair weather and fickle Rand supporters here then. I was reading another thread yesterday where several people declared Rand's campaign is basically over, even though we are still months away from the first caucus and primary.

Sure, I'm disappointed he hasn't raised more, and would like to see his polling numbers higher. But there is a LONG way to go. If I remember correctly, at this stage in the election cycle in 2011 Herman Cain is the front runner.

I've spent some time at Hot Air and other sites disagreeing with conservatives who have a serious case of Trump mania. We shouldn't have to be doing it here in a forum specifically for Rand.

 

[Smitty]

We shouldn't have to be doing it here in a forum specifically for Rand.

This isn't a forum specifically for Rand. This is a forum to discuss the 2016 Presidential election.

 

[cat_woman]

This isn't a forum specifically for Rand. This is a forum to discuss the 2016 Presidential elections.

It's actually Liberty forums, and the Ron/Rand forum. I'd hardly call The Donald a champion of liberty.

 

[erowe1]

This isn't a forum specifically for Rand. This is a forum to discuss the 2016 Presidential election.

The purpose of discussing the 2016 presidential election is to support Rand and denigrate every other candidate.

 

[Smitty]

It's actually Liberty forums, and the Ron/Rand forum. I'd hardly call The Donald a champion of liberty.

I say what I want to say.

It's none of your business.

 

[erowe1]

That's a lie.

No it's not. Just your posts from today alone prove it true.

 

[Smitty]

No it's not. Just your posts from today alone prove it true.

What is it with you people and your lies? One right after another,....

If you have to lie to support a stance, you don't *have* one.

What's so hard to understand about that?

 

[Smitty]

Somebody drops in to participate in a discussion, and if it's not the "approved" tact, these little ankle biters start hopping around spouting lies.

It's ridiculous.