moostraks
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So you think you can make the Faith exclusionary based upon this?
I don't believe in Jesus Christ
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So you think you can make the Faith exclusionary based upon this?
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I think I missed your original question..... so forgive me if my answer is not in line with it.
My take on the Sermon on the Mount is that it is beautiful!
It was Jesus telling us that "religion" is not just about our "outer" behavior, but is in essence "an inside job". The verses below are an example of how Jesus is calling us to a higher level of living.. "the inside job":
Matthew 5
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
It is simply my opinion, but I believe (based on personal experience) that the lack of these kinds of teachings, such as The Sermon on the Mount, has a lot to do with the lack of mental and emotional stability that we see so rampant these days. The Sermon on the Mount shows us that we need to control our mental and emotional "faculties" and bring those "wild horses" under control...... and that we are even capable of doing that. When I was growing up, no one taught me that I was capable of doing that. I was on the beginning side of "if you feel it, express it".
The Word saved my life in this area, to be honest. I was a "wild horse" running amuck with no understanding that there was even a need to tame the thought life, and surely did not understand the link that the thought life has upon our actions.
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Yes, it's exclusionary. Not everybody has it.
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So you believe that unless someone agrees with what you believe the proper phraseology is to proclaim their faith then they do not have faith?
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Stop focusing on what man believes and focus on what the apostles believed recorded in the Scriptures.
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No. Where do you get that from this conversation?
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Hey S_F why don't you answer my question I asked you instead of being a bully and telling me what to do?
Aren't you the same person with their nose in everyone else's beliefs and then tell them what they think? I am merely asking a question.
Erowe put a claim out there and I asked if it was based upon that specific Scripture he was excluding others. He never directly answered.
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I am asking you based upon your last response. Was curious.
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ummm.... what were the apostles, aliens?
the Bible ain't the only scripture in town, either.
that's a big part of my point. Do you think Christianity has a lock on God? I don't. Are you going to tell all the believers of all the other faiths on the planet that you are right and they are wrong? That's the arrogance and self-righteousness I was referring to earlier.
The God I believe in is big enough for everybody. I believe those who have God in their heart (as Miss Annie says, God is Love) are all worshiping the same God. The God of Gods. I believe there are lesser gods, but the way I read it Noah and Abraham were worshiping the God of Gods. Good Muslims worship the God of Gods. Good Christians worship the God of Gods. Good Jews worship the God of Gods. That's why all three are called 'the Abrahamic religions' (for those that might not be aware).
Any faith worshiping a God of Love is worshiping the God of Gods, in my humble belief system. They might call Him different names, they might believe He dwelt among us as different deities (because their Bible tells them so) - I don't have a problem with any of that.
How can you tell if they worship a God of Love? By their fruits.
Watch what they do, not what they say.
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moostraks
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I am right there with you on how we should know the faith of others. I can understand why churches would decide to have certain conditions for the members to adhere to for the sake of keeping the peace within the membership and having a common goal from which to work forward with in the future. For someone to claim a faith of love and to spend all one's time humiliating the beliefs of others seems counter productive imo. A belief that has merit will draw others to it, in this case, by the Spirit within the members which is evidenced by their love for even one's enemies.
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Are you not calling those you disagree with wrong in this post and in post 337?
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No, I'm rebuking them
seriously, yes... I'm afraid so. Pot calling kettle black. Sorry about that.
I'll take a lesson from Rand and try to "just answer the questions y'all ask" if any. Or at least avoid being judgemental about it. I got a few +reps on my posts and that almost always causes my head to get bigger, regretfully.
Thanks anyway to those that gave me the reps. I appreciate it.
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No, I'm rebuking them
seriously, yes... I'm afraid so. Pot calling kettle black. Sorry about that.
I'll take a lesson from Rand and try to "just answer the questions y'all ask" if any. Or at least avoid being judgemental about it. I got a few +reps on my posts and that almost always causes my head to get bigger, regretfully.
Thanks anyway to those that gave me the reps. I appreciate it.
No need to apologize. Truth and falsehood really exist. If something is true, then its negation is false. Any time we claim that anything is true we are claiming that something else is false.
This isn't a bad thing. It's just unpopular today.
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I think it is almost impossible to disagree without that being the conclusion but there is a difference between saying I think your position is wrong and I disagree with all the conditions you place on the matter and by saying you don't have a saving faith which most of us here do not presume to do aside from an obnoxious outlier or two when discussing the issues. I pray no one believes I think myself worthy of judging the eternal state of another's soul but I sure do have opinions on the issues. KWIM?
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Jesus did not have a "gospel" until Paul made up all that stuff about him, including "the main reason he came to earth" as you mention above.
Jesus taught:
1. Love God with all your heart
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
2. Love your neighbor as yourself
Paul dreamed up:
1. Jesus is God
2. all that 'trinity' stuff
3. all that 'you must be saved' stuff
2. all that 'trinity' stuff
3. all that 'you must be saved' stuff
Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love, Love
That's what Jesus taught.
By the way, love is not a feeling, it is an action word.
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Paul didn't dream up the Gospel. Paul believed in Jesus very soon after the resurrection happened. And the Gospel he preached was the same one that Jesus's own original disciples had already been preaching before Paul believed it.
This Gospel was originally proclaimed by Jesus himself, as all the Gospels attest. The only way to recreate Jesus in the way that you're trying to do is by deliberately picking through the records we have of his teachings and keeping the parts you like and throwing out the parts you don't.
Paul also enjoined that same command to love and the foremost command, just like Jesus did. That command is a part of the message of Paul and Jesus, but it isn't the whole of it.
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St. Paul became baptized into the Church, shared the common cup of faith, namely the Holy Eucharist, establishing his communion and unity of mind, faith, body, and spirit with the remaining Apostles and the entire Church, and was so loved and highly regarded for his fidelity to the gospel of Christ, that when he reprimanded St. Peter who was in the wrong regarding circumcision, he was backed by the other hierarchs and Apostles. To say that St. Paul taught a different gospel is to ignore the mystical and sacramental unity of faith and worship which defined the Church of the Apostles, of which St. Paul was one of its greatest pillars. It was precisely because he was in such unity of mind and spirit with the testimony of the Church that he became such a luminary as the Apostle to the Gentiles.
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So many people are no longer here.
