Is Ted Cruz eligible ? Read the timeline and decide.

[nikcers]

I've got a personal question. Follow me please. I was born in Seattle and my mom and dad were born in Chile. My dad gave up his Chilean citizenship after serving for the U.S. Air Force during Vietnam. My mom was able to get a green card but she never got U.S. citizenship because she got sick. Plus I have Chilean citizenship thanks to my mom and never gave up my American citizenship. Would I be considered a "natural-born citizen" under the original Constitutional sense of the word?

If both of your parents at time of inception were considered "American citizens" then I'd vote for you. Ted Cruz is the unwanted bastard child of the republican party, the liberty movement doesn't want him, the RNC doesn't want him, and the tea birthers don't want him.

 

[derek4ever]

If both of your parents at time of inception were considered "American citizens" then I'd vote for you. Ted Cruz is the unwanted bastard child of the republican party, the liberty movement doesn't want him, the RNC doesn't want him, and the tea birthers don't want him.

Only my dad is a naturalized U.S. citizen (got naturalized after the Vietnam War) and my mom lived in the U.S. since 1981 and got her Green Card quickly but her Citizenship papers stuck in the immigration backlog.

 

[notsure]

There's no definitive evidence to suggest that his mother became a Canadian. However, there's also no evidence that she was eligible to confer US citizenship. Ted has provided no Gov't records to prove that she was eligible and that he received US citizenship. No certificate of US citizenship nor certificate of birth abroad has been released by Ted.
It doesn't matter if his mother was born in the US or if she even was a US citizen. Ted had to look to naturalization statutes to acquire US citizenship. He's a naturalized citizen.

 

[nikcers]

Only my dad is a naturalized U.S. citizen (got naturalized after the Vietnam War) and my mom lived in the U.S. since 1981 and got her Green Card quickly but her Citizenship papers stuck in the immigration backlog.

Yeah it would be no offense against you and honestly my bias would be on tradition alone. Not that I think that your mom came here to overthrow democracy. Honestly I think that's what pisses most people off, when people scoff at American Tradition or our heritage, like with Saddam Hussein. He pissed a lot of people off in our country due to his anti American positions. Electing someone with his name, gives him recognition that some people would say he doesn't deserve. The most despicable people in history deserve no recognition, and to be written out of history so that no one ever aspires to reach that level of immortality.

 

[spudea]

I've got a personal question. Follow me please. I was born in Seattle and my mom and dad were born in Chile. My dad gave up his Chilean citizenship after serving for the U.S. Air Force during Vietnam. My mom was able to get a green card but she never got U.S. citizenship because she got sick. Plus I have Chilean citizenship thanks to my mom and never gave up my American citizenship. Would I be considered a "natural-born citizen" under the original Constitutional sense of the word?

Yes you became a US citizen at birth and are unquestionably a natural born citizen being born within the US. Congrats.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Where in the Constitution does it say that if your parents are dual citizens you can't be president?

It's original intent. If both parents held foreign citizenship and you were born outside of America, the potential for divided loyalty is significant. The original intent of the Natural Born clause was to prohibit divided loyalties from becoming President. Ergo, not eligible per original intent.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I've got a personal question. Follow me please. I was born in Seattle and my mom and dad were born in Chile. My dad gave up his Chilean citizenship after serving for the U.S. Air Force during Vietnam. My mom was able to get a green card but she never got U.S. citizenship because she got sick. Plus I have Chilean citizenship thanks to my mom and never gave up my American citizenship. Would I be considered a "natural-born citizen" under the original Constitutional sense of the word?

You sound a lot more certainly American than Cruz. At least one of your parents was a US Citizen, you were born in the US, and it would appear the vast majority of your life was lived in the US. You do not have the potential for divided loyalty that Cruz has. If (as I suspect) you have spent the majority of your life in the US I'd say you qualify.

 

[Dianne]

Alan Grayson was just on CNN answering questions about the lawsuit he has threatened to file if Cruz wins the nomination, and to respond to the theory of two Harvard professors in the Harvard Law Review that Cruz is a natural born citizen. Grayson still maintains Cruz is not a natural born citizen because 1) When the constitution was written, birthright citizenship passed through the father not the mother; and 2) Cruz's Mom was a Canadian citizen, not a U.S. citizen. She was registered to vote in Alberta, Canada; and only citizens of Canada are given the right to vote. He said this fact was only discovered this past week, so the Harvard professors didn't have all the information before providing an opinion.

 

[Voluntarist]

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[Dianne]

Bastard children born to US mothers couldn't claim US citizenship?

I know when a mexican lady crosses the border and has a baby, that baby is American. The mother isn't, but the baby is. In this case, Cruz was born in Canada to two Canadian citizens.

I'm not saying I know the answer, just saying the basis upon which the Democrats plan to sue.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Barack Obama's mom was a citizen at his birth and yet republicans made an issue of it claiming he might not be a natural born citizen if he was born in Kenya.

Birthers are consistent at least in case of Obama and Cruz.

Rafael Cruz in 2012: Send Obama 'back to Kenya'

 

[fcreature]

After thinking about this issue some more, I think I've come to the point where I just won't support a candidate not born in the US ever, regardless of the constitutional issue. Why is it so bad to want a US born POTUS? And why have so many (questionable) non-US born candidates been running lately? If you weren't born in the US, don't run for the office.

 

[ThePopinator]

It's original intent. If both parents held foreign citizenship and you were born outside of America, the potential for divided loyalty is significant. The original intent of the Natural Born clause was to prohibit divided loyalties from becoming President. Ergo, not eligible per original intent.

What divided loyalties does Cruz have? He was born a US citizen to a US citizen mother, he's renounced any other citizenship. Seems pretty clear cut, he's a natural born citizen.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

What divided loyalties does Cruz have? He was born a US citizen to a US citizen mother, he's renounced any other citizenship. Seems pretty clear cut, he's a natural born citizen.

And yet the woman he's married to wrote the blueprint for the United States ceding our sovereignty to a North American Union. This fact, when taken with the fact that he was born in a foreign country to two foreign nationals certainly casts doubt on his loyalty. To say that it doesn't is frankly irrational.

 

[Dianne]

What divided loyalties does Cruz have? He was born a US citizen to a US citizen mother, he's renounced any other citizenship. Seems pretty clear cut, he's a natural born citizen.

He renounced his Canadian citizenship just to run for President of the U.S. Seems to be if he really cared about being a U.S. citizen, he would have renounced years ago.

 

[RonPaulMall]

He renounced his Canadian citizenship just to run for President of the U.S. Seems to be if he really cared about being a U.S. citizen, he would have renounced years ago.

Why? He didn't ask for Canadian citizenship. If Canada isn't bugging him about taxes or anything, what does he care whether they consider him a citizen or not?

 

[nikcers]

Why? He didn't ask for Canadian citizenship. If Canada isn't bugging him about taxes or anything, what does he care whether they consider him a citizen or not?

Because citizenship implies loyalty. It's one nation under god, not two nations, not three nations.

 

[RonPaulMall]

Because citizenship implies loyalty. It's one nation under god, not two nations, not three nations.

Only applies loyalty if you ask for it. Cruz never asked for, or attempted to secure Canadian citizenship therefore the "loyalty" argument doesn't apply to him.

 

[nikcers]

Only applies loyalty if you ask for it. Cruz never asked for, or attempted to secure Canadian citizenship therefore the "loyalty" argument doesn't apply to him.

He never asked for it? He surely didn't get rid of it very fast for having it so long. I have a male cousin who was named ashley and he went to court to have that shit changed to ash even before he turned 18.