I don't believe in Jesus Christ

What if it's God's plan for me to be an Atheist? If I started to be Christian would that mean Satan was pushing me against God's plan?

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No! Jesus died so that we may all have the opportunity to go to heaven.
 
John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
 
John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If this is true, than what do we have to worry about? Can we all relax and just enjoy life without worrying about Hell?
 
If this is true, than what do we have to worry about? Can we all relax and just enjoy life without worrying about Hell?

I think the more accurate way to say it is that Jesus died for everyone who believes, but he wants everyone to believe. But Jesus dying on the cross doesn't mean that you'll automatically go to heaven. You have to accept the gift and believe.
 
Well what... Jesus saved us right?

It almost seems to me people like wanting to be saved or rescued. Already being saved is boring in comparison. What that Hell thing? Original Sin? Jesus took care of it.

Some people run with this and try to start Universalism and people get all mad at that message which is to bad. People would rather feel like they're in peril in need of salvation instead of already having it.
 
If this is true, than what do we have to worry about? Can we all relax and just enjoy life without worrying about Hell?
No. Salvation is a lifelong process. It is unfortunate that the false doctrine of certain heretics and modern "fundamentalists" WRT being "born again" and therefore never having to be considerate of anything has been popular for so long that it's just passed into "common knowlege". :/ :(
 
No. Salvation is a lifelong process. It is unfortunate that the false doctrine of certain heretics and modern "fundamentalists" WRT being "born again" and therefore never having to be considerate of anything has been popular for so long that it's just passed into "common knowlege". :/ :(

Justification is a one time event; sanctification is a lifelong process.
 
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Jesus was a fictional character who was symbolically attached to the change of seasons as observed by the Ancients. And there have been many "Jesus" figures throughout the ages that serve to remind civilization of the solar phenomenon. Bada bing. It's just that simple.

People are certainly free to accept and believe what they wish but the facts is the facts is the facts. and the same phenomenon that these ancients observed then still happen today.

Anyone here ever been to a sunrise service during "Easter"? In the spring when the sun officially "comes back to life"?

Here you go. It's the quickest I could do on the fly. A great once over though.





And still today....

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Jeseus was a fictional character who was attached to the change of seasons as observed by the Ancients. And there have been many "Jesus" figures throughout the ages that serve to remind civilization of the solar phenomenon. Bada bing.

Like Zoroaster?
 
What if it's God's plan for me to be an Atheist? If I started to be Christian would that mean Satan was pushing me against God's plan?

No. Nothing ever has happened or ever will happen that differs from God's plan in even the slightest way.
 
Jesus was a fictional character who was symbolically attached to the change of seasons as observed by the Ancients

Here's 1 Corinthians 15:1-11.

Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. 11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

Note that this was written while the eyewitnesses of Jesus still lived, as it says, around AD 50.

This is 1 Corinthians 9:5 from the same book.
Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
And Galatians 1:19 from a book that is very possible from the early 40's, and if not that, then at least not much later than 1 Corinthians.
But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother.

Note that fictional characters don't have brothers who are real live people.
 
Justification is a one time event; sanctification is a lifelong process.

What HB was giving in that quote was the EO view, which does not accept that justification is a one-time event, but rather a life-long process. See, for example, Decree 9 here. See also, here. Note especially the description of it as imparted, rather than imputed, righteousness.

You're right, though, that the apostles taught that it was a one-time event in the New Testament. The EO view is a later innovation. I'm not sure when it was first devised.
 
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Jesus was a fictional character who was symbolically attached to the change of seasons as observed by the Ancients. And there have been many "Jesus" figures throughout the ages that serve to remind civilization of the solar phenomenon. Bada bing. It's just that simple.

People are certainly free to accept and believe what they wish but the facts is the facts is the facts. and the same phenomenon that these ancients observed then still happen today.

Anyone here ever been to a sunrise service during "Easter"? In the spring when the sun officially "comes back to life"?

Here you go. It's the quickest I could do on the fly. A great once over though.
d still today....
Zeitgeist is one of the least credible sources you could possibly cite. Look at the source material the producers used-weak, at best.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist, The Movie- Companion Guide PDF.pdf

Notice he doesn't even bother to consider evidence to the contrary of his claims, such as contemporary historians like Tacitus.
 
Zeitgeist is one of the least credible sources you could possibly cite. Look at the source material the producers used-weak, at best.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/Zeitgeist, The Movie- Companion Guide PDF.pdf

Notice he doesn't even bother to consider evidence to the contrary of his claims, such as contemporary historians like Tacitus.

Well. As I said, it was the quickest thing I could find on the fly. And that particular segment of it is spot on.

If you would like, I suppose that I could gather the data itself. It is, after all, my field.

The cosmos are not "history".
 
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