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[nikcers]

Which taxes do illegals not pay?

The ones that matter most. They have allegiance to a foreign nation and typically send all their earnings to the thugs that have guns to the heads of their families.

 

[PAF]

No surveilance of us citizens was mentioned.

You can't surveil foreigners/travelers/etc. without surveilling U.S. citizens. Most people should know that by now, and if they don't, it's because

I said I want to know who is entering our country and if they have a criminal background.

I will pose a [used to be] "Republican Platform" question: What business is it of yours?

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps some come here to escape persecution, and maybe their laws are so draconian that they are considered criminals there, but not here? If they have some kind of trumped up charge/record, should it follow them for the rest of their lives? Even up to including defending and protecting themselves and/or their loved ones.

Or maybe they simply want to stay and visit for a while before going to the next country to enjoy/explore? Or maybe the workers work the fields/ranches that Americans don't want to do, and if they can scrape by with an income they won't have to resort to "crime"?

We have what are called the Bill of Rights. Included in that are due process rights. Read them sometime. That's not to say that if someone commits a legitimate crime here that he/she shouldn't be held accountable. But it should done on a case by case basis, the same way as if an American committed a crime and you wouldn't want to be blanket labeled.

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[69360]

You can't surveil foreigners/travelers/etc. without surveilling U.S. citizens. Most people should know that by now, and if they don't, it's because



I will pose a [used to be] "Republican Platform" question: What business is it of yours?

Did you ever stop to think that perhaps some come here to escape persecution, and maybe their laws are so draconian that they are considered criminals there, but not here? If they have some kind of trumped up charge/record, should it follow them for the rest of their lives? Even up to including defending and protecting themselves and/or their loved ones.

Or maybe they simply want to stay and visit for a while before going to the next country to enjoy/explore? Or maybe the workers work the fields/ranches that Americans don't want to do, and if they can scrape by with an income they won't have to resort to "crime"?

We have what are called the Bill of Rights. Included in that are due process rights. Read them sometime. That's not to say that if someone commits a legitimate crime here that he/she shouldn't be held accountable. But it should done on a case by case basis, the same way as if an American committed a crime and you wouldn't want to be blanket labeled.

Nobody is pushing for surveillence of anyone. You are the only one talking about that.

I am for a simple identity verification and criminal background check of foreigners at our border. It is our business as a country to know who is entering and why. This is a perfectly normal and reasonable position. You are the one taking an extreme position out of line with almost all of the rest of the country, not me.

 

[nikcers]

The business is law enforcement of US sovereignty. We dont recognize the right for migration into our country without our permission. Thats just an invasion using the loophole of calling it something else.

 

[PAF]

Nobody is pushing for surveillence of anyone. You are the only one talking about that.

Tell that to Kristi Noem. And Trump. And Palantir.

I am for a simple identity verification and criminal background check of foreigners at our border. It is our business as a country to know who is entering and why. This is a perfectly normal and reasonable position. You are the one taking an extreme position out of line with almost all of the rest of the country, not me.

Sounds a lot like background checks on guns. Same exact principle.

Just for the hell of it, what kind of "identity verification" do you have in mind? And, what if I don't have one of those on me when I'm stopped for doing nothing, other than they want to check my papers please? <----- This refers to the 4th Amendment, by the way.

 

[69360]

Tell that to Kristi Noem. And Trump. And Palantir.




Sounds a lot like background checks on guns. Same exact principle.

Just for the hell of it, what kind of "identity verification" do you have in mind? And, what if I don't have one of those on me when I'm stopped for doing nothing, other than they want to check my papers please? <----- This refers to the 4th Amendment, by the way.

For like the 5th time. FORIEGNERS, NON CITZENS should be checked for identity and criminal background before they are admitted to the country.

Not once did I call for spying on citizens, restricting gun rights or any of the other nonsense you have been going on about.

 

[oyarde]

I think it would require a Constitutional amendment. The only people you're supposed to omit are "Indians not taxed" and 2/5 of the Gingers

Not sure wut Indians are not taxed . IRS claims must pay Fed on income , wages and salaries

 

[oyarde]

Which taxes do illegals not pay?

If I were illegal Id claim enuff exemptions to not pay fed tax and not file I guess

 

[oyarde]

Not sure wut Indians are not taxed . IRS claims natives must pay Fed on income , wages and salaries

 

[TheCount]

The ones that matter most. They have allegiance to a foreign nation and typically send all their earnings to the thugs that have guns to the heads of their families.

Sending their earnings to another country is a tax?

 

[TheCount]

If I were illegal Id claim enuff exemptions to not pay fed tax and not file I guess

How exactly do you imagine that illegal immigrants are filing their taxes?

 

[oyarde]

How exactly do you imagine that illegal immigrants are filing their taxes?

my guess is most are working under a social sec number belonging to someone else not being used. Fraud is big business in US in any associated govt medicare , medicaid etc big gov brings big fraud

 

[oyarde]

Probably fair to know Im not a real supporter of any immigration. Doesnt seem like a net positive in welfare state US. Six in ten Americans work , two of those pay more tax than rec.. Id support an immigration suspension of some years.

 

[nikcers]

Sending their earnings to another country is a tax?

I would say its the opposite of paying a tax. So its a tax they arent paying.

When a US citizen works and lives in an American city or town they spend their money in their city or town. That money reinvests into the future of that town or city.

When illegal immigrants work in our system they send that money out of our system.

They give it to the people who have a gun to their family's head.

Since the country they live in- other countries are tyrannical and they take out loans from them and they hold their family hostage or sometimes they just find out you are making money in the USA and hold your family hostage.

Thats the whole idea of asylum laws.

That loophole of asylum though brings in millions and millions of people. It taxes our Healthcare and schools and law enforcement. It makes housing unaffordable.

It makes those services worse or unavailable or makes housing unavailable and there are just too many people coming in.

 

[TheCount]

my guess is most are working under a social sec number belonging to someone else not being used.

Which means they're paying payroll taxes.

Fraud is big business in US in any associated govt medicare , medicaid etc big gov brings big fraud

They're not eligible to receive either but they pay in to both. Medicare and medicaid fraud is committed by providers not consumers.

 

[nikcers]

Which means they're paying payroll taxes.


They're not eligible to receive either but they pay in to both. Medicare and medicaid fraud is committed by providers not consumers.

There are more hidden taxes in civilization that arent direct.

They are the taxes paid by our ancestors before us that fought for the rights and democracy and to make our system better.

These taxes don't come out of your paycheck.

They usually come out of you putting your free time in to change the system or overthrow monarchy so there is democracy and preserving that system isn't free.

We invest into preserving it and that investment is the most important tax. The one we fight and die to pay.

They don't pay that tax though they dont have allegiance to our system. They are given it for free and when you are given something for free you dont value it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

my guess is most are working under a social sec number belonging to someone else not being used. Fraud is big business in US in any associated govt medicare , medicaid etc big gov brings big fraud

And they get paid tax credits, if they don't just work for cash under the table.

And using someone else's ID means the other person is being taxed, invaders are not taxed, if any of them do pay it's part of fraud, not taxation.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Which means they're paying payroll taxes.


They're not eligible to receive either but they pay in to both. Medicare and medicaid fraud is committed by providers not consumers.

No, their employers pay those taxes, as part of the fraud of them using the Identity of a citizen who is taxed.

 

[oyarde]

Which means they're paying payroll taxes.


They're not eligible to receive either but they pay in to both. Medicare and medicaid fraud is committed by providers not consum

some probably claim a few dependents and avoid fed , some probably getting tax credits and refunds greater than pd in .

 

[oyarde]

I dont see any of it as good