I don't believe in Jesus Christ

[pcosmar]

Then again, atheists aren't threatening Jesus with eternal damnation and suffering if he doesn't.

Neither is Jesus,,
He is offering Salvation,, (an escape from damnation)

Which you are free to reject,, and enjoy your separation from all that is good.

I believe you have the choice. Spend eternity with the Creator,, or reject the offer and spend eternity separated from the creator.

Simple enough when you peel back all the FUD.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Given that mankind are the so-called children of God, and among His greatest, most cherished creations, it is interesting how one who considers themselves devout, such as yourself, would look down upon mankind with such disdain, especially given that you are included in this mankind you speak down of.

But I suppose you believe yourself apart from these so-called blind, stupid, dumb, ignorant masses, yes? Because in your great wisdom, you've come to adhere to some belief system that makes you somehow superior to the rest. These delusions of grandeur are seen throughout human history, of course, and often lead to some of the worst atrocities the world has ever seen. Not surprisingly, it is those who believe themselves superior to the rest that turn out to be among the most vile and villainous, and as such, capable of more wretchedness than any other.

You confuse humility with disdain, and the rest of your post goes downhill from there.

 

[Terry1]

No, I didn't say that. Romans 1 says God reveals Himself enough so that everyone is WITHOUT EXCUSE, meaning they are all condemned

The evidence isn't there to condemn, the evidence is there to provoke mankind to belief and those that don't believe are then without excuse.

But according to you, what makes a man choose and another reject? Are they smarter? More spiritually sensitive? What is it in a man that causes him to respond?

Once they hear the good news, it either provokes them to belief or they choose to go their own way. Read the parable of the sower. It's all a matter of choice on the part of that person regarding what they value most in their life.

 

[moostraks]

No, I didn't say that. Romans 1 says God reveals Himself enough so that everyone is WITHOUT EXCUSE, meaning they are all condemned.

But according to you, what makes a man choose and another reject? Are they smarter? More spiritually sensitive? What is it in a man that causes him to respond?

I know you weren't asking me but fwiw to those who might be curious for an alternative to your beliefs, some people are more invested in their sinful nature than others. You stand in front of a road and it splits in two paths. One path is self involved and self serving, the other path is selfless.

Matthew 7:13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

The few that find it have found the Creator despite the terminology they use to describe their path. They are the selfless ones.

Romans 1: 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not [n]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

They (we) were (are) condemned because of selfishness and lack of love, a failure of seeing and respecting that which is perfect and without blemish, Love. They speculated about the matter in foolish manner so they could excuse their selfish behavior and became cut off from a true relationship with Love.

 

[Cabal]

You confuse humility with disdain, and the rest of your post goes downhill from there.

I scarcely see how applying labels of "stupid", "blind", "ignorant", and "dumb" to the masses while excluding one's self, and their ilk, from these same critiques qualifies as humility. Perhaps you meant to say hubris? And the rest of my post is merely a cursory observation of human history--many groups who have believed themselves superior, and thus others as inferior, particularly in matters of religion, have committed all manners of atrocities, such as genocide, in the name of their superiority complex, or delusion of grandeur.

 

[Terry1]

I scarcely see how applying labels of "stupid", "blind", "ignorant", and "dumb" to the masses while excluding one's self, and their ilk, from these same critiques qualifies as humility. Perhaps you meant to say hubris? And the rest of my post is merely a cursory observation of human history--many groups who have believed themselves superior, and thus others as inferior, particularly in matters of religion, have committed all manners of atrocities, such as genocide, in the name of their superiority complex, or delusion of grandeur.

You assume too much. I said mankind absent the wisdom of God are dumber than rocks---I stand by that comment too. LOL

Because of the fall of mankind the very rocks cry out and creation moans for them. That's how stupid mankind is without retaining the wisdom and knowledge of God.

 

[Terry1]

Fact is that I don't care if anyone's an atheist, but some of these atheist's are as bad as some of the religious people they hate too. Believe as you wish, live as you please, but allow me to do the very same thing.

If people are too dumb to come to God, then let God sort them out and use them as He sees fit. All we are to do as Christians is sow seeds. If all atheists want to do is eat them and then flush them, it's their choice which has it's own reward just the same. I respect their choice, although IMO, it's a really ignorant one---still it's your life---it's your eternal destiny involved here and not mine. I've done what God wanted me to do and that's where my work begins and ends. It's not my job or calling to convince anyone that God exists. God is very capable of that all by Himself.

