Immigration Detainments That Make You Say WTF

I'm referring to your reference to "the Ron Paul argument of let them die."

Please provide the link or quote of his exact words making that argument.

Also, let whom die? I still don't know who these people are that you think Ron Paul was talking about when he allegedly said that.

I think--and more importantly, Ron Paul, according to his own words thought--that the logical consequences of his policies would be peace, prosperity, and freedom.

1. Take a look at a map of where the USA has military bases.

2. Bring the troops home.

3. The "Taliban" takes over. (To the victor goes the spoils)

You know the status quo we have where to the victor doesnt go any spoils? What happens if we don't enforce that?

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1.Take a look at a map of where the USA has military bases.

2. Bring the troops home.

3. The "Taliban" takes over. (To the victor goes the spoils)

You know the status quo we have where to the victor doesnt go any spoils? What happens if we don't enforce that?

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Link please.

Or exact quote from Ron Paul.

Also, don't forget to answer my first question of whom Ron Paul argues we should let die. Notice you still haven't done that.
 
Link please.

Or exact quote from Ron Paul.

It was in the Republican debates from 2012.

His exact quote was something along the lines of:

"Well we marched right in, we can march right out"

He only ever got 10 seconds to say anything in these debates but he is mater orater and was able to encapsulate everything into one soundbite.
 

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It was in the Republican debates from 2012.

His exact quote was something along the lines of:

"Well we marched right in, we can march right out"

He only ever got 10 seconds to say anything in these debates but he is mater orater and was able to encapsulate everything into one soundbite.
"Something along the lines of" is not what "exact quote" means.

But also, notice that you're changing your claim. Earlier you said that he argued that we should let someone die. Now even your own paraphrase of his words don't in any conceivable way constitute any kind of argument that anyone should let anyone die.
 
Now even your own paraphrase of his words don't in any conceivable way constitute any kind of argument that anyone should let anyone die.

It's trying to advance its usual poppycock that US troops engage in peacekeeping. If we don't kill them then they'll kill each other is the presumptuous presumption, but you have to cross examine it to get at that because it's programmed to make us look evil by acting like we're all "in on" its "jokes".

It's trying to make straw men of not just Ron Paul and myself, but everyone who still shows up on this forum. Isn't it, @Bryan?
 
"Something along the lines of" is not what "exact quote" means.

But also, notice that you're changing your claim. Earlier you said that he argued that we should let someone die. Now even your own paraphrase of his words don't in any conceivable way constitute any kind of argument that anyone should let anyone die.
What's the logical conclusion if we stop enforcing the status quo?

Whether its death or enslavement which is deathless death what is the logical conclusion?

You won't answer the question ill tell you.

In Afghanistan for example they started to starve to death by the millions.

Several million people are starving to death in Afghanistan as we speak.

In Europe they are dying. By the thousands every single day.

Russia has taken regions of Europe as their own.

To the Victor goes the spoils. Everyone in the occupied regions are being ethnically cleansed and forced to kill their own cousins and being brainwashed.

That's what it looks like when we pull the troops home.

Of course Ron Paul knows this. He is in his 90s he knew people who fought in World War 2 to create the status quo.
 
Everyone in the occupied regions are being ethnically cleansed and forced to kill their own cousins and being brainwashed.

That's what it looks like when we pull the troops home.

Actually, that's what it looks like when we give Israel munitions...

Of course Ron Paul knows this. He is in his 90s

It's saying it created its straw man of Ron Paul not only before it was created, but before the real Ron Paul was born.

What's the logical conclusion

Artificial Stupidity Software. There is no other.
 
Actually, that's what it looks like when we give Israel munitions...
When we don't enforce a status quo...

You think the status quo where we just shoot down Hamas rockets is sustainable?

You said offense was the best defense. You said it.
 
What's the logical conclusion if we stop enforcing the status quo?
I get that you believe that the logical conclusion is all those bad things.

But that is your opinion. Earlier you claimed that it was also Ron Paul's. And you have never provided a shred of evidence to support that claim.

That's what we call lying.

Edit: Also, please stop using the word "logical." It doesn't mean what you think it means.
 
I get that you believe that the logical conclusion is all those bad things.

But that is your opinion. Earlier you claimed that it was also Ron Paul's. And you have never provided a shred of evidence to support that claim.

