Birthright Citizenship Isn’t Real

[TheCount]

My biggest problem with this is the lack of reasonable priority being implemented right now. Violent criminals, ISIS terrorists, CCP operatives, Tren de Aragua gang members, spies, and various non-working grifters are not out in the agricultural fields right now picking and pruning. It is just low hanging fruit for ICE.

It's almost as if security isn't actually the goal

 

[TheTexan]

Oh well in that case, put an ICE agent in every maternity ward because I'm convinced

That's actually a pretty good suggestion. I'll forward it up the chain

 

[Brian4Liberty]

It's almost as if security isn't actually the goal

So what is the goal?

The simplest and most likely explanation, assuming that the story of crop pickers being targeted is accurate, is ICE taking the easiest route to get quick results.

It is just low hanging fruit for ICE. ... And then there is the motivation to just up their deportation numbers the easy way.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The current legal standard for investigatory detention and identification is "reasonable articulable suspicion" (RAS), not "probable cause" (PC).

RAS is a much lower bar than PC, and is pretty easy (too easy ?) to meet. PC is the standard for making an arrest (subsequent to the investigatory detention, if any).

Cops will often cite mere "suspiciousness" as RAS ("We got a call ..." or "You're doing something unusual [albeit not evidently criminal] ...") - and courts will often accept this as a valid basis for detention and identification.

Yeah, when we were teenagers and the police pulled up and asked for ID, or threatened us, there wasn't any due process or probable cause.

 

[TheCount]

So what is the goal?

Not security.

The simplest and most likely explanation, assuming that the story of crop pickers being targeted is accurate, is ICE taking the easiest route to get quick results.

What results? Security?

 

[TheTexan]

The simplest and most likely explanation, assuming that the story of crop pickers being targeted is accurate, is ICE taking the easiest route to get quick results.

And so they should. There's nothing wrong with starting with the low hanging fruit.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Not security.

What results? Security?

You are being intentionally obtuse, as usual.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Oh well in that case, put an ICE agent in every maternity ward because I'm convinced

Guess what? I don't care anymore.

Getting the invaders out and keeping them out is a higher priority than "what ifs".

I didn't start this war.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

And so they should. There's nothing wrong with starting with the low hanging fruit.

Except when they are actively picking the low hanging fruit.

 

[TheTexan]

Not security.

What results? Security?

As for me, my only goal is to remove brown people from this country. To me, that in of itself is a goal.

Any security that comes afterward is a bonus.

 

[TheTexan]

Except when they are actively picking the low hanging fruit.

That just means they will have more fruit on them when they get captured. Win/win

 

[Madison320]

Ron Paul opposes birthright citizenship.

It was one of the reasons I supported in 2008.

I like the idea of ending birthright citizenship and only deporting someone if they've committed a crime here.

Ending birth right citizenship: minimizes the burden of illegals and their children since they can't vote and they won't qualify for welfare as easily.

Only deporting active criminals: prevents the "door to door show me your papers" problem

 

[jmdrake]

Anecdotal stories this week in California have said that some citrus orchards undergoing harvest have been "raided" by ICE. A valid California Drivers License is sufficient as far as papers, and people with that are immediately sent on their way.

People keep taking about agricultural workers being deported but that doesn't make sense when you consider the H2A visa program for seasonal farm workers.

https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-th...y-workers/h-2a-temporary-agricultural-workers

 

[Invisible Man]

I like the idea of ending birthright citizenship and only deporting someone if they've committed a crime here.

Ending birth right citizenship: minimizes the burden of illegals and their children since they can't vote and they won't qualify for welfare as easily.

Only deporting active criminals: prevents the "door to door show me your papers" problem

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