 

[Terry1]

Look at it from the perspective of God if you can. So mankind can build things from the elements of the earth that allow him to search for deeper hidden things within things. Mankind can build their little telescopes and space ships that can fly to a nearby planet and they think that by using all of these elements created by God Himself that they've really accomplished something great and wonderful. (I'm laughing here as I'm typing this). This is how stupid mankind is absent the wisdom and knowledge of God. What mankind has managed to do with Gods creation couldn't fill a thimble compared to what God has already done, created and will continue to do.

Yes---mankind is beyond stupid without the wisdom of God---read the Book of Solomon---there's nothing new under the sun and everything is vanity and pride absent God.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Actually, not only do they know that a God exists, but they know that THE God exists. Every person knows that Christianity is true. God has revealed just enough of Himself to them that they are now without excuse, and He gave His law to man to further bring out their sinfulness.

I would dispute the bolded point. If I see an unlabeled painting, I know that there was a painter, but I don't necessarily know who it is. Do you have any scriptural proof that everyone knows Christianity is true?
I don't remember a time when I ever disbelieved in God, but since you don't believe Arminianism is Christianity I can use myself as an example. When I first "prayed to accept Jesus" at seven years old, I had no idea that Christ died only for the elect or that I was chosen.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I would dispute the bolded point. If I see an unlabeled painting, I know that there was a painter, but I don't necessarily know who it is. Do you have any scriptural proof that everyone knows Christianity is true?
I don't remember a time when I ever disbelieved in God, but since you don't believe Arminianism is Christianity I can use myself as an example. When I first "prayed to accept Jesus" at seven years old, I had no idea that Christ died only for the elect or that I was chosen.

I'm not saying that everyone is a believer in Jesus or anything like that. I'm saying that every man knows in his heart that Jesus is the God of this universe. They supress this truth in every way they can.

Romans 1:18-21 NIV

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'm not saying that everyone is a believer in Jesus or anything like that. I'm saying that every man knows in his heart that Jesus is the God of this universe. They supress this truth in every way they can.

Yeah, that only says that they know a God of eternal power and divine nature created the universe. It doesn't say anything about everyone knowing Jesus is the God of the universe.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Yeah, that only says that they know a God of eternal power and divine nature created the universe. It doesn't say anything about everyone knowing Jesus is the God of the universe.

What God is there other than Jesus?

 

[VIDEODROME]

Look at it from the perspective of God if you can. So mankind can build things from the elements of the earth that allow him to search for deeper hidden things within things. Mankind can build their little telescopes and space ships that can fly to a nearby planet and they think that by using all of these elements created by God Himself that they've really accomplished something great and wonderful. (I'm laughing here as I'm typing this). This is how stupid mankind is absent the wisdom and knowledge of God. What mankind has managed to do with Gods creation couldn't fill a thimble compared to what God has already done, created and will continue to do.

Yes---mankind is beyond stupid without the wisdom of God---read the Book of Solomon---there's nothing new under the sun and everything is vanity and pride absent God.

Some statements like this make it sound like God is just a prankster God. He likes us only as much as a human likes their cat when's it's chasing after their laser pointer. Or even a person who shakes an Ant Farm. "Uh Oh! Lookout earthquake!"

 

[VIDEODROME]

What God is there other than Jesus?

Ask a Hindu I guess.

 

[Terry1]

Ask a Hindu I guess.

I know some wonderful Hindu's. Very peaceful, loving people.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

What God is there other than Jesus?

All 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are equally God.

 

[Christian Liberty]

What God is there other than Jesus?

All 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are equally God.

Well, there's that, but I don't think that's SF's point. I think that creation itself shows us that God exists. But you can't know the gospel without the Bible. We don't know the gospel from nature.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Ask a Hindu I guess.

Those are idols that cannot save. Jesus saves His people.

 

[Sola_Fide]

All 3 persons of the Holy Trinity are equally God.

Yes. It's better technically to say that all 3 Persons share equally in the divine nature. If you say it like that, you avoid the charge of tri-theism.

 

[VIDEODROME]

orly?

How about Unitarianism?