That's what we call lying.

Edit: Also, please stop using the word "logical." It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Im just not going to deny history.

What happened when the President told Russia we wouldnt protect Ukraine?

What happened when we pulled out of Afghanistan?

This isnt even the first time. What happened when we pulled out of China when we ended the Korean war?

The communists starved 60 million people to death in China. It was called the great leap forward.

People tend to forget the reality we impose on the world is not the reality of the 19th century and all previous centurys.

That in the real world if we dont impose a status quo the pirates take over and then in places like Afghanistan they starve people to death and rape women and girls and treat them like property.

If you dont know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

You live in a false delusion of human nature like a lost boy in neverland that refuses to grow up and face reality.
 
Probably the biggest one was when the USA didn't join the league of nations and enforce the Versailles system.

You see the league of nations werent powerful enough to enforce it and thats what caused world war 2.
 
I liked the way Rand Paul said it too.

Something along the lines of

"We should end "ALL" foreign aid."

It works because he is named after the author of the book Atlas shrugged.

"Atlas is often depicted holding a celestial sphere, a globe-like representation of the sky with constellations."
 
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Im just not going to deny history.

What happened when the President told Russia we wouldnt protect Ukraine?

What happened when we pulled out of Afghanistan?

This isnt even the first time. What happened when we pulled out of China when we ended the Korean war?

The communists starved 60 million people to death in China. It was called the great leap forward.

People tend to forget the reality we impose on the world is not the reality of the 19th century and all previous centurys.

That in the real world if we dont impose a status quo the pirates take over and then in places like Afghanistan they starve people to death and rape women and girls and treat them like property.

If you dont know your history you are doomed to repeat it.

You live in a false delusion of human nature like a lost boy in neverland that refuses to grow up and face reality.
None of that excuses your lying.
 
Green Card Holder Wrongfully Detained by ICE For Nearly 50 Days

NOTE: Eventually released; charges deemed not deportable offenses by immigration judge

A green card holder who has been in the United States for 20 years spent over a month in federal custody, according to KSL News.

Junior Dioses, a lawful permanent resident, was returning from a trip to Peru on April 28 when federal agents stopped him at a Texas airport. Dioses spent two days in custody at the airport, followed by 48 days detained at an ICE facility in Conover, Texas.

"When I was there, I kept thinking every day, 'Why am I here?'" Dioses told KSL News.
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Federal immigration authorities pointed to two prior convictions, one for failing to stop for a police officer in 2006 and another for disorderly conduct in 2019, as grounds for deportation, according to KSL News.

The man's attorney argued that his client's record does not justify deportation under immigration law.

Adam Crayk, managing partner at Stowell Crayk, said that while permanent residents can be deported for offenses that meet certain legal criteria, Dioses' past charges fall short of that standard.

Crayk pointed out that existing case law makes it clear these offenses are not considered crimes involving moral turpitude.

He also criticized immigration authorities for pursuing deportation without fully understanding the law, saying they wrongly detained Dioses and started removal proceedings that should never have been initiated.

"Most people when they think of '(deporting) criminals' they don't think of Junior. They think of the guy selling drugs to our kids, that guy (who) murdered someone, that guy (who) engaged in horrific violent behavior," Crayk told KSL News. "Permanent residents can be deported ... if you do things that under our law qualify for deportable offenses."

"There's already case law that says these are not crimes involving moral turpitude," Crayk added. "Had anyone on the government side done the research, they would have known they had inappropriately incarcerated and inappropriately begun deportation proceedings against someone who should have never been in that type of position."

Under U.S. immigration law, any noncitizen convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude — if it was committed within five to ten years of admission and resulted in a sentence of at least one year in jail — can be deported. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services confirms that this standard is well established, with "extensive" case law describing moral turpitude as conduct so offensive that it "shocks the public conscience" and is "inherently base, vile, or depraved, contrary to the rules of morality and the duties owed between man and man, either one's fellow man or society in general."

Crayk said that Dioses' prior offenses do not meet this definition under the law. Although he filed a motion to end the deportation proceedings — which the government did not challenge — Dioses was still held for another week. Crayk says this extra time in custody was likely caused by bureaucratic uncertainty about a possible appeal that ultimately never happened.
 
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